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Was St. Paul a Misogynist and a Bigot?
Catholic Answers ^ | June 6, 2013 | Jim Blackburn

Posted on 06/08/2013 2:28:39 PM PDT by NYer

Homosexual activists sometimes claim that, for the bulk of Church history, homosexual acts were not condemned. In fact, the term homosexual did not even exist until the nineteenth century, so Church condemnation of such acts is really only that recent.

In an earlier post I discussed the contention that Jesus was silent on the issue of homosexual acts, but what about his followers? Many activists claim that although Paul's writings condemn activity that today is considered homosexual, he stood alone in this regard. They attempt to dismiss much of his teaching, painting him as a rebel of sorts who also believed that women were inferior to men. To support their claims, they cite Scripture passages such as 1 Corinthians 14:33-35:

As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

Activists claim that this “misogynistic” Pauline teaching was not repeated by others, and it would fall out of favor as Jesus’ broad message of equality prevailed. Similarly, they claim, homosexual bigotry fell away as well, only to be revived by the modern Church: Historical Christianity, they say, simply did not condemn homosexual acts.

It is true that Paul’s instructions concerning women in churches were later revised, but what activists fail to recognize in this is a distinction between doctrine and discipline. Some of Paul’s instructions were merely disciplinary in nature, intended only for a limited time and place, and they would, indeed, change later in Church history. (For more on this, see Is It a Doctrine or a Discipline?) So, were his teachings concerning homosexual acts merely Pauline discipline as well?

First, it was not only Paul in the New Testament who explicitly condemned homosexual acts. Peter and Jude did so as well. (For more on this, see Homosexuality.) Additionally, as our Catholic Answers tract Early Teachings on Homosexuality documents, Church Fathers in every century of the early Church also condemned homosexual acts (using terms such as pederasty, effeminacy, and unseemliness). Here are just a few examples:

Didache (A.D. 70):

"You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty.”

Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 193):

"[C]onversation about deeds of wickedness is appropriately termed filthy [shameful] speaking, as talk about adultery and pederasty and the like."

Novatian (A.D. 250):

“. . . effeminate manners are disapproved.”

Basil the Great (A.D. 367):

"He who is guilty of unseemliness with males will be under discipline for the same time as adulterers.”

John Chrysostom (A.D. 391):

"All of these affections [in Rom. 1:26–27] . . . were vile, but chiefly the mad lust after males.”

Augustine (A.D. 400):

"[T]hose shameful acts against nature, such as were committed in Sodom, ought everywhere and always to be detested and punished.”

Of course, countless more examples spanning the history of the Church could be cited. Clearly, this was and still is a doctrinal, not a merely disciplinary, matter. So don’t be fooled by radical claims of homosexual activists who attempt to rewrite Christian history. Though terminology has varied over the centuries, it is an undeniable fact that the Church has always condemned homosexual acts.


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: homosexual; homosexualagenda; pederasty

1 posted on 06/08/2013 2:28:39 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
An excellent example of how the Magisterium draws its teachings from extra-canonical books. The Didache is rich with such teachings. Expanding on the one above:

You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.

The Didache

2 posted on 06/08/2013 2:30:21 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

3 posted on 06/08/2013 2:32:18 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Forget it, Jake. It's Eric Holder's people.")
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To: NYer

The Red-Letter heresy again.

The words of Jesus in the New Testament are no more inspired than the words of Paul, Luke, Peter, Mark or Matthew.

Romans is no less inspired that the Gospel of John


4 posted on 06/08/2013 2:32:30 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: NYer
The long answer is:
No.
5 posted on 06/08/2013 2:32:50 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
I agree with you.

But you didn't have to go into so much detail.

6 posted on 06/08/2013 2:35:52 PM PDT by liege (You don't drive out the darkness; you turn on the light.)
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To: Fai Mao

“First, it was not only Paul in the New Testament who explicitly condemned homosexual acts. Peter and Jude did so as well.”

Well, to liberals, they invent crap they grab right out of thin air and pass it off as fact. These are the same clowns who believed the 2nd Amendment pertains to the militia, and that the militia is today’s National Guard, so ergo, you should not have guns!


7 posted on 06/08/2013 2:43:44 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: NYer

Why do the sodomites and sapphites even care?

Why do they need to drag Jesus and His church through their sordid filth?


8 posted on 06/08/2013 2:43:53 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: liege

The short answer is:
finger poke to the eyeball


9 posted on 06/08/2013 2:46:20 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: NYer

I think the story about Sodom and Gommora in the old testement should be enough.


10 posted on 06/08/2013 2:49:20 PM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: NYer

Maybe John the Baptist was greater but St. Paul was as fine a Christian as one could imagine.

In his own words, “I have run the straight race, I have fought the good fight, I have kept the faith”.


11 posted on 06/08/2013 2:50:36 PM PDT by yarddog (Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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To: NYer

Christ kept the whole law, kept it perfectly. That included the one about men not lying with men, etc. It was an abominable sin in the sight of the Lord. It IS an abominable sin in the sight of the Lord.


12 posted on 06/08/2013 2:50:50 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Fai Mao

re: “The words of Jesus in the New Testament are no more inspired than the words of Paul, Luke, Peter, Mark or Matthew.”

I must disagree in this sense, Jesus was the Word of God incarnate. His words are the very words of God because He is God in human form.

Paul, Matthew and the other Apostles words are inspired by the Holy Spirit, but they based their teachings on the life, the commands and words of Christ, not the other way around. Jesus’s teachings trump the Apostles.


13 posted on 06/08/2013 3:10:48 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Fai Mao

Huh what?! Jesus wasn’t “inspired.” He is (not was, is) the Source itself, The Word.

Just wow.


14 posted on 06/08/2013 3:56:23 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: NYer

God does not punish sodomites, he was just setting off fire works for his fourth of July celebration.


15 posted on 06/08/2013 4:20:22 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: NYer

No.


16 posted on 06/08/2013 6:08:18 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Hey NSA, here I am. Go piss up a rope.)
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To: NYer

Nope. And God doesn’t hate FRogs, either.


17 posted on 06/08/2013 8:56:25 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: NYer

And men should remain silent and support their wives in the household.

What Bible are these homosexuals reading?


18 posted on 06/09/2013 8:07:49 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Fai Mao

Are you insane? The words of Jesus are the words of God, of course they have more significance than the words of mere mortals


19 posted on 06/09/2013 8:09:19 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Westbrook

Their Master loves defilement. It’s his M.O.


20 posted on 06/09/2013 3:11:40 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: yarddog

St. Paul’s words are insightful as well: “I have run the straight race, I have fought the good fight, I have kept the faith”.

Clearly, Grace alone cannot save, there is action on the part of the ‘saved’ necessary - keeping the faith, fighting the good fight, running the race.


21 posted on 06/09/2013 3:13:23 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: NYer
I'll never understand why anyone calling himself a "chrstian" would sit in judgment on an early church authority, much less ones whose writings were later canonized as scripture.

And where in the world does this universal condemnation of "bigotry" in the name (I suppose) of some nonexistent "natural" morality come from?

Again--I recommend Theonomic positivism.

22 posted on 06/09/2013 3:56:56 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Gamecock; HarleyD

I’ve been told repeatedly by someone who should know better that Paul was a crazy person, and John of Patmos even moreso. Needless to say, I don’t believe him/her.


23 posted on 06/09/2013 8:44:44 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: yldstrk
"Are you insane? The words of Jesus are the words of God, of course they have more significance than the words of mere mortals"

The entire bible is "the words of God".

24 posted on 06/10/2013 4:57:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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