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The Mathematical Proof for Christianity Is Irrefutable
Christian Post ^ | 05/29/2013 | Dan Delzell

Posted on 05/29/2013 2:02:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

It is impossible that Christianity is not God's revelation of truth to man. Simply impossible. The math proves it beyond question. It doesn't take faith to believe that one plus one equals two, and it doesn't take faith to identify the religion which has mathematical certainty in its corner.

God didn't have to give us mathematical proof of His existence, but He did it anyway. God didn't have to give us proof of Christianity, but He chose to do so. And God didn't have to give us proof of His love for us, but that is exactly what He did. The proof is irrefutable.

I live in Nebraska where I serve as a pastor. Imagine someone covering this entire state in silver dollars 6 feet deep. Then mark one coin and bury it anywhere across the state. Next, blindfold a man and have him choose one coin. The odds that he would choose the marked coin are the same odds of getting 8 prophecies all fulfilled in one man. God gave us about 300 fulfilled prophecies in the Person of Jesus Christ.

Here are 8 of those 300 prophecies:

(1) The Messiah will be born in Bethlehem. (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-6) (2) The Messiah will be a descendant of Jacob. (Numbers 24:17; Matthew 1:2) (3) The Messiah will enter Jerusalem as a king riding on a donkey. (Zechariah 9:9; Mark 11:4-11) (4) The Messiah will be betrayed by a friend. (Psalm 41:9; Luke 22:47,48) (5) The Messiah's betrayal money will be used to purchase a potter's field. (Zechariah 11:13; Matthew 27:9,10) (6) The Messiah will be spat upon and struck. (Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 26:67) (7) The Messiah's hands and feet will be pierced. (Psalm 22:16; John 20:25-27) (8) Soldiers will gamble for the Messiah's garments. (Psalm 22:18; Luke 23:34)

There is no way one man could have fulfilled all 8 of these prophecies unless God was making it happen. Who else controls history? Who else could give us such irrefutable proof for Christianity? The odds are one in one hundred quadrillion, or 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000.

This mathematical proof was calculated by Professor Peter Stoner. He was chairman of the mathematics and astronomy departments at Pasadena City College until 1953. He then went to Westmont College in Santa Barbara, California, where he served as chairman of the science division.

You don't have to be a mathematics professor to see that this evidence is irrefutable. No one would pick the marked coin under those conditions. No one but God could have given us these biblical prophecies, and then brought them to fulfillment right before our eyes. It is impossible that Christianity is false. The math proves it, and the Man behind the math rose from the dead, just as it had been foretold.

It doesn't take faith to see how the Bible could only have come from God. It does take faith, however, to accept Jesus as your Savior and to believe in God's promise of eternal life. God has done everything to make this way open to you. If you choose to reject it in spite of the overwhelming evidence and in spite of God's love for you, you will be walking away from an open door to paradise.

Some people won't accept proof for the Bible even when it is irrefutable. Man, by nature, is not very good at accepting the evidence which God has laid out for us. The bias against God and against the supernatural is so strong that even irrefutable evidence is viewed with suspicion and doubt.

Never mind the fact that the prophecy about Christ's crucifixion was given hundreds of years before that type of execution was being used. And who but God could have identified Bethlehem 700 years before Christ was born? You really have to have a closed mind to miss the supernatural quality of the Bible, especially when you really start to dig into it. The historical and mathematical conclusions all point to God's plan of salvation through His Son.

Here is an idea. Try looking at this mathematical proof as if you didn't have any bias against God and against the supernatural, and see how that approach works for you. The end result of your honest evaluation may shock you, and then it will change you from the inside out. That is what happens whenever man embraces the truth as revealed to us in Scripture.

One plus one equals two. Old Testament history plus New Testament fulfillment equals irrefutable proof. This is why Christianity is not a "blind faith." It is a faith built on immovable facts. Are you ready to have that firm foundation in your life? Or do you plan to finish out your time here on this planet with nothing more than an unreasonable bias against God?

No one ever said man is going to always be reasonable. That's the tragic thing about the human soul ever since sin entered the world. There are some biases which go even deeper than common sense and mathematical certainty. That's what our sin does to us, and this is why you and I need the Messiah. We need Jesus because we are sinners. We have broken God's law. And God has been gracious enough not only to give us His only Son, but even to give us conclusive proof for Christianity.

So it's no surprise to find that every other belief system and every other religion lacks even a hint of mathematical evidence, let alone irrefutable proof. The followers of those religions are no less sincere, but the foundation for their faith is not based on irrefutable evidence. Where is your faith based today? Do you have a bias against God which is keeping you from considering the mathematical certainty which supports Christianity?

If so, God still loves you, and there is still hope. Many former unbelievers who are now Christians know just what you are going through. This is a critical time for you to consider your sin against God, and your need for His forgiveness.

But don't take my word for it. Instead, accept the irrefutable proof which our Creator has kindly given us in the Old and New Testaments. He loves you far more than you can fathom. He proved it at the cross, and through the fulfilled prophecies. You would have to be blind to miss it.

Dan Delzell is the pastor of Wellspring Lutheran Church in Papillion, Neb. He is a regular contributor to The Christian Post.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; History; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: christianity; fanatic; mathematics; prophecy
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1 posted on 05/29/2013 2:02:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
So he's saying that faith is unnecessary and useless, then.

It's all just math.

2 posted on 05/29/2013 2:09:29 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

I think he’s saying that there are GOOD REASONS for faith, not that faith is unnecessary.


3 posted on 05/29/2013 2:10:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If an atheist wants to tackle the mental issues...
tell me this, why cannot anyone imagine the concept of nothing..picture nothing, a black void is something..the reason nothing cannot be imagined is because God has always been..


4 posted on 05/29/2013 2:17:04 PM PDT by aces
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To: SeekAndFind

Lots of words about math and not much math. I’m guessing this guy flunked algebra in school because he never showed his work nor his proof.


5 posted on 05/29/2013 2:18:55 PM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: SeekAndFind

in the 60’s there was a convention of scientists in chicago where it was determined scientifically and mathematically that evolution was impiossible- these were not ‘Christian scientists’ these were the top scientists of their time- Of course sicne hten htey’ve been ridiculed, ostracised, and mostl ikely harrassed for buckign hte faith of eviolution- but recent scientists liek Demski have also concluded that mathematically, evoltuion is impossible, and not just by a little bit- but rather by such a large margin that there is no possible way it coudl have happened (and demski coems to htese conclusions DESPITE beleiving that evolution is how we came to be... unless he’s changed his mind recently- but liek ehe- I think he still beleives we evovled despite hte evidnece agaisnt it)


6 posted on 05/29/2013 2:18:59 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: SeekAndFind
I didn't know we needed mathematical proof of Christianity. Just look at all the churches and religious folk.

Proof of the gospel of the grace of Jesus Christ? That's what people need to be shown.

7 posted on 05/29/2013 2:21:24 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: CottShop

Do you have a link with more information about the convention? It sounds really interesting!


8 posted on 05/29/2013 2:22:12 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: SeekAndFind
Here are 8 of those 300 prophecies:

Amen on all 300! I find these fascinating, some 600 years before Christ was born, yet he is the speaker in these Zechariah passages:

I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price...So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver, 11:12. Thirty pieces of silver, exactly Judas' "price," Matt. 26:14, 15.

And they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, 12:10. "Me" he said, they shall look upon "me," and who was it that was pierced but Jesus Christ? John 19:34 quotes this passage as a prophecy of Christ's crucifixion.

And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends, 13:6.

Amazing, simply amazing. Proof positive for Christianity.

10 posted on 05/29/2013 2:29:19 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: SeekAndFind

I find this to be a very good argument.

Atheists however, would try to debunk it by pointing out that the person of Jesus would know these prophecies, and some could be fulfilled by him through conscious action (riding the donkey).
They would also dispute that many of these events, such as the purchase of the Potter’s field, are only confirmed by the Bible itself, therefore it cannot be trusted.

In short, atheists and others will assert that Jesus would have actively tried to fulfill prophecies, and any he didn’t fulfill, could have been embellished by the disciples.

I would say the best argument for Christ is the resurrection. The phenomena of the empty tomb, from all of the background facts we can ascertain from the information we do have, is very hard to explain. If I’m not mistaken, most historians have concluded there was indeed an empty tomb, and they have no explanation as to why that was.

If we can prove that the resurrection was probable, everything else simply falls into place, since Jesus’ claims would have been vindicated.

Personally, the Shroud of Turin has always been my favorite piece of evidence. Scientists are still scratching their head with that one.


11 posted on 05/29/2013 2:30:16 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: sasportas

Can you or somebody tell me why the Jews are not convinced that Jesus fulfills these prophecies?

What are their alternative explanations?


12 posted on 05/29/2013 2:31:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There must be a definition of the word “mathematical” that I am not familiar with.


13 posted on 05/29/2013 2:31:11 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: CottShop

I believe in elements of evolution, but you’re 100% right. Evolution is so mathematically improbable, I heard one person describe the situation as follows.

Even if EVERY planet in the universe was covered with “primordial soup”, it would require impossible variable alignments for life to occur anywhere.

This feeds in to the “fine-tuning” argument, that says that it is impossible this happened by chance, pointing to a conscious, designing mind.


14 posted on 05/29/2013 2:33:35 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: SeekAndFind

I would guess their aversion to Christ comes from the deep-seated Jewish belief that the messiah would be a warrior king who would destroy Israel’s enemies. For the messiah to end up murdered and humiliated by his own people, this just does not make sense to them.

Then again, I would recommend you ask a rabbi.


15 posted on 05/29/2013 2:35:30 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: SeekAndFind

evoltuionists liek to say that ‘even if hte number is very small (severely understatign how small then umber actually is), then it ‘coudl have happened’ however, the event of one protein happenign by chance is so small it is not even a possibility, but let’;s say it did happen somehow- we then have hte problem that 2,000,000 morew impossible events owuld have had to occure as well in order forl ife to be a viable reality

[[the mathematical probability that a human protein could accidentally arise from random combinations of those 20 possible amino acids into a specific human protein is 1 chance in 20 to the 100th power, or well beyond 1 in 10 to the 100th power.

Carl Sagan estimated this probability to be approximately 1 in 10 to the 130th power (Carl Sagan, Encyclopaedia Britannica).

So, since Borel’s Law indicates that it’s ridiculous to consider probabilities with odds of less than 1 in 10 to the 50th power, that what does that tell us about whether or not a protein could “create itself” accidentally?]]

http://www.religiouslyincorrect.com/Articles/ChemicalEvolution5.shtml

[[1 chance in 10 to the 2,000,000,000 power is so absurdly unlikely that it’s trillions upon trillions of times less likely than science’s definition of “mathematical impossibility.”]]

of coursem sot iwll simply dismiss all this based o nthe fact that it was posted on a ‘religious’ site- however, these numbers were used durign hte cofnerencei n chicago back i nthe 60’s as well, and demski has also come up with much of hte same- but none of htis matters because Chirstians are ‘ignorant of science’ and therefore aren’t capable of understanding thta nature is so brilliant and supernatural that it coudl do the impossible


16 posted on 05/29/2013 2:36:19 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

You really need a new keyboard.


17 posted on 05/29/2013 2:39:11 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: Viennacon

[[I believe in elements of evolution]]

Micro evoltuion, or rather adaptaTION is a biologically proven fact- however, mega-evolution- or rather evoltuion as described by Darwin, is not possible-

[[This feeds in to the “fine-tuning” argument, that says that it is impossible this happened by chance, pointing to a conscious, designing mind.]]

Last i heard peopell ike demski beleive Nature is that ‘mind’ which created and directed INFORMATION- Yet I’m not sure how he beleives nature is a conscious calculating ‘force’ capable of irreducibly complex arrangements- but whatever, He’s close ot hte truth, he just unfortunately misses the whole truth by 10 to the 2,000,000th power


18 posted on 05/29/2013 2:40:51 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Testimony of Science
19 posted on 05/29/2013 2:41:03 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I’m looking ofr it now- but also check out Demski’s site (just be aware that he is rabidly attacked by diehard evoltuionists for his mathematical conclusions-) I think his full name is bill demski if I remember right


20 posted on 05/29/2013 2:42:50 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Viennacon

RE: I would guess their aversion to Christ comes from the deep-seated Jewish belief that the messiah would be a warrior king who would destroy Israel’s enemies.

So, how do they interpret Isaiah 53 - THE SUFFERING SERVANT?


21 posted on 05/29/2013 2:43:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Viennacon

The willingness of Jesus’ apostles to die horrible deaths rather than recant their faith, and their witnessing of Jesus after His resurrection is extremely probative of Christ’s resurrection for me. If He were not raised, Christianity fails. The apostles’ deaths, for me, is proof enough.


22 posted on 05/29/2013 2:44:04 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: SeekAndFind

I heard that before a while back - it is not new. But the person did not say faith was not needed. Anyone who says that will be reject whatever else comes out of their mouth.

“Without faith it is impossible to please Mim: for he that comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.”


23 posted on 05/29/2013 2:44:22 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: SeekAndFind

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24 posted on 05/29/2013 2:44:24 PM PDT by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: CottShop

Nature is not a mind. We have absolutely no evidence for this. In fact, this is actually a ridiculous assertion, akin to believing in a literal ‘Mother Nature’.

Besides, if he believes so-called ‘nature’ is a conscious, calculating force.... well, that sounds a whole lot like God to me.


25 posted on 05/29/2013 2:48:56 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: SeekAndFind

I have no idea. I’m not an expert on Judaism, and a Jew I’m sure could give you some answer.


26 posted on 05/29/2013 2:50:08 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: SeekAndFind

He should have stated it as you did then. Tell him you want to proof read his work first, and hopefully he hasn’t taken someone else’s work and made it like it’s his.


27 posted on 05/29/2013 2:50:12 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: SeekAndFind

Jesus says, “If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.”


28 posted on 05/29/2013 2:50:38 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: SeekAndFind

Jews in the time of Christ looked for a military Messiah who would defeat the Romans, Palestine returning to their possession. Israel’s military savior, not a savior who would die for the sins of the world. They saw only one coming of the Messiah. Christians see two, the first one to die for the sins of the world, the second one is the military one Jews look for (Armageddon).


29 posted on 05/29/2013 2:50:59 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I’m gonnah ve to find that late tonight- we’re gettign bad lightiening here- shutting down computer- I did a quick search, but am not findign it- but i have come across it before- so it’s there- somewhere0- just gotta find it


30 posted on 05/29/2013 2:51:42 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: NCLaw441

Another very compelling element.

The very idea of a ‘resurrection’ is patently un-Jewish. The disciples would have little reason to propagate such an outlandish claim if it were not true. If anything, it would have served to alienate potential Jewish converts.


31 posted on 05/29/2013 2:51:46 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: CottShop
Micro evoltuion, or rather adaptaTION is a biologically proven fact- however, mega-evolution- or rather evoltuion as described by Darwin, is not possible-

That's my belief.

32 posted on 05/29/2013 2:52:16 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Viennacon

[[Nature is not a mind.]] I realize that- but peopel liek demski somehow thin kit is- their hypothesis abotu how information arose is bizzare to say the least

[[Besides, if he believes so-called ‘nature’ is a conscious, calculating force.... well, that sounds a whole lot like God to me.]]

That’s why I say he misses them ark by 10 to the 2,000,000th power when the answetr is right htere in front of him


33 posted on 05/29/2013 2:53:52 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

Slow down buddy, your typing is unbelievable tangled up - hard to read...


34 posted on 05/29/2013 2:58:21 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: MeganC

I don’t think he understands statistics and probability.

Basically, if something is possible, no matter how improbable, sooner or later it WILL happen.


35 posted on 05/29/2013 3:03:26 PM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: sasportas

RE: Jews in the time of Christ looked for a military Messiah who would defeat the Romans, Palestine returning to their possession. Israel’s military savior, not a savior who would die for the sins of the world

So, how do the Jews interpret Isaiah 53 - THE SUFFERING SERVANT?


36 posted on 05/29/2013 3:03:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I was mistaken, it was in philidelphia, not chicago- here’s a blurb from pathlights site

[[*Murray Eden showed that it would be impossible for even a single ordered pair of genes to be produced by DNA mutations in the bacteria, E. coli,—with 5 billion years in which to produce it! His estimate was based on 5 trillion tons of the bacteria covering the planet to a depth of nearly an inch during that 5 billion years. He then explained that the genes of E. coli contain over a trillion (1012) bits of data. That is the number 10 followed by 12 zeros. *Eden then showed the mathematical impossibility of protein forming by chance. He also reported on his extensive investigations into genetic data on hemoglobin (red blood cells). ]]

[[A number of mathematicians, familiar with the biological problems, spoke at that 1966 Wistar Institute. They clearly refuted neo-Darwinianism in several areas, and showed that its “fitness” and “adaptation” theories were tautologous—little more than circular reasoning. In contrast, some of the biologists who spoke at the convention could not see the light. They understood bugs and turtles, but could grasp neither the mathematical impossibilities of evolutionary theory nor the broad picture of how thoroughly defunct evolution really is.]]

http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Encyclopedia/20hist12.htm

The consensus of them eetign was that evoltuion was not mathematically possible- not any part of it-


37 posted on 05/29/2013 3:05:18 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Ron C.

Evolution was guided by the hand of God and he shaped the earth and heavens to satisfy the curiosity of the man and woman he created. We are blessed to have all the things that he has created..to study, wonder at and preserve.


38 posted on 05/29/2013 3:05:21 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Ron C.

[[Slow down buddy, your typing is unbelievable tangled up - hard to read...]]

sorry- my usually horrible typing is much worse today as I’m rushign tryign ot get off the net before lightening hits-


39 posted on 05/29/2013 3:07:02 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Viennacon
And when Jesus arose - He only went to those who believed in Him. Of course, doubting Thomas needed a little show and tell first to receive the GOOD NEWS.

Unlike me - I'd be in the face of those who killed me and say 'and that's your best shot? I'm here to tell you, it didn't work and leave them trembling'.

I have alot work to be more like Jesus - on my way but haven't arrived!

40 posted on 05/29/2013 3:07:16 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: SeekAndFind

Typically they apply Isa. 53 to themselves (Hitler’s holocaust, etc.).


41 posted on 05/29/2013 3:10:48 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: aces
YOU may not be able to imagine nothing, and I might have trouble with the concept, but there are many mathematicians and astrophysicists who have done so, and have worked out the equations and the predictions from the implications.
42 posted on 05/29/2013 3:13:25 PM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I doubt that it is the keyboard.

I also constantly keep flipping letters into the reverse order In my own case, I attribute it to ‘Muscle memory’ developed through years of playing various musical instruments, memorizing passages (key strokes/valves) and perfecting them through repetition.

As a result of the years of practice and memorization, some fingers respond to the instructions to ‘push’ on the keys in a set sequence which is different to what a keyboard requires.


43 posted on 05/29/2013 3:30:20 PM PDT by dglang
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To: NCLaw441
The willingness of Jesus’ apostles to die horrible deaths rather than recant their faith, and their witnessing of Jesus after His resurrection is extremely probative of Christ’s resurrection for me. If He were not raised, Christianity fails. The apostles’ deaths, for me, is proof enough.

BINGO!

Look at the followers of false religions (e.g., Muhammed.) They cashed in. Gold, silver, and sex, like an all-you-can-eat buffet, get it while you have the power and influence. So predictable.

Now, contrast that with the Apostles. They travelled the breadth of the Mediterranean, KNOWING the penalty under Roman law for proclaiming Christ, KNOWING the penalty under Jewish law for proclaiming Christ.

They didn't have to leave home, turn their backs on everything, and later, each one (save one) die horribly as they did.

Note also that they eschewed wealth, power, and all the hot chicks that undoubtedly they would have had access to. They were about something bigger, and that was spreading the news that the Kingdom was at hand.

I agree with you--that's powerful evidence.

Sauron

44 posted on 05/29/2013 3:38:05 PM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not Jewish, but I’ll take a wild guess.

Maybe they figure it wouldn’t be hard for someone who wants to believe they’ve found the messiah to write that messiah’s life story such that it fulfills all those earlier prophecies.


45 posted on 05/29/2013 3:40:41 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: dglang

Possibly.

Or he might need a new keyboard. Looks like the space bar is sticky.


46 posted on 05/29/2013 3:44:55 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: Prov1322

You’ll like this one.


47 posted on 05/29/2013 3:47:25 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: wideawake

I think he’s saying that there is a mathematical structure beneath the rest of the story; rather like the steel beams that hold up a building against gravity. Those beams aren’t the whole building or the thing people see when they look at the building or use many of its facilities.


48 posted on 05/29/2013 3:49:19 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: SeekAndFind

I live by Christian principles, imperfectly like all of us who follow the path.

This self-reverential silliness is an embarrassment.

But it is typical of what happens when men place themselves between Christians and Christ.

No intermediary between a soul and Christ is required.

Besides, I was told there would be no math.


49 posted on 05/29/2013 3:51:21 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Besides, I was told there would be no math.

That's awesome! LOL!

What a fascinating thread, particularly the revelations by those who profess to follow the path as well, of those proofs which underpin their faith. Good stuff.

//RedPlum Sends

50 posted on 05/29/2013 4:06:26 PM PDT by Redplum
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