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Pope Francis vs. the Secret Vatican "Gay Lobby" [Catholic Caucus]
aleteia ^ | June 11, 2013 | Fr Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 06/12/2013 6:20:16 AM PDT by NYer

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Gossip was swirling around the Vatican at the time of Pope Benedict’s abdication that he was resigning because a “gay scandal” was about to break which would implicate high ranking members of the curia. Now Pope Francis has spoken openly about a “gay lobby.” The Huffington Post reports his comments in a meeting with members of the Latin American Caribbean Confederation of Religious Men and Women:
 

"Yes, it is difficult. In the curia there are holy people, truly holy people. But there is also a current of corruption, also there is, it is true... they speak of a 'Gay Lobby' and that is true, it is there... we will have to see what we can do..."
 
The existence of a significant number of homosexual men in the Catholic priesthood has been discussed openly for some time. Michael Rose’s 2002 book Goodbye Good Men shocked many Catholics by exposing the rampant homosexual subculture within American seminaries. 
 
Anyone who has been close to the seminary system in Britain and the US will have similar stories to tell as the one related to me by a young man, who on his first night at seminary, was invited to an obviously gay party at which the rector of the seminary appeared wearing a T-shirt that said on the front, “Am I gay?” and on the back, “Ask my boyfriend…”
 
First hand stories abound of orthodox young men being propositioned by members of a homosexual clique and then persecuted and eventually expelled when they did not conform to the prevailing gay subculture. In 2005 the Vatican ordered an investigation into seminaries in the United States and things have improved considerably since then. Pope Francis has now indicated that a similar homosexual sub culture exists within the Vatican and that he wants to do something about it.
 
It may prove more difficult than he thinks. The “lavender mafia” in American seminaries had become blatant. Seminary professors were not only engaged in homosexual relationships, but they were advocating “gay rights” and actively promoting homosexual choices. There were plenty of witnesses and evidence. It was comparatively easy, therefore, to weed out the problem.
 
The situation in the Vatican is likely to be far more secretive. There may be active homosexual clergy and staff working in the Vatican, but it is unlikely that they are gay campaigners. Instead, if there is a “gay lobby” it is far more likely to be akin to an insider’s club. Homosexuality itself will never be mentioned. All will be communicated with a wink and a nudge. Plum appointments will be awarded to favorites, peccadilloes will be swept under the carpet, and a blind eye will be turned towards sexual indiscretion. 
 
What can be done about a secret society that has no obvious members and which remains no more than a shadowy collection of friendships? Not much. It is no sin for a man to experience same sex attraction; nor is it forbidden for him to have close friends. Indeed, a celibate priest needs close, supportive friendships, and a strong fraternal spirit is encouraged amongst the clergy.
 
It would not be right to launch a witch hunt--suspecting every priest with close male friends to be part of a homosexual clique; neither would it be possible to investigate every bedroom in the Vatican to see if illicit behaviors are taking place. What can one do? Send in the Catholic Bedroom Police? Monitor every priest’s off duty activities? Check every vacation partner, hotel booking and “special friendship”?
 
It is even more complicated: It is possible that there are active homosexuals in the Vatican, but that the “gay lobby” being referred to is a group of men who are celibate homosexuals--men who operate within a network of other men who share the same proclivities not only sexually, but also in matters of liturgical taste, church politics and theological views. 
 
We think of homosexual activists as radical liberals, but this other category of Catholic  homosexually-oriented clergy are conservative theologically and liturgically, and strictly celibate. If these conservative priests are the “gay lobby” being referred to, then the situation is even more complex. They cannot be weeded out because they are doing nothing wrong; furthermore their enemies may be the radical liberals who don’t like their conservative stance, nor the fact that (in their view) these men are hypocritical “suppressed homosexuals”. So in an attempt to undermine their conservative stance and perceived hypocrisy the liberals may be aiming at this group as the secretive “gay lobby” that needs to be outed and routed.
 
If Pope Francis is to take action against this shadowy “gay lobby” the best way forward will not be a purge or witch hunt, but a positive appeal for all the curial officials to live up to their ordination vows.  No matter how complex the situation, the problem will be solved not first by punishment and banishment, but by renewal and reform from within the human heart. This renewal and reform requires a return to the gospel ideals of Christ-like simplicity, self sacrifice and service--ideals which Pope Francis lives out and which the rest of the priests in the Catholic Church should emulate.
 


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Fr Dwight Longenecker is the parish priest of Our Lady of the Rosary Church in Greenville, SC. Visit his blog, browse his books and be in touch atdwightlongenecker.com

1 posted on 06/12/2013 6:20:17 AM PDT by NYer
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Catholic Caucus Thread

Since other threads on this topic have already surfaced on FR, I am posting this for reflection.

2 posted on 06/12/2013 6:22:07 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

What to do? Simple (but not necessarily easy): look out for the extremes: the heretics and the reactionaries, those who self-justify, and those who self-loathe.


3 posted on 06/12/2013 6:51:40 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: NYer
the problem will be solved not first by punishment and banishment, but by renewal and reform from within the human heart.

Longenecker is extremely naive if he thinks a self paced epiphany is the solution to ridding the Curia of rot.

4 posted on 06/12/2013 7:08:45 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Longenecker is extremely naive if he thinks a self paced epiphany is the solution to ridding the Curia of rot.

...men in silk robes hanging out in a palace / cathedral and surrounded by priceless works of art...this is the last place I would expect to find homo's (sarcasm off)

5 posted on 06/12/2013 8:00:00 AM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: dangus

What to do?

Pray and fast....regularly for the Church.


6 posted on 06/12/2013 8:28:03 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

Amen!


7 posted on 06/12/2013 8:59:31 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SumProVita

YES! That’s what we can do. Pope Francis is already doing that more than I “can.” And he’s got back up in the Vatican!


8 posted on 06/12/2013 9:20:39 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: NYer

The problem is that we have no idea of the numbers involved. “Everyone” knows that there are gay priests. But is it 10%, or is it 40%? It was an “open secret” that Cardinal Wright was gay. Are there enough to form a dangerous clique in the Church?


9 posted on 06/12/2013 1:37:04 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: ghost of nixon

Are you a practicing Catholic?


10 posted on 06/12/2013 1:54:00 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: NYer

15 And now, when you see that which the prophet Daniel called the abomination of desolation, set up in the holy place (let him who reads this, recognize what it means),[2] 16 then those who are in Judaea must take refuge in the mountains; 17 not going down to carry away anything from the house, if they are on the house-top; 18 not going back to pick up a cloak, if they are in the fields.
-Matthew 24: 15-17


11 posted on 06/12/2013 4:12:50 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Conservatism is primarily a Christian movement.)
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To: NYer

As several other people have said - he’d better get a food taster.

I love Pope is! I loved BXVI, but Francis is exactly what we need now.


12 posted on 06/12/2013 7:12:16 PM PDT by livius
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Our Pope should have 24 hour 7 days a week fasting and prayers in the Vatican. Every hour on the hour by different individuals continually. This is so powerful it would change these sinning individuals on spot or drive them out of our Church.

Mark 9:

…27But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose. 28And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? 29And he said to them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

Philippians 4 :

6 Do not worry about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.< p> We also need to pray and fast a little.

13 posted on 06/12/2013 8:54:43 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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