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Butch Cassidy, a Mormon?
LDSLiving.com ^ | May 23, 2013 | KELSEY BERTEAUX

Posted on 06/12/2013 6:12:03 PM PDT by Colofornian

Butch Cassidy is arguably one of the most infamous bandits of the Old West. His lucrative heists, daring schemes of tactical brilliance many years ahead of their time, wrested hundreds of thousands of dollars from banks, trains, and businesses—equivalent to multi-millions today. Only caught once on a charge of horse theft for which he served 18 months in jail, the wildly successful Cassidy earned himself such fame that pop culture today still knows his name. And he was a Mormon.

A Mormon outlaw? It seems like it should be an oxymoron. Latter-day Saints take pride in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, and virtuous, and in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. Cassidy may have struggled with that last bit, but small things in his mild manner like a commitment not to drink alcohol or gamble ring familiar to practicing Mormons. He may have left the Church, but the influence of his Mormon upbringing never completely left him.

Born in 1866 in Beaver, Utah, as Robert LeRoy Parker to pioneers Maximillian Parker and Ann Campbell Gillies, Cassidy came from faithful Mormon stock. It is likely he was baptized into the Church at the age of 8, but by the time the time he was 13, he had stopped attending almost entirely. The posited reasons for his decline in faith range from blaming the example of his father who also only attended meetings sporadically to a brush he had with the law where he was unjustly accused and treated poorly by officials. Certainly, though, it was the influence of his friend and mentor Mike Cassidy that played the largest role. Whatever all the contributing factors were, Robert changed his name to protect his family and left home at 18 to become one of the most well-known bandits in the Old West.

But in between his famous train heists and bank robberies, Cassidy was an upstanding if unorthodox man. In one instance, he heard of a farmer facing foreclosure and graciously paid off the mortgage, delivering the deed to the man. The next day, he robbed the same bank for the exact amount he’d paid to get his money back. On another occasion, he recovered a horse stolen from 16-year-old Harry Ogden, who had spent his life savings on the animal. After confirming he had retrieved the correct steed, Cassidy ordered the bandit to leave the country, because there was no room for people who would harm a young boy.

Stories like these earned Cassidy the distinction of being a gentleman bandit and Robin Hood, a role with which he readily identified. Cassidy himself once wrote, “The best way to hurt them [those who take advantage of the poor] is through their pocket book. They will holler louder than if you cut off both legs. I steal their money just to hear them holler. Then I pass it out among those who really need it.” One of Cassidy’s known criminal associates, Matt “The Mormon Kid” Warner, described him as “a good-natured outlaw.” Commenting further, he added, “Though he was a dead-shot, Butch didn’t like pulling the trigger . . . . He was revered even among lawmen.” Indeed, throughout his lengthy career in the United States, Cassidy befriended many deputies and went to great lengths to avoid killing.

After fleeing to South America with longtime partner Harry “The Sundance Kid” Longabaugh, Cassidy tried to start a reputable ranch, but when times got tough he turned back to banditry to make ends meet. It is believed that he died in the spectacular Bolivian shootout depicted in the 1969 Robert Redford film, though there are many claims that he faked his death. Whether or not he died there remains a hotly contested debate to this day, but one thing we know for certain: despite his chosen profession and the vicious stereotypes associated with it, he was a man with his own moral code who was deeply affected by his heritage.

Read more about Butch Cassidy and other infamous Mormon bandits in Butch Cassidy and Other Mormon Outlaws of the Old West by Kathryn Jenkins Gordon.


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From the piece promoting criminal activity in a Mormon publication: Butch Cassidy is arguably one of the most infamous bandits of the Old West. His lucrative heists, daring schemes of tactical brilliance many years ahead of their time, wrested hundreds of thousands of dollars from banks, trains, and businesses—equivalent to multi-millions today. Only caught once on a charge of horse theft for which he served 18 months in jail, the wildly successful Cassidy earned himself such fame that pop culture today still knows his name. And he was a Mormon.

Really? This Mormon writer bills Butch Cassidy the Mormon as "wildly successful"????

From the Mormon publication article: A Mormon outlaw? It seems like it should be an oxymoron. Latter-day Saints take pride in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, and virtuous, and in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. Cassidy may have struggled with that last bit, but small things in his mild manner like a commitment not to drink alcohol or gamble ring familiar to practicing Mormons. He may have left the Church, but the influence of his Mormon upbringing never completely left him.

Oh, no doubt, his Mormon influence never left him! As for Cassidy "may have struggled" with sustaining the law, boy, this Mormon writer does carry a gift for understatement, doesn't she? Hmm...how else could she have played down a serial criminal's behavior? (Oh read on)

From the Mormon publication: Born in 1866 in Beaver, Utah, as Robert LeRoy Parker to pioneers Maximillian Parker and Ann Campbell Gillies, Cassidy came from faithful Mormon stock. It is likely he was baptized into the Church at the age of 8, but by the time the time he was 13, he had stopped attending almost entirely. The posited reasons for his decline in faith range from blaming the example of his father who also only attended meetings sporadically to a brush he had with the law where he was unjustly accused and treated poorly by officials. Certainly, though, it was the influence of his friend and mentor Mike Cassidy that played the largest role. Whatever all the contributing factors were, Robert changed his name to protect his family and left home at 18 to become one of the most well-known bandits in the Old West.

Ahh...doesn't that just make you tingle inside...to the point of burning your bosom???

1 posted on 06/12/2013 6:12:03 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Well Elder Cassidy did ride a bike in that movie.

You need a new hobby dude.


2 posted on 06/12/2013 6:13:21 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: All
Btw, this book is published by Deseret Books -- owned by the Mormon church.

'Twas interesting that I searched to find out who the "other Mormon outlaws" are who make up the contents of the book highlighted in the first and last paragraphs...and yet...couldn't find out who they are.

Who are they?

Are these Mormon criminals of the Old West sanitized and promoted by the Lds church just like Cassidy apparently was -- given the treatment we see in this article?

Who are the others? Murderers like Orrin Porter Rockwell? Bill Hickman?

And what about the Mountain Meadows Massacre killers? (You bet your life they are not included!)

3 posted on 06/12/2013 6:18:34 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Tijeras_Slim; Colofornian
You need a new hobby dude.

and then what would i do

4 posted on 06/12/2013 6:20:05 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

The LDS was historically run like a criminal enterprise, not unlike Scientology and other religious cults. Just ask all the women who were pressured into secret marriages with Smith, a fact he and many other polygamous Mormon apostles denied in public though practicing it to the extreme in secret.


5 posted on 06/12/2013 6:21:06 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Colofornian; All

Ted Kennedy was a Catholic..


6 posted on 06/12/2013 6:21:19 PM PDT by KevinDavis (The Bill of Rights is a suicide pact.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

So?? The Catholic Church had a nice thing called the inquisition..


7 posted on 06/12/2013 6:22:42 PM PDT by KevinDavis (The Bill of Rights is a suicide pact.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Lighten up Francis.


8 posted on 06/12/2013 6:22:47 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Colofornian

.....”Ahh...doesn’t that just make you tingle inside...to the point of burning your bosom???”

Are you anti-christ? I’m shocked that you so recklessly ridicule the Holy Ghost and his mission as attested to in the bible as well as the book of mormon.

I’m sorry if you have no dealings or understandings of the Holy Ghost; but just because you don’t .....doesn’t mean that others do not either.

If you can’t trust the Holy Ghost, as Christ recommended for finding truth .... who can you trust? Emperor Constantine?


9 posted on 06/12/2013 6:23:21 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: Colofornian

hahahahaha
Why because he was a thief, liar, charlatan and had many many women at his beck and call?


10 posted on 06/12/2013 6:29:25 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: teppe
the Holy Ghost

hi mom

11 posted on 06/12/2013 6:29:51 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: teppe

“Are you anti-christ? I’m shocked that you so recklessly ridicule the Holy Ghost and his mission as attested to in the bible as well as the book of mormon.”


The definition of anti-Christ is this:

1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

This certainly can’t be applied to any true Christian. And Joseph Smith isn’t anywhere in the Bible... and the Book of Mormon, which plagiarizes huge portions of the Bible, doesn’t always help Smith either when it denies polygamy, or in its earlier incarnations where it affirmed monotheism.

1 Nephi 11:21 “And the angel said unto me, behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Eternal Father!”

Now reads: “And the angel said unto me: Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father!”

1 Nephi 11:32 “... the Everlasting God, was judged of the world; and I saw and bear record.”

Now reads: “... the Son of the everlasting God, was judged of the world; and I saw and bear record.”

“If you can’t trust the Holy Ghost, as Christ recommended for finding truth .... who can you trust? Emperor Constantine?”


Did Constantine pen this, polytheist?:

Isa_44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Or this, thou God in embryo?

Isa_43:10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


12 posted on 06/12/2013 6:32:20 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: teppe

Really?
Yet, again you apparently do not address the post about a story written by momorns for mormons about a possible mormon but go on some ramble that makes no sense.


13 posted on 06/12/2013 6:32:31 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: Colofornian

Wait. Did he not pay his taxes? Harry Reid ants to know...


14 posted on 06/12/2013 6:40:01 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: KevinDavis

pointless


15 posted on 06/12/2013 6:48:05 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Colofornian

i know someone who found an old dinner knife in a fallen down cabin near the hideout that they loving claim was the one butch cassidy et his peas with


16 posted on 06/12/2013 6:48:45 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Colofornian

Latter-day Saints take pride in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent,...”

I can’t believe you let that statement be posted.


17 posted on 06/12/2013 6:54:58 PM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: teppe

Nice try Teppe...


18 posted on 06/12/2013 7:01:14 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Since when does ‘spreading Truth and exposing what is corrupt’ considered a hobby?


19 posted on 06/12/2013 7:07:14 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Colofornian

*** though there are many claims that he faked his death. Whether or not he died there remains a hotly contested debate to this day***

I used to have a book WHERE THE OLD WEST STAYED YOUNG about the Brown’s Hole area.

There was a section in it about Cassidy and a woman, who met him after his “death”, claimed he died in Johnie Nevada.


20 posted on 06/12/2013 7:13:07 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: teppe

“Are you anti-christ? I’m shocked that you so recklessly ridicule the Holy Ghost and his mission as attested to in the bible as well as the book of mormon.”

Only mormonism can make the Holy Ghost into a Celestial Tickle Me Elmo... sigh.


21 posted on 06/12/2013 7:23:50 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Colofornian
Latter-day Saints take pride in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, and virtuous, and in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

Two words: Mountain Meadows

22 posted on 06/12/2013 7:52:08 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Colofornian
Even if he wasn't at the time, the LDS Church would have baptized him in abstentia by now!
23 posted on 06/12/2013 8:05:02 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Colofornian

What?!?

You mean you didn’t know about this????

I mean, you always come on with those looooooong posts you keep on your desktop like you are the be all and end all of Mormonism, that I thought that, I mean, surely you know all about this too.

I guess this must really mess up that election you were so sure you had.

Sheesh, I’ve known about this for decades. It was on a movie I watched as a teenager in high school in California back in the ‘60s.

As I recall, and my memory is pretty shot these days, Billy ‘the Kid’ is on that list too. Matter of fact, I bet a goodly portion of the bad guys of the “wild west” were ex-Mormons or anti-Mormons. Like many of those on this forum that claim to also be ex-Mormons or anti-Mormons.

We cannot all be perfect, ya know. Oh, that’s right, some here think they ARE perfect and their election is sure. Must be nice.


24 posted on 06/12/2013 8:06:44 PM PDT by egfowler3 (Why do I even bother? No one's listening.)
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To: Colofornian

25 posted on 06/12/2013 8:08:21 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: egfowler3

Actually, I didn’t know he was a Mormon, so the thread was useful to me. Not a surprise though, considering the criminal/fraudulent nature and origins of the LDS itself.


26 posted on 06/12/2013 8:11:19 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: teppe

“If you could hie to Kolob, in the twinkling of an eye...”

Then you would meet Elohim himself as he wishes all here below, “Merry Smithmas, everyone!”

We gentiles know that Mormon Jesus is the brother of Lucifer, but not many have heard of the Mormon Santa:

“On, Alma, on, Ether, on, Mosiah now,
“On, Enos, on, Nephi, on Jarom & how!”

With his pack full of handcarts, prairie dresses, and Urim & Thummim for all!

;^)


27 posted on 06/12/2013 8:17:35 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: KevinDavis

There were other Mormon Gunfighters like the Avenging Angels. One of the most murderious was Porter Rockwell who did his shooting for the church. A colorful westerner who deserves to be remembered. It was a time that needed people like that—the Mormons faced terrible repression and even murder at the hands of Anti-Mormons. One of the two pillars of the early Republican Party was anti-Slavery and Anti-Mormonism!


28 posted on 06/12/2013 8:47:42 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Colofornian

So he went to Beaver Liquors one day and became a man. Then he robbed the place blind?


29 posted on 06/12/2013 9:36:15 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: KevinDavis

Oh, that repressive thing..


30 posted on 06/12/2013 9:39:06 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: stormer

Wait, that’s four syllables...


31 posted on 06/12/2013 9:41:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

"Who are those guys?"
32 posted on 06/12/2013 9:46:17 PM PDT by drew
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To: Colofornian

I shot the law,

but the, law won...


33 posted on 06/12/2013 11:06:45 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Colofornian
Butch Cassidy, a Mormon?

Why not!!??

He's DEAD, so he'd probably been dunked, and ANYone with half a brain would accept the MORMON offer in the afterlife!

34 posted on 06/13/2013 5:10:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
... ANYone with half a brain ...

I hear that Zombies will be the next big batch of folks to turn to Mormonism.

They merely just have to die first.

(Or become a missionary...)

 
 
 
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35 posted on 06/13/2013 5:22:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian; District13; teppe; restornu
Btw, this book is published by Deseret Books -- owned by the Mormon church.

And yet, our resident FR Mormons will probably get on this thread and complain that WE Christians are trying to make their chosen religion look bad.

36 posted on 06/13/2013 5:25:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
You need a new hobby dude.

Why?

I appreciate an EXPERT in their field.

37 posted on 06/13/2013 5:26:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Was?

Pay yer 10% or else YOU don’t get to be with GOD in the afterlife.


38 posted on 06/13/2013 5:27:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: KevinDavis

Good luck with your “LOOK over THERE!!!” attempt.


39 posted on 06/13/2013 5:28:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
Are you anti-christ? I’m shocked that you so recklessly ridicule the Holy Ghost and his mission as attested to in the bible as well as the book of mormon.

Are you a doctor?

I'm shocked that you cannot tell the difference between a physiological sensation and the Holy Ghost!

40 posted on 06/13/2013 5:29:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
as attested to in the bible as well as the book of mormon.

But is the Holy Ghost even mentioned at ALL in one of your OTHER bits of MORMON scripture - The Book of ABRAHAM??

41 posted on 06/13/2013 5:30:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; teppe
“If you can’t trust the Holy Ghost, as Christ recommended for finding truth .... who can you trust? Emperor Constantine?”

If you can't trust ALL the versions of the BoM; then what CAN you trust??




"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."
---Joseph Knight's journal.


"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.
(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),
"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,
as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,
and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"
reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881
in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:
 
 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,
Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12
June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)


Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:
 
"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"
("A New Witness for Christ in America,"
Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)


"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."
---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.




42 posted on 06/13/2013 5:32:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; teppe
The following are the LYING images that MORMONism has produced, KNOWING that they represent something FALSE!!
 
 
   

43 posted on 06/13/2013 5:33:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: District13
I can’t believe you let that statement be posted.


Speaking of crooks, and guns, and jails...


 
 

JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....

44 posted on 06/13/2013 5:35:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: egfowler3
We cannot all be perfect, ya know. Oh, that’s right, some here think they ARE perfect and their election is sure. Must be nice.

Speaking of the Holy Ghost...


 

Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

45 posted on 06/13/2013 5:38:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Actually, I didn’t know he was a Mormon, so the thread was useful to me. Not a surprise though, considering the criminal/fraudulent nature and origins of the LDS itself.

Did SOMEone say ORIGIN??



Polygamy: How it all got Started
 



 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!! 
  
            Can't you EVER get straight what GOD tells you???
 
          Doctrines and Covenants 49:16 Wherefore, it is lawful that he should have one awife, and they twain shall be bone flesh, and all this that the cearth might answer the end of its creation;
 
 
 
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.


46 posted on 06/13/2013 5:39:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: elcid1970
“If you could hie to Kolob, in the twinkling of an eye...”

Did SOMEone mention Kolob???


Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture.                             
Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham.
 
 "If You Could Hie to Kolob", the hymn
 
 Kolob as the inspiration for Kobol in Battlestar Galactica
 
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob
 
 


 
 
 
 
 
Figure Joseph Smith Explanation[52] Explanation by non-Mormon and Mormon Egyptologists (quotes are from Deveria)[25][43][53]
1 Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according to celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth, which is called by the Egyptians Jah-oh-eh. "The spirit of the four elements (according to Champollion), or rather of the four winds, or the four cardinal points; the soul of the terrestrial world. This god is always represented with four rams' heads, and his image has certainly been altered here. — They have also evidently made a very clumsy attempt at copying the double human head of the god figured above, fig. 2, instead of the four rams' heads. The word Jah-oh-eh has nothing Egyptian in it; it resembles the Hebrew word [redacted] badly transcribed." (emphasis in original) The name hieroglyph above the central figure is Chnm-Re, the Egyptian "First Creator" god who organized everything out of the primordial chaos.
 
 
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham
 
 

47 posted on 06/13/2013 5:41:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77k

Following orders???


48 posted on 06/13/2013 5:44:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
NOW we're getting closer to the truth!



49 posted on 06/13/2013 5:49:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
 
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
 
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!          
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

50 posted on 06/13/2013 5:51:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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