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Russia criminalizes blasphemy: jail time for insulting religion
http://www.examiner.com/article/russia-criminalizes-blasphemy-jail-time-for-insulting-religion ^

Posted on 06/13/2013 12:39:44 PM PDT by kronos77

A bill imposing jail terms of up to three years on those who offend religious believers is set to become law in Russia. The new blasphemy law was approved by the State Duma in Moscow on Tuesday, June 11.

According to the bill, “public actions expressing clear disrespect for society and committed with the goal of offending religious feelings of the faithful” would be punishable with jail terms of up to one year and fines of up to 300,000 rubles ($9,200). While “publicly expressing clear disrespect to believers, including actions undertaken at places of worship,” would be punishable by up to three years in prison, fines of up to 500,000 rubles, and compulsory correctional labor.

In addition to passing the new anti-blasphemy law, the country’s lower house of Parliament also passed a bill to outlaw activism by lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTI) individuals and their supporters.

Both new pieces of legislation are being promoted by a large portion of the Russian political establishment, and not surprisingly, both are strongly backed by the Russian Orthodox Church.

The new blasphemy legislation comes in the aftermath of last year’s trial and conviction of three members of the all-female Russian punk group Pussy Riot for “hooliganism on grounds of religious hatred” after they sang a protest song in Moscow’s main Orthodox cathedral.

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TOPICS: Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: blasphemylaw; christianity; church; orthodoxchristianty; russia; russiareligion; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 06/13/2013 12:39:44 PM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77

It’s Holy Russia versus godless capitalism.


2 posted on 06/13/2013 12:42:38 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: kronos77

scared of the muzzies


3 posted on 06/13/2013 12:43:24 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: kronos77

Good thing Islam is a fascist political totalitarian death cult, ‘cause otherwise me calling mohammed a child rapist and “Allah” Satan would be illegal.


4 posted on 06/13/2013 12:44:21 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If youÂ’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: kronos77

Fantastic. Wow. Wow.

America better get this done.


5 posted on 06/13/2013 12:44:39 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Fantastic. Wow. Wow.

America better get this done.

Not a big fan of the First Amendment?

6 posted on 06/13/2013 12:48:29 PM PDT by gdani
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To: Uncle Miltie

It’s not blasphemy to point out the fact that islam is heretical in it’s refusal to subscribe to the truth of the Bible and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.


7 posted on 06/13/2013 12:48:35 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

In America, people are free to believe anything they choose to put faith in. Even Islam is allowed, because that encompasses religious freedom. HOWEVER, in America, when Islam seeks to force Americans to live by the laws of Islam or tries to shut people up for contending with Islam, TAHT is a violation of Constitutionally defined rights.


8 posted on 06/13/2013 12:49:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: kronos77
What constitutes blasphemy exactly in this law?
Will it creep, as it has so many times before, into ANY criticism or questioning, or even mentioning certain aspects about a religion, equals Blasphemy.
I'm sure you can figure out which religion in particular I'm concerned about.

9 posted on 06/13/2013 12:50:31 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: kronos77

NAME THE COUNTRY: USA OR RUSSIA:

1. Flat tax

2. Growing Christian religiosity

3. Growing respect for arms ownership

4. Respect for marriage

5. Granted fair-tax advocate Gerald Depardieu amnesty

6. Granted welcome to NSA whistle-blower Snowden

7. Aggressive privatization of space industry


BEAM ME UP, MAN..!


10 posted on 06/13/2013 12:52:19 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: MHGinTN

Very true. It’s just ironic that now our American government is the one turning more secular and effectively atheistic and official Russia has now turned away from materialistic Marxism.


11 posted on 06/13/2013 12:56:09 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: PieterCasparzen

Well then Judaism is heretical too then.


12 posted on 06/13/2013 12:57:20 PM PDT by Borges
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To: gaijin

Marxist Communism is DEAD in Russia, but making progress here.


13 posted on 06/13/2013 12:57:22 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: PieterCasparzen

If you want fines for speech, perhaps you should find a country other than America to call home.

Fortunately, it seems you have a new candidate to your liking.


14 posted on 06/13/2013 12:57:38 PM PDT by PlanToDisappear
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To: gaijin

You forgot hot chicks.


15 posted on 06/13/2013 12:58:34 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: gdani
Not a big fan of the First Amendment?

No, because it allows for heresy, blasphemy, any sort of paganism and heathenism and godlessness to pervert and destroy the practice of Christian faith. And this is what has happened - and our government not only allows it - it encourages it. Our government directly attacks Biblical doctrine as allowed by a technical, "letter of the law" reading of the Constitution.

Many people at the time of ratification ignored this fact because they assumed (?!?!?!?!) that people would always practice the idea of freedom of religion in terms of allowing multiple Christian denominations, instead of future generations twisting it into freedom from religion.

Because the Constitution does not codify any specific Biblical basis for itself and America, godlessness was allowed to prosper and grow.

American civil government officials, having no Constitutional basis for exhorting the Church to perform its role in society well, simply gave in to atheists under the guise of pluralism.
16 posted on 06/13/2013 1:00:16 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: kronos77; narses
A bill imposing jail terms of up to three years on those who offend religious believers is set to become law in Russia. The new blasphemy law was approved by the State Duma in Moscow on Tuesday, June 11.

This thread needs to be re-posted/moved to the Religion Forum STAT!

17 posted on 06/13/2013 1:02:22 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Borges

But it does not insult the God of the Bible, so there would be no civil law in an explicitly Christian nation that would apply.

In an explicitly Christian nation, the sphere of the Church is matters of faith. The worst penalty a Church can administer is excommunication. If one is not a member of a Church, then one is not under the Church’s authority, which is only spiritual.

Anyone in an explicitly Christian nation who is not a member of a Church is only subject to civil law.


18 posted on 06/13/2013 1:05:35 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

http://garynorth.com/philadelphia.pdf

You might find this interesting.
Here is a summary.

http://www.examiner.com/article/a-brief-summary-of-gary-north-s-conspiracy-philadelphia

North’s views are quite different than what I had come to believe the last 20 years.


19 posted on 06/13/2013 1:08:43 PM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: kronos77

Stupid.


20 posted on 06/13/2013 1:12:11 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: kronos77

Quite the turnabout by Mother Russia...


21 posted on 06/13/2013 1:12:57 PM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: kronos77
Does this bill only prevent blasphemy against the Russian Orthodox Church, or does it cover other religions? Within Russia's current borders, there are millions of Muslims and Buddhists, plus a large number of Jews and non-Orthodox Christians, such as Baptists. If this bill protects minority religions against blasphemy, it would provide some equity to all religious believers, which was not the case under the Communists or the Tsars.
22 posted on 06/13/2013 1:23:47 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: gaijin

The corruption in Russia is beyond belief snd far beyond the US.

Everbody in Russia has a dash cam in their car because of the rampant insurance fraud.

They’re ACTUALLY doing to political opponents of the regime in Russia things far worse than what the regime is doing to political opponents, or what people are imagining they are doing to political opponents, here in the US.

It’s hardly the paradise you imagine.

And every time countries like Russia do something you support, it actually hurts your cause in the U.S. because to most sane people in this country Russia isn’t a model for anything.


23 posted on 06/13/2013 1:33:31 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Wallace T.

The Russian regime certainly believes Protestant evangelicals are part of an evil US plot against the regime.


24 posted on 06/13/2013 1:35:05 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: kronos77

Awesome for them.

But as for the United States, well, “when God is ushered out, Satan rushes right in”.


25 posted on 06/13/2013 1:39:23 PM PDT by KStorm (Mere geographical location is what makes some people Americans.)
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To: PlanToDisappear
If you want fines for speech, perhaps you should find a country other than America to call home.

Fortunately, it seems you have a new candidate to your liking.


As we all know, free speech is not an absolute that covers all speech without limits, there are exceptions.

Blasphemy is simply not one of the exceptions under American law.

I know the idea of an explicitly Christian nation is one that most Americans today are completely unfamiliar with and often find abhorrent. But this is only after our educational and religious spheres have been subverted for well over a century, chiefly by various financial interests, to become virtually completely corrupted, and at the core of promoting the total divorce of the civil government from any and all acceptance of the Bible.

The goal of this subversion was so that those spheres would be effectively removed from having their proper effects on the public, so immorality would become widespread and people would replace God with the state. Today people become very upset at the notion of putting the Church on the same level as the state, where each is simply fulfilling a different role. But at the founding of the American nation, these roles - and the fact that it was incumbant upon civil government to be a defender of the faith - had been commonly acknowledged by Christendom since its inception.

Too many people fall for the deception that a Christian nation would force conversion on people, when nothing could be farther from the truth, since no Bible-believing Church or person for that matter holds to the idea of forced conversion, which is explicitly rejected throughout the Bible.

Those who are not Christian but live in an explicity Christian nation are only subject to civil law based on Biblical moral law. Too often today, professing Christians adamantly maintain that Biblical moral law is "too harsh" or "too old-fashioned". It's quite amazing that a profession Christian would reject God's Word.
26 posted on 06/13/2013 1:41:08 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

By that standard, Islam doesn’t insult the God of the Bible either. Allah is Arabic for The God. They regard him as the same God that it’s in the Old and New Testament. They regard Mohammed as a Prophet in the Moses/Jesus vein (obviously not regarding Jesus as divine).


27 posted on 06/13/2013 1:46:30 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Strategerist
The corruption in Russia is beyond belief snd far beyond the US.

That's why I just said wow, and American should do this.

Because I'm not commenting on other issues in Russia that are BIG problems.

They have an oligarchy problem, in the billionaire/KGB sense of the word, and it extends to the Russian Orthodox Church.
28 posted on 06/13/2013 1:51:25 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Borges
By that standard, Islam doesn’t insult the God of the Bible either. Allah is Arabic for The God. They regard him as the same God that it’s in the Old and New Testament. They regard Mohammed as a Prophet in the Moses/Jesus vein (obviously not regarding Jesus as divine).

Proponents of Islam say they worship the same God as Christians, but muslims do not subscribe to the Bible in any meaningful way. Claiming to worship the God of the Bible, but not believing or adhering to the Bible, means the claim is completely false.
29 posted on 06/13/2013 2:20:23 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

There have actually been cases of Muslims claiming the Bible is blasphemous!


30 posted on 06/13/2013 2:26:09 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Muslim nations limit the activities of Christians within their borders very strictly.


31 posted on 06/13/2013 2:39:36 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: MHGinTN

“Even Islam is allowed, because that encompasses religious freedom”


It is only allowed because people keep up the lie that it is a religion instead of, at very best, a hate cult.

As we have Hate Crimes it is obvious we do not afford Hate the protection of the first amendment.

If we don’t change that, there will be nothing to stop the cancer of Islam from spreading until it consumes everyone.


32 posted on 06/13/2013 3:09:40 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Wurlitzer

I am gradually reaching the conclusion that the puppet masters who pull little barry’s regime strings have as their model for globalism to allow Islam to enslave the Middle East, expecting that the people of the M>E> will eventually realize how demonic the political regime of Islam is. Of course, this is deadly to Western Civilization, as proven by the billions of moslems who endorse the blood lust of their radical representatives.


33 posted on 06/13/2013 3:18:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: kronos77

Like us, they have a lot of atheist communists/homos/Islamists/Satanists there who are accustomed to vandalizing and threatening Christians there.

This is really wrong. Punishing radical speech is wrong. But the KGB were the original activists for our radical Left and their causes of destroying families, education and our society.


34 posted on 06/13/2013 3:32:41 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: DIRTYSECRET; kronos77; Natural Law; narses
scared of the muzzies

Dude, have you SEEN what Russia does to Muslim terrorists? Do you have any idea of how frightened the Chechen provence is when any of their Muslims acts up? Putin wears the Cross and the Crucifix. He brings it to any Muslim terrorists who act within Russia. There is no Miranda rights for Muslim terrorists in Russia. No comfy prisons.

There is, however, swift and usually fatal retribution.

35 posted on 06/13/2013 10:36:07 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Strategerist
The corruption in Russia is beyond belief snd far beyond the US.

Negative. While the percent of corrupt transactions in the US is less than some other countries, the sheer magnitude of the corruption puts the Middle East or Russia to shame.

36 posted on 06/13/2013 10:38:49 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Fantastic. Wow. Wow.

America better get this done.

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wow wow is right.

3 years in jail for insulting atheists (as many on FR refer to atheism as a religion).

Somehow, I don’t think that’s what you had in mind.

Oh, what other examples of our first amendment right (given to us by God) would you like squelched?


37 posted on 06/14/2013 9:04:48 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Oh, what other examples of our first amendment right (given to us by God) would you like squelched?

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to once again address this issue. The Constitution is not divinely inspired, only the Bible is.

Us poor Americans have been lead astray, but we can come back to the true path, in fact, it's always best to do that, no matter how far astray we've gone.

This thread talks about this, my post 55 addresses religious freedom.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3031138/posts?q=1&;page=41
38 posted on 06/14/2013 2:17:43 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Yes, you continue to address only the issue you want to address, not the questions posed to you. I’m left thinking that there are no rights you’d not squelch if the exercise of those rights somehow offended your particular conception of Biblical truth.

I’m very pleased that you are free to exercise your religion and to proselytize for it publicly without fear, but a bit confused by US citizens who would want the law of the land to be strictly Biblical (I don’t think I’ve confused your point on this) and not based on our Constitution.


39 posted on 06/15/2013 8:28:20 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

The Constitution does not contain any laws that address morality, i.e., what’s right and wrong, i.e., is it wrong to murder, rape, steal, etc.

God’s Law includes moral law, i.e., it is wrong to murder, rape, steal, etc.

If we exclude the Bible from the laws we enact (man-designed laws), and we do not make reference to the Bible in our laws (simply like “Criminal laws shall not be contradictory to Scripture”, etc.), then our laws are based on people deciding what they want the law to be.

Which happens on a continual basis as legislatures meet.

However, men are born into sin and will typically be corrupt in their passage of bills into law. In fact, in America today, I’d say that is basically always the case.

There is virtually always one small subset of the population, a group or groups, each having a small leadership that runs the group, which is really behind the enactment of a law.

So our laws change constantly. In other words - we are changing our definition of RIGHT and WRONG every day, willy nilly, over time.

Yesterday you could walk your dog, today you need to pick up his poop and put it in a paper bag. Tomorrow, you’ll have to put in into a plastic bag.

We eventually wind up with, basically, the wealthy and powerful can do whatever they please and the poor see their families destroyed because they tried to raise their kids to be good people. In short, totalitarianism, where the law is simply a charade that keeps the powerful in power and everyone else living in tormented slavery. We’re not there yet, but I think many people can see where America is headed.

Another example of what we wind up with is all the laws and regulation related to finance: trillions in dubious debt securities floating around the markets - all managed by people who are the leaders of our society. And yet mom and pop businesses are either locked out of or forced into the capital markets establishment. The Bible addresses all parts of life, and a system of civil laws that is compatible with Scripture forms a perfect moral framework that can inform all areas of law.

Instead, today, we have laws, they just have no required connection at all to any sort of morality other than what can get packed into a law passed in the middle of the night. But see, morality was never addressed in our Constitution. The Preamble says “establish Justice”, but does not specify whose justice, by what standard are we measuring. So today we continue to redefine what justice means with every law passed by a perverse and crooked generation.

If we stop to actually read and logically and objectively analyze the Constitution, instead of merely screaming “Constitution !” as the answer to every question, we arrive at the inescapable conclusion that it leaves every door wide open for the problems we see in America today.

The most common misunderstanding of Biblically-based civil law is that unbelievers would be forced to be Christian and be subject to all sorts of “can’t drink, can’t wear certain clothes”, etc.

This is 100% NOT the case and reflects many misundertandings of the Bible, for example, alcoholic drink consumption is NOT prohibited, including (adding) our own man-made laws and stating or even implying that they are part of Scripture IS prohibited (so arbitrary clothing rules are unscriptural, while the indecent exposure laws we already have would be remain), etc.

Since what we have today in the legal system is rooted in earlier days when Christian influence was greater, it is, in fact, rooted in Scripture. Since so few people really know the Bible and our legal system and its history, few can make the connection for concepts like requiring witness testimony. We’ve just increasingly moved our civil laws away from Scriptural compliance because our Constitution did not formalize any connection to it.


40 posted on 06/15/2013 9:49:08 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Fantastic post! Puts into understandable words what I’ve been coming to understand through a lot of reading lately. I just don’t have it all as organized in my mind yet.

I have lately come to separate in my mind the almost idolatrous reverence for our wonderful yet flawed constitution, from true respect and regard for the people of early colonial times and how they tried to reflect Biblical principles in their state constitutions,charters, and covenants.

I just wish with all my heart and keep fervently praying that we can turn our country back to a free and moral society with a self governed people before we Christians are crushed in complete tyranny.


41 posted on 06/16/2013 2:07:51 PM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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