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Francis: “A Rich Church is an Old, Lifeless Church”
La Stampa-Vatican Insider ^ | 6/11/13 | Vatican Insider Staff

Posted on 06/12/2013 6:29:07 AM PDT by marshmallow

This was Francis’ main message in this morning’s homily for the mass in St. Martha’s House, as reported by “Vatican Radio”. After the mass he tweeted: “We must not be afraid of solidarity; rather let us make all we have and are available to God.”

If the focus is on making the Church “rich”, then the Church will grow “old” and “lifeless” the Pope said in this morning’s mass in St. Martha’s House, which he co-celebrated with Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller. Priests and staff from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith also attended. The Pope urged faithful to proclaim the Gospel with “simplicity” and “freely”. He reiterated the Church is not an NGO and underlined that poverty “is one of the signs of this gratuity."

“St. Peter did not have a bank account, and when he had to pay taxes, the Lord sent him to the sea to catch fish and find the money in the fish, to pay,” Pope Francis said, recalling the style of the primitive Church.

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1 posted on 06/12/2013 6:29:07 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Have the Pope toss some money my way.


2 posted on 06/12/2013 6:30:20 AM PDT by seeker41 (Take back your country before it is too late-STOP islamic expansion in the USA remove zero)
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To: marshmallow
Well, that explains why a wise old Priest I know told us to all pray for his safety. Against threats from inside the Vatican.


3 posted on 06/12/2013 6:56:16 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marshmallow

I can’t find fault in that at all.


4 posted on 06/12/2013 7:15:55 AM PDT by EricT. (Another Muslim terrorist. Who saw that coming?)
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To: marshmallow

He’s right. There is a grasping heart, and there is a giving heart, and the Church has to be giving, sacrificially, from a heart of love, just as Jesus gave Himself. It has to be a change in every person’s heart.


5 posted on 06/12/2013 7:34:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick (More open defiance is needed.)
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To: marshmallow

Get rid of the red shoes and the bowing down and kissing ring thing. That’s a carryover from the times when the Pope was a secular ruler - head of state.

Also, they should stop wearing dresses.


6 posted on 06/12/2013 7:44:14 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: marshmallow

This pope may indeed be a true man of God more than a man of “the church”. He’s showing every evidence.

One of my fav quotes is:

“Every move of God is born in a cave. And it dies in a cathedral.”

I.e., when God’s people are desperate, needy, and without hope is when they are on their faces in their poverty crying out to God. Always - He hears their cry - and answers, and blesses. 100 years later, prosperous from His blessings - they forget him (and the poor) and build glorious cathedrals. Supposedly they are for God’s glory, but in reality they only glorify man. And in them, the now rich forget where their blessings came from, their original state. And die.

Then you have a dead, empty, but very pretty shell or carcass.

I think this Pope gets it.


7 posted on 06/12/2013 7:46:55 AM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: marshmallow

Oh, boy. Part of me believes these are the words for the times that are a-coming and part of me thinks, “be careful what you wish for, Holy Father.” And another part thinks the first two are the same thing.


8 posted on 06/12/2013 8:34:53 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: schm0e
And another part thinks the first two are the same thing.

That part is perceptive!

9 posted on 06/12/2013 9:17:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (More open defiance is needed.)
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To: I want the USA back; marshmallow

1. Francis doesn't wear red shoes, he wears his old black shoes. (Benedict did wear red --- true, they were customary, but they were gifts.)

He tends to favor the no-shoes --- but there are people who don't like that, either.

2. The ring is a symbol of a person's position of responsibility or commitment, just like my and my husband's wedding rings or a military distinguished service medal. The Pope's ring is particularly inexpensive, since they melt it down and re-cast it for each new pope. Thrifty: reuse and recycle.

Besides, the pope IS a head of state.

3. No vestments? You mean you want him to undertake the expense of buying a closet-full of new suits, so he can look like a U.N. diplomat, a banker, or Pat Robertson instead? I'm perfectly OK with him sticking with his official uniform, which he has tended to simplify.

Dresses? Did Jesus and Peter wear Abercrombie & Fitch?

I find that generally, when people disparage the traditional insignia, clothing and customs of an organization, they haven't much use for that organization to begin with. Not saying that's you, just making an observation.

10 posted on 06/12/2013 9:20:48 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah Fubar.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Did Jesus and Peter wear Abercrombie & Fitch?

I believe it was the inimitable Ray Stevens who asked, "Would Jesus wear a Rolex on his television show?"

11 posted on 06/12/2013 9:48:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (More open defiance is needed.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZyQHqzsXSo

Written by Chet Atkins, originally recorded by Ray Stevens. This is a version by Cledus T. Judd and Joe Diffie.


12 posted on 06/12/2013 9:54:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (More open defiance is needed.)
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To: Tax-chick

You’re too kind.


13 posted on 06/12/2013 9:59:39 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: All
If the focus is on making the Church “rich”, then the Church will grow “old” and “lifeless” the Pope said in this morning’s mass...

Note the IF-THEN statement. What the Pope said is a far cry from what the title states. Jesus said "it is easier for a rich man to go to heaven...", not "it is impossible...."

“St. Peter did not have a bank account, and when he had to pay taxes, the Lord sent him to the sea to catch fish and find the money in the fish, to pay,” Pope Francis said, recalling the style of the primitive Church.

"I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away." - Luke 19:26

"You shall remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you power to get wealth..." - Deuteronomy 8:18


14 posted on 06/12/2013 11:57:50 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Tax-chick
Did Jesus and Peter wear Abercrombie & Fitch?

No, but He has been known to wear Levis on occasion :)


'Jesus in jeans' sculpture unveiled

15 posted on 06/12/2013 12:04:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy; Tax-chick
Poe Innocent III was giving St. Francis of Assisi an impromptu tour of some of the art and architecture of the Eternal City. He paused in front of a fresco showing the dramatic scene in the book of Acts where St. Peter gives the lame beggar, not money, but --- in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth --- a miraculous healing.

The Pope remarked, "Of course, the Successor of Peter can no longer say, "Silver and gold I have none."

St. Francis observed, "...and neither can you say, "Arise and walk."

16 posted on 06/12/2013 1:10:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ( "Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose." - Yoda)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

;-).


17 posted on 06/12/2013 1:45:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick (More open defiance is needed.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Tax-chick
Then there's Jesus Pérez Rodríguez in jeans.

Sure, I know Jesus. He goes to my church.

18 posted on 06/12/2013 1:46:07 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Ay, ay, ay, ay.)
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To: marshmallow

I honestly don’t get what he is talking about here.


19 posted on 06/12/2013 1:52:23 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Nice looking kid, if he were neatly dressed ...

My friend Maria de Lourdes has a son named Jesus, but everyone calls him Jesse.


20 posted on 06/12/2013 2:37:13 PM PDT by Tax-chick (More open defiance is needed.)
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To: Tax-chick

Well, Jesus Perez is a graduate student in Public Health here. Bright kid, nice kid. His mother is horrified that he dresses like a bum. Long story. Kinda Franciscan -— but at least he doesn’t go naked!


21 posted on 06/12/2013 6:32:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Ay, ay, ay, ay.)
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