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White House “Strongly Objects” to Amendment Protecting Religious Liberty for Soldiers
The Deacon's Bench ^ | 6/13/2013 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 06/13/2013 5:38:50 AM PDT by markomalley

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Breitbart News reported last week that Rep. John Fleming (R-LA) passed an amendment in the House Armed Services Committee protecting religious speech of service members in the military. President Barack Obama has now threatened to veto the bill if it passes the full House and Senate.

The White House released a Statement of Administration Policy (SAP) on H.R. 1960, the National Defense Authorization Act of 2014. Among other items, the SAP includes as an objection to the bill:

Expansion and Implementation of Protection of Rights of Conscience of Members of the Armed Forces and Chaplains of Such Members: The Administration strongly objects to section 530, which would require the Armed Forces to accommodate, except in cases of military necessity, “actions and speech” reflecting the “conscience, moral principles, or religious beliefs of the member.” By limiting the discretion of commanders to address potentially problematic speech and actions within their units, this provision would have a significant adverse effect on good order, discipline, morale, and mission accomplishment.

The SAP includes a veto threat: “…if the bill is presented to the President for approval in its current form, the President’s senior advisers would recommend that the President veto the bill.”

In other words, Obama says he will veto any bill that forbids his appointees or officers from telling a soldier that he cannot mention Jesus during prayer or have a Bible on his desk, or that keeps those appointees from telling a chaplain (who is an ordained clergyman) what religious teachings he is allowed to give in worship services, or what spiritual counseling he can give to another soldier.

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1 posted on 06/13/2013 5:38:50 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Well I hope all the dumb sh##s that voted for this piece of crap are happy now.


2 posted on 06/13/2013 5:41:30 AM PDT by Marathoner (Impeach Obama, Holder, Big Sis, and throw in IL Gov Quinn for good measure)
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To: markomalley

If you merely replaced the word “religious” in that provision with “sexual orientation” then Obama would be demanding its inclusion.


3 posted on 06/13/2013 5:42:34 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Marathoner

Me too. And I want them to enjoy both barrels of what he is going to send their [and our] way. i won’t but I have not enjoyed him from day one so any more won’t matter to me. But I still want to see his deciples suffer. if they had the intelligence to get in out of the rain, the fate of Ambassador Stevens would make them nervious.


4 posted on 06/13/2013 5:46:04 AM PDT by sport
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To: Marathoner

They are...they agree with this crap.

Its thee and me who are p-oed.


5 posted on 06/13/2013 5:47:02 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: circlecity

I’m sure they can proclaim their Muslim faith and be welcomed with open arms.


6 posted on 06/13/2013 5:52:17 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Marathoner
"Well I hope all the dumb sh##s that voted for this piece of crap are happy now."

I hope the ones patting themselves on the back for staying home rather than voting for Romney are as well.

7 posted on 06/13/2013 5:53:42 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: markomalley

>> By limiting the discretion of commanders to address [religious] speech and actions within their units, this provision would have a significant adverse effect on good order, discipline, morale, and mission accomplishment.

And yet, the morale and discipline affront of faggotry in the military is to be not only allowed but embraced — if you merely remain silent about the sexual preferences of sodomites, you are guilty of a “hate crime” and will be disciplined.

May GOD have mercy on this nation. It’s shameful how far we have fallen.


8 posted on 06/13/2013 5:55:12 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: markomalley

I must be naïve because I thought that the 1st Amendment of the Constitution already guarantees this.


9 posted on 06/13/2013 6:02:22 AM PDT by Axelsrd
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To: markomalley

No praying in foxholes.


10 posted on 06/13/2013 6:02:34 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: markomalley
If I remember right, at one point in military history, a new recruit was given a New Testament.
11 posted on 06/13/2013 6:02:36 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (")
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To: markomalley

Of course the White House strongly objects to Christian liberty. He has nothing to lose at this point but he is more than willing to cause others to lose more and more of what they hold near and dear.


12 posted on 06/13/2013 6:24:32 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: markomalley; HoosierDammit; TYVets; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; ...
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13 posted on 06/13/2013 6:29:26 AM PDT by narses
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To: markomalley

But Obama doesn’t like the Constitution. Why would he like any amendment?


14 posted on 06/13/2013 6:50:37 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

Watch out for the unintended consequences of Islamics recruiting more head choppers from the ranks of our military.

Even though Islam is not a religion, but a socio-political system masquerading as one.


15 posted on 06/13/2013 7:44:43 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Coldwater Creek
If I remember right, at one point in military history, a new recruit was given a New Testament.

At Great Lakes NTC in 1961 we were not issued one, but we were told that the only books we were permitted to possess during boot camp were the Bible and the Bluejacket's Manual.

16 posted on 06/13/2013 7:49:30 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Axelsrd

The whole rationale of the Chaplain Corps is to guarantee the religious rights of men and women in uniform, not to help the Co maintain good morale, but this is what officers have been led to believe — that a Chaplain is something like a shrink.


17 posted on 06/13/2013 8:20:52 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: markomalley

And the Black “church” is silent because it worships Ob@ma.


18 posted on 06/13/2013 8:33:13 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: markomalley

I hear you, but, what if the book displayed were a Koran? Or, Anton Sandor LaVey’s “Satanic Bible”? As a CO I would be inclined to tell the user of such books to put them away if I were to think their open display affect morale and discipline.

Why would I want that power to be taken away?

We have to think this through carefully.

+JMJ,
~Theo


19 posted on 06/13/2013 8:46:56 AM PDT by Teófilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: markomalley; LiteKeeper; P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson; Salvation; narses; NYer; usafrjag
The Administration strongly objects to section 530, which would require the Armed Forces to accommodate, except in cases of military necessity, “actions and speech” reflecting the “conscience, moral principles, or religious beliefs of the member.” By limiting the discretion of commanders to address potentially problematic speech and actions within their units, this provision would have a significant adverse effect on good order, discipline, morale, and mission accomplishment.

Ridiculous comment by the President. The military has already been accommodating since 1776 WITHOUT an adverse effect.

This protection is being promoted because those basic rights, which up to now have been accepted, are being discriminated against.

I cannot more strongly object to the president's false portrayal of the situation.

For centuries, the US military has understood the intent of the 1st amendment right to free exercise -- that it's far better to let people speak their minds on these subjects than it is to get the government involved in deciding what is proper religious expression and what isn't. In fact, government accepted prayer would be government ESTABLISHING a government approved religion.

20 posted on 06/13/2013 9:12:02 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: markomalley

And Islam?


21 posted on 06/13/2013 10:50:32 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray. Penance. Isa 5:18-21 Isa 10:1-3)
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To: School of Rational Thought

No praying in foxholes.


Sad, because our great military has seen the hand of the Lord upon so many times. So many of our heroes have been men of faith. Even those who don’t agree with their beliefs should at least respect them.

George Washington got on his knees in Valley Forge alone in prayer at what I believe was the true turning point of the Revolution.

George S. Patton was said to have prayed every morning. And at a critical point in the Battle of the Bulge he ordered his men to pray. http://www.generalpatton.com/prayer/index.html
I would love to hear his opinion on this matter, if he were around to give it. What a vital part of America we are losing!


22 posted on 06/16/2013 9:39:34 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Nervous Tick
So what are we going to do with the Marine Corp Hymn(for those of you who listen to Obama its pronounced ‘core’).

The final stanza:
“Here's health to you and to our Corps
Which we are proud to serve
In many a strife we've fought for life
And never lost our nerve;
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines”

And I doubt anyone ever asks them to hold an umbrella up there.

23 posted on 06/16/2013 9:45:23 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Marathoner

I am sure they are, with their food stamps and Obamaphones.


24 posted on 06/16/2013 12:46:12 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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