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Fatima, Freemasonry, Vatican II and 1960
Consecration Now Conference ^ | May 13, 2011 | John Salza

Posted on 05/22/2013 12:57:42 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

“Freemasonry, Vatican II and 1960”
By John Salza

Consecration Now Conference

Rome, May 13, 2011

There is a body of clear and compelling testimony from the likes of Cardinal Pacelli (future Pope Pius XII), Fr. Fuentes, Fr. Alonso, Fr. Schweigl ,Cardinal Oddi, Cardinal Ciappi, Fr. Malachi Martin, and even Cardinal Ratzinger (the future pope Benedict XVI) that the Third Secret of Fatima, not yet revealed by the Vatican, predicts a spiritual crisis in the bosom of the Church. In this presentation, I am going to elaborate on this theme, by demonstrating that this crisis is nothing less than a world - wide apostasy from the Catholic Faith fueled by the principles of Freemasonry, which would penetrate the Church using an ecumenical council, corrupt the hierarchy, and threaten the gravest spiritual and material chastisements in world history. Note well that the Third Secret does not just announce the crisis; it identifies the causes of the crisis – and the primary cause of the crisis is the doctrinal compromises of the hijackers of Vatican II who sought to give the Church a “new orientation” rather than unequivocally affirming what she is – the Mystical Body of Christ...

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; fatima; freemasonry; freemasons; thirdsecret; vatican2; vaticanii
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I don't buy this John Salza and his argument.

A propos of the subject, but independently, I wrote this today: Was Russia ever consecrated to Mary's Immaculate Heart?

Let's seek first the Kingdom of God and all its righteousness, and everything else will be added onto us.

~Theo

41 posted on 05/23/2013 1:19:42 PM PDT by Teˇfilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Te├│filo
A propos of the subject, but independently, I wrote this today: Was Russia ever consecrated to Mary's Immaculate Heart?

That's one viewpoint. Here's another:

Another Consecration Omits Russia

       While still recovering from wounds inflicted in a failed assassination attempt, Pope John Paul II performed another consecration to the Immaculate Heart in June of 1981. However, the official wording referred to the world, without mentioning Russia specifically, and all the world’s bishops were not asked to participate. This consecration thus failed once again to satisfy Our Lady’s request, even though the Pope credited Our Lady of Fatima with saving him from the assassin’s attack.

Sr. Lucia Speaks Again

       A year later, in May of 1982, the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano published an article about Sr. Lucia by Father Umberto Maria Pasquale, a Salesian priest who had known her since 1939. Fr. Pasquale reported that Sr. Lucia told him emphatically that Our Lady had never asked for the consecration of the world, but only of Russia. He also published a photographic reproduction of a handwritten note to him from Sr. Lucia confirming this point.

The Pope Makes an Admission

       The day after this article appeared, Pope John Paul II visited Fatima, where he again consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. A few days later, in an article in L’Osservatore Romano, the Pope explained why he had failed to mention Russia specifically, saying he had "tried to do everything possible in the concrete circumstances." This was widely interpreted to mean that he could not violate the terms of the Vatican’s continuing policy of appeasing Russia.

Our Lady Still "Awaiting Our Consecration"

       Two years later, this evasive approach was taken again when the Holy Father once more consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in a ceremony before 250,000 people in Rome in March of 1984. But this time, the Pope made his position clearer. In a departure from his prepared text, he asked Our Lady of Fatima to "enlighten especially the peoples of which You Yourself are awaiting our consecration and confiding." The Pope thus publicly acknowledged that the consecration requested by Our Lady had still not been performed. These words were included in an official report of the event in L’Osservatore Romano on March 26, 1984. A similar report appeared the next day in the Italian bishops’ newspaper Avvenire, describing the Pope praying in St. Peter’s several hours after the consecration ceremony, asking Our Lady to bless "those peoples for whom You Yourself are awaiting our act of consecration and entrusting."

A Fatima Scholar Speaks

       Also in 1984, Father Messias Coelho, a Fatima scholar of many years, publicly insisted that the requested consecration had still not been done. Five years later, Fr. Coelho was to reveal that Vatican officials had issued instructions to Sr. Lucia and others to contradict this statement, and claim the consecration had actually been done.

A Cardinal Agrees With Sr. Lucia

       In September of 1985, in an interview in Sol de Fatima magazine (published by the Blue Army in Spain), Sr. Lucia confirmed that the consecration still had not been done, because the 1984 ceremony did not mention Russia, and the world’s Catholic bishops did not participate. Later in the year, Cardinal Edouard Gagnon acknowledged in another interview that the consecration had still not been done as requested. He later objected to having his remarks published, though he did not deny making them.

Confirmation From a Cousin

       For many years, Sr. Lucia’s cousin, Maria do Fetal, publicly quoted Sr. Lucia as saying the consecration had not been done. Maria do Fetal continued to maintain this position until mid-1989, when she suddenly reversed herself, in accordance with the Vatican "instruction" revealed by Fr. Coelho.

More Confirmation from Cardinals

       In a brief interview outside her convent while voting in an election in the summer of 1987, Sr. Lucia confirmed to journalist Enrico Romero that the consecration had not been done. Her view was confirmed a few months later by Cardinal Paul Augustin Mayer in an audience with a dozen Catholic leaders, among them the Catholic journalist Victor Kulanday, and again by Cardinal Alfons Stickler a month after that. Cardinal Stickler maintained that the Pope had failed to perform the ceremony as requested because he lacked the necessary support from the world’s bishops. "They do not obey him," he explained.

Bishops Raise Voices

       Since the Vatican had ignored petitions with more than three million signatures of lay persons, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, the "Fatima Priest," turned to a much smaller but much more influential group. In 1989, he obtained written confirmation from 350 Catholic bishops of their willingness to perform the requested consecration of Russia specifically. In the same year, petitions bearing another million signatures of the faithful calling for the consecration were also delivered to Rome.

Enforcing the Party Line

       In the summer of 1989 at the Hotel Solar da Marta in Fatima, Sr. Lucia’s longtime friend Fr. Coelho made a surprising disclosure. He told several witnesses that Sr. Lucia and her fellow religious had received instructions from the Vatican to say that the Fatima request had been satisfied by the consecration performed in 1984. In evident obedience, Sr. Lucia’s cousin Maria do Fetal suddenly repudiated her previous statements, and claimed the consecration had been done. This claim flatly contradicted the Pope’s own comments made in his prayers both during and after the 1984 ceremony.

       Maria do Fetal now showed how unreliable she was as a witness when, in obedience to the Party Line, she claimed she "was inventing" when she reported that Sr. Lucia had said the 1984 consecration did not satisfy Our Lady’s request.


42 posted on 05/23/2013 1:53:28 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Te├│filo
I don't buy this John Salza and his argument.

How so?

Other than some over-the-top rhetoric typical of many Fatimists and Lefevrists, I found his central thesis to have a lot of merit.

43 posted on 05/23/2013 2:10:32 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

bumpus ad summum


44 posted on 05/24/2013 7:37:50 AM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Okay, I’ll bite. However, I find the question off topic and do not want to hijack this thread. Is there another thread more congenial to discussing the historicity of Genesis?


45 posted on 05/25/2013 11:39:51 AM PDT by TradicalRC (Conservatism is primarily a Christian movement.)
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