Posted on 05/27/2013 7:43:17 AM PDT by DaveMSmith
The Vatican has just announced that, despite what Pope Francis said in his homily earlier this week, atheists are still going to hell.
What a relief. For a brief moment there it was possible to imagine a brave new world of compassion, generosity and acceptance, not qualities we have come to associate with the Holy See.
Said Pope Francis this week: 'The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!'
That seemed like a pretty clear admission that people of other faiths and none have intrinsic worth to God and will be saved alongside the faithful. But this turned out to be wishful thinking.
Although they are otherwise good, moral people they are still doomed to burn in a lake of fire for having the temerity to have been born outside of Catholicism or having chosen to remain so.
The Rev. Thomas Rosica, a Vatican spokesman, spelled it out for the world on Thursday. People who know about the Catholic church 'cannot be saved' if they 'refuse to enter her or remain in her,' he said.
So that's one tall order of eternal hellfire for the rest of us, then.
It makes for an interesting spectacle to see the infallible pope being corrected by his handlers, doesn't it? For a moment it was possible to recall the welcoming and indulgent style of the short lived Pope John Paul I in the unexpectedly all-embracing words of Pope Francis. But you'll recall how quickly John Paul I was replaced by the much more doctrinaire John Paul II.
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I have yet to meet a genuine atheist. It turns out that every professed atheist I have ever met was just mad at God about one thing or another, so they tried to justify Him out of existence. They tried to deny Him, but when pressed on it, I discovered that this anger remained just below the surface. It’s impossible to be angry at something that does not exist.
I agree with the Pope. If you know about the church but somehow you didn’t really understand, then you can be saved.
Therefore everybody is covered.
“There are people who don’t believe in Hell until they get there.”
>>I have yet to meet a genuine atheist. It turns out that every professed atheist I have ever met was just mad at God about one thing or another, so they tried to justify Him out of existence. They tried to deny Him, but when pressed on it, I discovered that this anger remained just below the surface. It’s impossible to be angry at something that does not exist.
I’ve noticed that too.
I’m not catholic, use to be, but I really like this pope!
So now spokesmen speak infallibly?
“He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he who does not believe will be damned,” Jesus declares in Mark 16:16.
The pope cannot change the teachings of Jesus to fit the wishful thinking of the times.
No, it doesn’t work that way at all. The Pope is 100% wrong. There would be no need for Christ in your “universal salvation” scenario.
Not even the Catholic church claims that everything the pope says is infallible.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, I write this to you, so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Intercessor with the Father, Yeshua Messiah, a righteous One. 2 And He Himself is an atoning offering for our sins, and not for ours only but also for all the world.
Jn 3:16 For God so loved "the world"
>>I agree with the Pope. If you know about the church but somehow you didn’t really understand, then you can be saved. Therefore everybody is covered.
Everyone is covered (i.e. there are no “ethic” or “national” Christians), but not everyone is saved. Jesus died for the redemption of the world, but each person has to proclaim that he accepts Christ as his savior.
Otherwise, you are in the Law and will be judged according to the Law. Good luck atheists with that First Commandment.
There is a difference between “redemption” and “salvation”. Think collectively and individually. Everyone is redeemed but it’s up to the individual to be saved.
Exactly! All are saved, but you have to accept your salvation for it to have any effect on your life and after life.
The pope’s infallible statement is no longer operable.
You may want to read the Bible... That is not at all what the word of God says.
The word tells us that there are many people who are like dust in the wind, and they will die and not be remembered, like dry grass.
They will perish and be nothing. That is the truth.
Of course it is easier to give in to sin, and pretend that we don’t know better, and then use the loophole that everyone is saved anyway. So why bother?
If everyone is covered with a loop hole, then why did Jesus tells us to be perfect, to shed our sin and follow him, and to be examples so we can lead others?
Uh oh. Now you've done it.
For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
Romans 8:18-22
How so many conveniently forget it is not automatic.
John, 14:6.
“Jesus said unto him, “I am that Way, and that Truth, and that Life. No man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
1599 Geneva Bible
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
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