Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Why America Will Fall
http://catholicknight.blogspot.com ^ | September 6, 2012 | The Catholic Knight

Posted on 05/31/2013 4:24:04 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

"Michael Voris once again hits the nail on the head with this above video. The problem with America, the problem that will soon be its demise, is that it was founded on religious pluralism. That works up to a point, but once that point is reached, it starts to implode on itself.

That's because the inclination of human beings is to eventually take an argument to its final and most natural conclusion. For most people, this happens subconsciously. Their attitudes simply change over time, and more often than not, they are at a loss to explain why. For those of us who think for a living, contemplate and ponder, the reason is plain to see. When you accept the notion that religion really doesn't matter when it comes to important things in life (like who your leaders shall be for example), then it's just a small leap to the mindset that religion really doesn't matter in your own life either."

(Excerpt) Read more at catholicknight.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; History; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: greatcatholicmonarch; sourcetitlenoturl
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-63 next last

1 posted on 05/31/2013 4:24:04 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

Very valid points - something I always thought of - but accepted that as long as we were Christian - it didn’t matter - but that was erroneous and division will and up to this point, lead to failures...


2 posted on 05/31/2013 4:38:33 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html - A real life experience book about the war in Iraq)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

All Empires fall, even single religion ones.


3 posted on 05/31/2013 4:50:12 AM PDT by Wolfie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet
"When you accept the notion that religion really doesn't matter when it comes to important things in life (like who your leaders shall be for example), then it's just a small leap to the mindset that religion really doesn't matter in your own life either."”

That is a HOME RUN, and exactly why we are in the trouble we are today. All people in Leadership must be held to the highest standards, no excuses.

4 posted on 05/31/2013 4:52:08 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BCW
"The one, holy, catholic and apostolic church under Peter ... " statement, though the rest of the treatise was IMO, just fine .. denied the founder and savior of mankind, Jesus.

Many protestant (if not ALL the recognized 'protestant' denominations) too claim only ONE savior and salvation ... by grace through faith .. and that not of (ourselves) .. it is the gift of God.

Otherwise, a very succinct power point presentation.


Thanx, BCW

5 posted on 05/31/2013 4:53:04 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

Great item. But curious about one thing: why publish a blog post about an Internet video published 9 months ago? Not exactly current...


6 posted on 05/31/2013 4:59:57 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BCW
To address the article title, of course America or at least the American Republic and our present global economic empire and Pax Americana will eventually fall. To deny that possibility is to deny every lesson of human history. The question is will it fall in a thousand years or the next few.

Religious pluralism is a foundation stone of the Republic. But it still requires a common adherence to certain principles. Among these are respect for the conscience of each citizen and the choices he or she makes as to the form of worship or lack thereof and that the exercise of those choices does not impede or infringe on others' identical rights. For the most part Catholics, Jews, Protestants of every stripe, and the odd Bahai and Buddhist have been able to thrive together under the umbrella of the Constitution and our common ingrained sense of fairness.

But the twin viruses of Marxism and Islam, neither of which brooks competition, are attacking that compact and we don't know yet if the patent will survive.

7 posted on 05/31/2013 5:11:36 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

The problem with America is the American people who are no longer very “American”.


8 posted on 05/31/2013 5:20:55 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: katana
The absolute beauty of FreeRepublic is the thought processes of so many wonderful minds.

Thanx, katana .. I appreciate your comment.

I tend to sometimes think from a shallow trough.

9 posted on 05/31/2013 5:21:16 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Theodore R.

yep


10 posted on 05/31/2013 5:21:41 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I can't prove it, but they're true)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet
"Hits the nail on the head"? This is about the dumbest premise I've ever heard of for an argument about the fall of a nation.

Rome fell, Constantinople fell, what is this guy smoking?

Maybe we've discovered the real video that made the Benghazi radical mooselimbs people riot.........

Meh.

11 posted on 05/31/2013 5:24:35 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet; SeekAndFind; blam; Diogenes; nutmeg; All

” - - - America’s foundation is sand. - - - “

No, the Welfare State that “both” political parties built has been built on sand, the sand of the National Debt.

Currently, the Central, semi-Communist, Federal Government borrows 40 cents on every Federal dollar spent.

Currently, the Federal Welfare State accounts for 40 cents for every Federal dollar spent.

BTW, the baseline support for Obama is always above 40 percent.

Who among us can endure a 40 % loss every year? Oops, I forgot, we already have that rate with the IRS Corporate tax rate.


12 posted on 05/31/2013 5:25:21 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

And yet many empires that had only one religion fell the same way we are.

Untiy of belief has some benefits, but also creates issues.


13 posted on 05/31/2013 5:26:47 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

Rick Joyner, prophetic dream, warning to America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4cjYvDkbHs


14 posted on 05/31/2013 5:32:46 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

“...the inclination of human beings is to eventually take an argument to its final and most natural conclusion”

Let the author be reminded that there is also an inclination of human beings, NOT to take an argument to its final and most natural conclusion.


15 posted on 05/31/2013 5:34:53 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: katana

“But the twin viruses of Marxism and Islam, neither of which brooks competition, are attacking that compact and we don’t know yet if the patent will survive.”

Even those two threats will FALL.


16 posted on 05/31/2013 5:46:21 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

America was founded on the ideas of individual liberty, limited government and private property rights. It is falling because it has abandoned those principles totally. Property rights? That one is gone, gone, gone. Individual liberty is eroding in the name of the good of the people. And limited government is a faint memory. Religious plurality is a consequence of liberty. Soon the only religion left will be statism.


17 posted on 05/31/2013 5:47:24 AM PDT by albionin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

America needs to make things.

Stop buying things from China.

Make things. If we have a problem, it is because we are training another country to replace us.

Buying the stuff they make, while we pay people to sit around and do nothing.

America make things.


18 posted on 05/31/2013 5:49:07 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

The only country or kingdom that lasts forever is not in this world.


19 posted on 05/31/2013 5:50:43 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cringing Negativism Network

Even now China’s economy is begining to slow down. It too was built as a house of cards.


20 posted on 05/31/2013 5:51:31 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl

China is booming.

Unemployment there is our old-style 4% or so.

We have sold out. Bring back American businesses.


21 posted on 05/31/2013 5:53:16 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Cringing Negativism Network

I have been hearing different conflicting stories, slowing down, not slowing down. Give me the facts please and post articles!


22 posted on 05/31/2013 5:59:17 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Cringing Negativism Network

Did some search and there are different answers. Here is an article I did find:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/10044456/China-may-not-overtake-America-this-century-after-all.html


23 posted on 05/31/2013 6:03:36 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Cringing Negativism Network

It may not be booming as you think.

http://business.time.com/2013/04/28/the-real-reason-to-worry-about-china/


24 posted on 05/31/2013 6:05:46 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet; BlueDragon; HarleyD; Gamecock; markomalley
Michael Voris once again hits the nail on the head with this above video. The problem with America, the problem that will soon be its demise, is that it was founded on religious pluralism. That works up to a point, but once that point is reached, it starts to implode on itself.

It's pluralism now, is it? In a 2010 video, Voris claimed America was doomed to fail because it allows stupid people to vote. Voris starts out calling them uninformed, then moves to "societal parasites", and finally calls them a "cancer to be eliminated". What is Voris' prescription for America's ills? Eliminate the cancer, by changing to a "benevolent dictatorship" of Catholics running America. From that video:

There's an inherent problem with democracy. Actually, it's definitional. It's this: everyone gets to vote. That's right, EVERYONE gets to vote. Consider for a moment: the informed get to vote, those who have studied the candidates and issues, and consider the impact not only on themselves but the society at large. But in addition to the informed, the ignorant get to vote as well, those who have studied nothing and don't care about anything except themselves and their own narrow interests....

....societal parasites will cast their votes in such a way that will only hasten the destruction of a nation. It's like a cancer destroying its host. It enjoys ravaging the body, until the body is dead.

The cancer must be eliminated, and the only way to prevent a democracy from committing suicide is to limit the vote to faithful Catholics. Only a true Catholic nation in fact will survive, can survive, because only truly Catholic people will be the ones looking at God & not staring in the mirror. When they cast their their votes, they cast them with an eye to what God desires, not fallen human nature. But as the body politic continues to be ravaged by the cancer of ignorant self-centered voters, it becomes more and more clear that a national euthanasia is occurring.

But in truth, this is really the way the whole idea of democracy is little less than an experiment doomed to failure from the outset. Eventually, the evil in the heart of man overtakes him, when he dismisses God. No, the only way to run a country is by benevolent dictatorship. A Catholic monarch, who protects his people from themselves, and bestows on them what they need, not necessarily what they want, who protects their rights as human beings....

Does anyone else get the idea that Michael Voris wants to hasten the fall of the American Republic?
25 posted on 05/31/2013 6:07:33 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl

Sorry I’m responding to your article, not advancing a political position.

I do however know we need to bring back American manufacturing, and China makes a whole heck of a lot of stuff, which we in America buy.

A lot.

If you choose to enlighten yourself of that, please do so.

There is not a lot of material out there on China. But we run a massive trade deficit with them. Go in any story, and you will find rack after rack, of things every one, which say “made in China”.

Our entire manufacturing base is moving to China. China is now the largest exporter in the world.

Yet nobody wants to talk about that.

Democrats. Republicans.

Nobody.


26 posted on 05/31/2013 6:09:43 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

Old school traditional Catholics often say the only God approved government is a Catholic Monarch.

Of course if you bring up the story of Saul and God’s warning to Israel, you get a blank look...


27 posted on 05/31/2013 6:12:37 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Cringing Negativism Network

You got it. It is the taxes that do the most damage.


28 posted on 05/31/2013 6:13:22 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: redgolum

The only royal king in Israel that God ever approved of, was of David, but remember, he was a man after God’s own heart.


29 posted on 05/31/2013 6:14:43 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Cringing Negativism Network

Taxes, overspending, you name it!


30 posted on 05/31/2013 6:15:50 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

Because of total denial.


31 posted on 05/31/2013 6:16:54 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: redgolum
Of course if you bring up the story of Saul and God’s warning to Israel, you get a blank look...

By all means. (I can think of one former FReeper whose tagline was Texan. Catholic. Monarchist. (or something along those lines)).

But what did Israel have before this monarchy?


32 posted on 05/31/2013 6:28:38 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Theodore R.

Bingo.


33 posted on 05/31/2013 8:32:32 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
It was the Judges, or a more aristocratic ruling.

Power was not united in one man, but spread out.

More similar (in some ways) to how the Holy Roman Empire was supposed to work. One executive head, who was appoint by various semi independent executives. Power was not supposed to be so centralized that one man or group could bend the others to their will, but centralized enough that the common trend of the mob to vote itself bread and circuses was removed.

I miss that Texan guy. He was fun to talk to.

34 posted on 05/31/2013 9:00:08 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl

There were other good kings. Not many though. Most were pretty horrible.


35 posted on 05/31/2013 9:00:49 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: redgolum
It was the Judges, or a more aristocratic ruling.

Who appointed those Judges?

(Also, they were chronological more than parallel).

If you actually read the book of Judges, you might be interested to see how well they worked out.

The people asking for a king was not completely out of the blue.

36 posted on 05/31/2013 9:02:17 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
About three quarters of them ended poorly (I have read, favorite book since I was a teenager. The left handed Benjaminite who killed the fat king is one of my favorite parts).

Case in point, Gideon. He ended very badly, and his songs were worse.

Typically start to the sections were “There was no law, and men did as they saw fit”.

Still, the warning that was given about what a King will do to you was true. Israel had no king, but they held together. When they had a king, the two kingdoms split with in a few generations.

37 posted on 05/31/2013 9:08:13 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: redgolum
Still, the warning that was given about what a King will do to you was true. Israel had no king, but they held together. When they had a king, the two kingdoms split with in a few generations

Got it.

If you have a people (and leadership) who largely live by the teachings of Christ, I figure that it doesn't really matter what form of government you have.

If you have a people (and leadership) who largely ignore the teachings of Christ, I figure that the form of government won't help much.

Sadly, we are in the second scenario right now.

38 posted on 05/31/2013 9:12:10 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

It appears Michael Voris would agree with Pope Pius and syllabus of errors.

I believe this is the same Pope who called protestants, pests and declared himself infallible.


39 posted on 05/31/2013 9:24:45 AM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: markomalley; redgolum

The problem with the judges (who were appointed by God) wasn’t that they worked out poorly. It was that the people couldn’t/wouldn’t remain faithful to following God. Once things got bad enough, they cry out and God would have to rescue them and try to set them right. One would have thought they would have got the message. Instead, they decided that if they had a king they wouldn’t even have to cry out to God. The king would solve their problems.

How typical.


40 posted on 05/31/2013 9:27:50 AM PDT by HarleyD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: markomalley
If men were angles, then no government would be needed.

My view is that if you keep the power separated, and competing, you limit chance for mischief. Once one group gets to much, it will work to destroy the other powers.

The other view is that having a strong central authority makes change easier. There is less people to work through. Both have their merits.

41 posted on 05/31/2013 10:29:09 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: redgolum
"If men were angles..."

Now, don't be obtuse ...

42 posted on 05/31/2013 10:31:56 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("Oh, man, that's a lot of Indians!" [LTC George A. Custer, 1876, near the Little Bighorn Valley])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: BlueLancer
I really, relay, hate the auto correct on my phone. /sarcasm
43 posted on 05/31/2013 10:35:40 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: BlueLancer

Careful now, the reasoning may be equilateral and not right.


44 posted on 05/31/2013 10:36:53 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: BlueLancer

Perhaps he was trying to be acute.
Obviously, if men were angles only the rules of geometry would be needed.


45 posted on 05/31/2013 10:37:38 AM PDT by tony549 (Stuck in SoCal)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Lakeshark
...what is this guy smoking?

I'm pretty sure that Voris was one of the Catholic monarchist FReepers that got the ZOT. His crackpot disciples live on. Definitely one of the more-Catholic-than-the-Pope gang.

46 posted on 05/31/2013 11:15:08 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: tony549

Perhaps he was trying to be acute.
Obviously, if men were angles only the rules of geometry would be needed.

<><><><

What if you live in a non-Euclidean world though, and parallel lines meet?


47 posted on 05/31/2013 11:15:21 AM PDT by dmz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy; NKP_Vet; BlueDragon; HarleyD; Gamecock; markomalley
Everything is always "the problem with America". Look what is happening across the globe, in Europe, Asia, Indonesia, etc. What we're really seeing is a spiritual darkening. This is not an isolated instance.

Michael Voris is a devout Catholic who really believes that they simply have listen more to the Pope and everything will be hunky-dory. The real problem is the hardness of the heart.

Luk_18:8 I tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?"

48 posted on 05/31/2013 12:01:54 PM PDT by HarleyD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: NKP_Vet

And people wonder why Premillennial Protestants have so much antipathy towards the Papacy. What Voorhis wants, Christianity ruled by the Pope, is the very thing prophesied for the end time. A return to Papist tyranny. No thanks.


49 posted on 05/31/2013 1:01:08 PM PDT by sasportas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sasportas

No Kidding!


50 posted on 05/31/2013 3:35:50 PM PDT by bkaycee (John 3:16)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-63 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson