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The Presbyterian Church Adrift?
Christian Post ^ | 27 May 2013 | Rod Anderson

Posted on 05/28/2013 11:02:30 AM PDT by Cronos

One of the largest Presbyterian Church (USA) congregations in the United States is presently weighing the possibility of leaving the denomination due to theological differences.

First Presbyterian Church of Houston, founded in the early nineteenth century and with an estimated 3,600 members, voted earlier this year to enter a discernment process over the possibility of seeking dismissal.

James T. Birchfield, senior pastor at First Presbyterian Church, told The Christian Post that the congregation wants to consider where they stand in relation to the views of PC(USA).

"Our congregation is attempting to discern the best place – the best denominational relationship – that will allow us to fulfill our mission statement, which is to 'carry the gospel to Houston and the world'," said Birchfield.

"The issues that prompted our season of discernment include a sense that the PC (USA) may be drifting theologically – especially around issues having to do with the authority of Scripture and the nature and work of Jesus Christ – and that it has drifted away from its historical mission of evangelism and church planting."

Birchfield also told CP that First Presbyterian Church was only recently beginning the process of discernment and that it would not be a quick decision.

(Excerpt) Read more at christianpost.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: pcusa; religiousleft; schism

1 posted on 05/28/2013 11:02:30 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos
FWIW, PC(USA) had their national convention here in Pittsburgh a year or two ago. They came very close to voting themselves into irrelevancy by sanctioning homo marriage.
2 posted on 05/28/2013 11:06:30 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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James T. Birchfield, senior pastor at First Presbyterian Church, told The Christian Post that the congregation wants to consider where they stand in relation to the views of PC(USA)...."The issues that prompted our season of discernment include a sense that the PC (USA) may be drifting theologically – especially around issues having to do with the authority of Scripture and the nature and work of Jesus Christ – and that it has drifted away from its historical mission of evangelism and church planting."

Ping for later

3 posted on 05/28/2013 11:10:00 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Cronos

Most decisions in life are pretty easy. This is one of them.


4 posted on 05/28/2013 11:12:09 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan
Most decisions in life are pretty easy. This is one of them.

The decision may be easy. Executing the decision won't be.

The PC/USA has a by-law clause that pretty much requires forfeiture of all property for congregations that leave the denomination. Legal challenges have been successfully conducted, but not always. This might be a very interesting case on multiple levels. It could lead to the bursting of the dam.

5 posted on 05/28/2013 11:19:44 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Cronos

Was Dr. D. James Kennedy a member of this Presby church group? For some reason I would think not.


6 posted on 05/28/2013 11:21:03 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Most decisions in life are pretty easy. This is one of them.

Hah! No kidding. It was probably an easy decision 20+ years ago.
Join the PCA, or Orthodox Presbyterian, or better yet - the Free Presbyterian, churches if you want to remain in a Presbyterian denomination, but by all means - depart from that apostate edifice called the PC-USA.

7 posted on 05/28/2013 11:21:57 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Cronos

get out get out get out
affiliate with a church that remains Christian, or else
go free
but
get out get out get out

“Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good morals.”
1 Cor. 15:33


8 posted on 05/28/2013 11:24:46 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: Jack Hydrazine
"Was Dr. D. James Kennedy a member of this Presby church group? For some reason I would think not."

Your instinct is correct. Dr. Kennedy was PCA not PCUSA.

9 posted on 05/28/2013 11:35:26 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Was Dr. D. James Kennedy a member of this Presby church group? For some reason I would think not.

Kennedy, who died in 2007, was a minister in the Presbyterian Church in America aka PCA, not the PC(USA). His church, Coral Ridge Presbyterian, still belongs to that denomination.

10 posted on 05/28/2013 11:38:26 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: circlecity

PCA is Presbyterian Churches of America?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_in_America


11 posted on 05/28/2013 11:40:23 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
"PCA is Presbyterian Churches of America?"

Yes, although I believe it is the singular "Church" rather than "Churches".

12 posted on 05/28/2013 11:43:05 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Jack Hydrazine
...Presbyterian Church "in" America, but yeah - that's us. pcanet.org.
13 posted on 05/28/2013 11:51:30 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Cronos
Yes!

My thread from last month. The issue is still very much unresolved.

PC(USA) Extorting Money from Local Churches

14 posted on 05/28/2013 11:51:38 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Vigilanteman

My wife and I went through the same thing while in the Episcopal Church.

They voted to ordain an openly homosexual bishop that left his wife and children for his lover.

Vicki Gene Robinson. We were floored that the church could sink to this level. Left and never looked back.


15 posted on 05/28/2013 12:01:28 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

Come join us Roman Catholics. We can use all the good conservatives we can get!


16 posted on 05/28/2013 1:09:45 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Cronos

I wish them well—The Episcopal Church spit in my eye decades ago.


17 posted on 05/28/2013 1:19:39 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: alancarp; Alex Murphy
"The Presbytery of New Covenant, the regional body which Frist Presbyterian Church belongs to, allows for a "gracious dismissal" policy. This policy lets a congregation seeking dismissal leave the denomination with minimal disruption to their ministries."

Perhaps they'll be lucky enough to avoid that on top of all the other pain involved in leaving the denomination.

Good for them. I hope the Lord grants them wisdom and discernment.

18 posted on 05/28/2013 1:28:28 PM PDT by Frumanchu (God's justice does not demand second chances)
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To: Frumanchu

That would be helpful - thanks for adding that info. The national body itself has not been nearly as gracious to some others, as I learned about a month ago.


19 posted on 05/28/2013 1:58:58 PM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Cronos

Seems like they should have made this decision years ago. What they should be asking themselves is why didn’t they.


20 posted on 05/28/2013 3:30:47 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Jack Hydrazine

yes,PCA = Presbyterian Church in America. Not to be confused with PCUSA: Presbyterian Church (USA) or EPC: evangelical presbyterian church or CPC: cumberland presbyterian Church of ARPC: associate reformed presbyterian church or OPC: orthodox presbyterian church or ECOP: Evangelical Covenant Order of Presbyterians or RPCNA: Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America or CPCA: Cumberland Presbyterian Church in America or BPC: Bible Presbyterian Church or EAPC: Evangelical Assembly of Presbyterian Churches in America or APC: American Presbyterian Church or CRPC: Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church or FPC: Free Presbyterian Church or PRC: Presbyterian Reformed Church or RPC: Reformed Presbyterian Church or RPCUS: Reformed Presbyterian Church in the US or RPCGA: Reformed Presbyterian Church General Assembly or WPCUS: Westminster Prebyterian Church.....


21 posted on 05/28/2013 9:43:56 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: servantboy777
The problem with the ECUSA started in the 1930s -- and that's a lesson for everyone -- with the resolution to accept divorce. Then abortion, women priestesses, gay priests etc.

The right way is that of the Orthodox -- when something has been shown to be good, cling to it...

22 posted on 05/28/2013 9:46:29 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: HarleyD
Salami tactics -- the liberals use them. They just push one step at a time and we accept this one step, then another step and soon it's a mad rush to oblivion

the first step sounds so reasonable ("allow no-fault divorce" or "contraceptives -- what's wrong?"), when that is accepted, the next sounds equally reasonable ("why not have divorced pastors") and then the next "why not pastoresses" or "why not celibate gay pastors" until you have a full-blown ECUSA..

23 posted on 05/28/2013 9:49:08 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos
And then there's John Shelby Spong, former Episcopal Bishop Spong = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shelby_Spong

THE quintessential anti-trinitarian.

24 posted on 05/28/2013 11:07:49 PM PDT by Yekaterina Derevko (The truth is, all might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they ought.)
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