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Why is the Pope so Popular?
Relevant Magazine ^ | 6/13/13 | Chris Nye

Posted on 06/14/2013 6:42:52 AM PDT by marshmallow

The secret of success that has brought Pope Francis into good graces with evangelicals.

Last Friday morning, the newly elected pope met with Jesuit students of all ages. In a brief Q&A session, a little girl asked Francis if he wanted to be the pope. He made a few jokes before getting serious and flatly saying, “I didn’t want to be pope.”

Ever since his election, Pope Francis has taken a series of actions that seem to be very, well, un-popelike: He used public transportation as a cardinal, he lives in smaller quarters than he could and he asked for a blessing before giving a blessing to the crowd which gathered in St. Peter’s square on the day of his election.

What is stranger than Pope Francis’ actions has been evangelicals’ reactions. Never before has a pope become so widely accepted by Protestants and evangelicals. In a recent Op-Ed for Christianity Today, Timothy George called the new pope, “Our Francis, Too.”

The pope is popular with evangelicals not because he’s doing what they already do, but rather because he is doing what they are not doing but wish to begin doing.

As you look at the stories surrounding the new pope, it’s very difficult to dislike him. Through his actions and his profound, visible humility, Pope Francis has demonstrated a Christ-like character, not only Christ-like rhetoric. And this has brought him respect across the spectrum of Christianity.

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1 posted on 06/14/2013 6:42:53 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

The secret of success that has brought Pope Francis into good graces with evangelicals.


Every egangical I know thinks this pope has gone seriously off the reservation. They were not fans of popes or the concept in the first place, but this guy has made so many quantifiably whacky statements in such a short time that those that take Christianity and the bible seriously (and are not Catholic) have some very foundational problems with what this guy espouses.

I think the Unitarian church members really like him, though.


2 posted on 06/14/2013 6:59:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marshmallow

I would like to posit my own view. I think evangelicals particularly value people who act out of their convictions - out of their faith and are able to convey, in a personal way, how it works, what God has done for them and how they should respond because of it. This Pope is particularly good at that. His faith seems enlivened by knowing Christ not muted by being “religious”.

God is a continuing revelation of goodness, mercy and wonder - He seems to get this and it is thoroughly seen in his response - love for others.

As to the author thinking that they admire what that don’t do - (”because he is doing what they are not doing but wish to begin doing”) - well what a weighty judgement that is to pass on millions of unknown brethren.


3 posted on 06/14/2013 6:59:52 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: marshmallow

I don’t see that this pope is any more popular with evangelicals than the last two. And “Christianity Today” is last place you’d go to pick up on the pulse of evangelical opinion.


4 posted on 06/14/2013 7:04:40 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: All
What is stranger than Pope Francis’ actions has been evangelicals’ reactions. Never before has a pope become so widely accepted by Protestants and evangelicals. In a recent Op-Ed for Christianity Today, Timothy George called the new pope, “Our Francis, Too.” The pope is popular with evangelicals not because he’s doing what they already do, but rather because he is doing what they are not doing but wish to begin doing.

You just keep telling yourself that, if it helps you sleep better at night.

5 posted on 06/14/2013 7:09:57 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: cuban leaf
Every egangical I know

Nuff said.

6 posted on 06/14/2013 7:11:06 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: cuban leaf

I have not studied this guy but there dos seem to be a theme developing out there. Does he seem to be doubting capitalism and free enterprise? If so, he is leading people astray. Capitalism and free enterprise have alleviated poverty, not the other way around. A background as a Catholic priest in Argentina may not be a very good frame of reference to gain insights from.


7 posted on 06/14/2013 7:11:35 AM PDT by Sam Clements
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To: A.A. Cunningham

egangical = evangelical.

Sorry. ;-)


8 posted on 06/14/2013 7:12:20 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Sam Clements

I have not studied this guy but there dos seem to be a theme developing out there.


I’ve just taken his comments one at a time. Some were so contrary to the message of the bible that I assumed they were someone missquoting him or incorrectly paraphrasing, but that was not the case.

The pope is for catholics, just as the head of any religious organization is leader of that particular organization. The only difference is that the pope’s religion gives him a unique divine authority that Christianity rejects.


9 posted on 06/14/2013 7:15:10 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: melsec
Never knew you were an Aussie until I saw your tag line. Know it well. Lived in Perth for four years and was sorry to leave. One of my children was born there.

Always appreciate your balanced, sane insights......:-)

10 posted on 06/14/2013 7:15:17 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: cuban leaf
They were not fans of popes or the concept in the first place, but this guy has made so many quantifiably whacky statements in such a short time that those that take Christianity and the bible seriously (and are not Catholic) have some very foundational problems with what this guy espouses.

Although technically not a babyboomer, Francis is the first of his kind to reach the top level of the church hierarchy.

He is the embodiment of the "Spirit of 60s" Vatican 2 religiosity.

For now, and perhaps the next 1-2 popes are going to be just like like him.

This is the hour that the "Church of Nice" reaches its pinnacle

11 posted on 06/14/2013 7:15:35 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: marshmallow
The pope is popular with evangelicals not because he’s doing what they already do, but rather because he is doing what they are not doing but wish to begin doing.

The person who wrote this is completely DELUDED.

12 posted on 06/14/2013 7:20:06 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: cuban leaf
I’ve just taken his comments one at a time.

Have you read what he actually said or do you take things through a DLEMM filter?

13 posted on 06/14/2013 7:25:03 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Lera

My theory is that it has something to do with the secret sauce in Catholicism!


14 posted on 06/14/2013 7:25:52 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Have you read what he actually said or do you take things through a DLEMM filter?


I’ve read what he actually said. That was what I was clearly communicating in my post when I said, “Some were so contrary to the message of the bible that I assumed they were someone missquoting him or incorrectly paraphrasing, but that was not the case.” In the post you partially quoted.


15 posted on 06/14/2013 7:28:07 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marshmallow

**“Our Francis, Too.”**

What do the evangelicals here on FR say?


16 posted on 06/14/2013 7:35:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cuban leaf; A.A. Cunningham

AAC, you forgot that cuban leaf both speaks Italian fluently and has absolutely no agenda.


17 posted on 06/14/2013 7:36:47 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: cuban leaf

What sort of things has he said that makes evangelicals think he’s off the reservation?


18 posted on 06/14/2013 7:43:00 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: cuban leaf

-— this guy has made so many quantifiably whacky statements in such a short time ——

Just make sure that you’re judging the stuff between quotation marks, and not the paraphrasing.

For some reason, Protestants, who are generally skeptical of the media, become very credulous regarding media reports of papal statements.


19 posted on 06/14/2013 7:49:13 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: circlecity

“I don’t see that this pope is any more popular with evangelicals than the last two”

John Paul I was only pope for one month. Not enough time to be popular.


20 posted on 06/14/2013 7:50:18 AM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: marshmallow

I am an Evangelical and I like Francis. He is a good guy.


21 posted on 06/14/2013 7:55:14 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: jimmyo57
"John Paul I was only pope for one month. Not enough time to be popular."

So? My statement didn't include him.

22 posted on 06/14/2013 7:57:55 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: wideawake

AAC, you forgot that cuban leaf both speaks Italian fluently and has absolutely no agenda.


Two things:
1. All people have an agenda. Even the one, single perfect man does. Saying I have an agenda is like saying I am a human bean.
2. I don’t speak italian fluently. That does not preclude me from having an opinion on the reasonable english translation of the pope’s words, be they in Italian, Spanish, Portugese or Swahili.


23 posted on 06/14/2013 7:58:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: dangus

The main ones involve his interpretation of Grace. And not coincidentally, Grace is THE main thing that separates Christianity from all the man made religions.


24 posted on 06/14/2013 7:59:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Salvation
What do the evangelicals here on FR say?

I for one both admire and appreciate Pope Francis.

Full disclosure: I have a lifetime of experience in the Evangelical world; born & raised in a conservative Baptist church; educated in Evangelical schools; earned Ph.D. and taught at Evangelical college; many published books on bible & theology topics; former missionary.

The above doesn't make me one whit better than any other Christian. I mention is solely because there are some on this forum who assume that a "true" Christian who "knew what the Bible says" wouldn't have anything to do with "popism" (who is probably the Antichrist anyway).

I like how Francis talks about having a simple faith in Christ, which for me is the heart of Christianity. Would that we could "agree to disagree" on non-essentials and appreciate those who come from a different background.

25 posted on 06/14/2013 8:01:08 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: dangus

The main ones involve his interpretation of Grace. And not coincidentally, Grace is THE main thing that separates Christianity from all the man made religions.

Here is a thread:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3023264/posts


26 posted on 06/14/2013 8:01:50 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Sam Clements
I have not studied this guy but there dos seem to be a theme developing out there. Does he seem to be doubting capitalism and free enterprise?

I have also been taken aback by some of his comments that sound sort of socialistic. "the voice of the poor", "if you throw away food you are stealing from the poor", etc.

Then I think what is the best way to help the poor?
Capitalism and free enterprise has helped the poor more than any system of government. Socialist countries often use the poor as their excuse to rob the rich but they never really help the poor.

So the Pope is pointing out a problem but he is not saying how to go about solving it. Which is entirely correct because he deals in faith and morals in pointing out the misery of the poor. He does not discuss governmental systems which are the probable solution to lifting them out of poverty.

27 posted on 06/14/2013 8:01:54 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: buffaloguy

I’m an atheist, and I like Francis.


28 posted on 06/14/2013 8:02:04 AM PDT by Publius
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Just make sure that you’re judging the stuff between quotation marks, and not the paraphrasing.


That is why I made that clear in my post.

I’ve been burned too many times on FR back in the 2000’s by believing a paraphrase of someone’s words. When I see a headline about someone like the pope saying something they should never say, I’ve learned that most of the time it is someone just misinterpretting his words. It’s why I not only looked for the original translation of his comments but also the the context.

Sometimes people (even the pope) really do just misspeak.


29 posted on 06/14/2013 8:04:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Publius
I’m an atheist, and I like Francis.

Bravo! I suspect that Francis would very kindly encourage you to be open to Faith.

30 posted on 06/14/2013 8:09:33 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: cuban leaf

Oh, OK.

FYI, The Vatican saw such press coverage in Catholic sources and was mortified. The Pope said that Catholics can work with atheists to accomplish good works, not that such works merit salvation. When he said, “[w]e will meet one another there,” he meant where good works are done, not in Heaven.


31 posted on 06/14/2013 8:12:27 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: dangus

Which misses the whole point of works regarding salvation.

And salvation is why Jesus was born.


32 posted on 06/14/2013 8:14:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Publius

Me too.


33 posted on 06/14/2013 8:15:59 AM PDT by stormer
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To: tjd1454

**a simple faith in Christ**

Amen!


34 posted on 06/14/2013 8:18:19 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cuban leaf

Right... that’s my point: he wasn’t talking about salvation, merely cooperating with non-believers. I would, however, argue, that such cooperation may be a starting point for conversion.


35 posted on 06/14/2013 8:46:26 AM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: jimmyo57

The last 2 popes were John Paul II and Benedict. John Paul I preceded John Paul II.


36 posted on 06/14/2013 8:47:38 AM PDT by dmz
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To: marshmallow

The current Pope is popular with both liberals and conservatives—with liberals because he is a liberal; with conservatives because he is the Pope and everything he does or says is interpreted as “conservative.”


37 posted on 06/14/2013 9:13:36 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: cuban leaf; dangus
It would be a mischaracterization to say that Pope Francis believes in salvation by works or salvation without knowing Christ.
Jesus died and was raised for them as well. His redemptive embrace was for all, not just a chosen few.The choice to accept its reach is our own. The Holy Father was not teaching anything new. In fact, this hope that all who do not yet know God are not only capable of doing good - but will progress toward that knowledge of God by doing good - is ancient. The Church wants all men and women to be saved.
This is the same as the prayer on Good Friday:
Let us pray also for those who do not believe in Christ,that, enlightened by the Holy Spirit,they, too, may enter on the way of salvation. Almighty ever-living God,grant to those who do not confess Christ that, by walking before you with a sincere heart, they may find the truth and that we ourselves, being constant in mutual love and striving to understand more fully the mystery of your life, may be made more perfect witnesses to your love in the world. Through Christ our Lord.

38 posted on 06/14/2013 9:15:57 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: marshmallow

I worked with an elderly priest for many years.He was very popular.His motto was “Keep it simple”Pope reminds me of him.


39 posted on 06/14/2013 9:22:02 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: D-fendr

This is the same as the prayer on Good Friday


Only on good Friday? And what do you mean by *the* prayer?

I remember praying a lot for the Berlin wall to come down. I didn’t pick a particular day to pray, though. I gotta admit when I answered that prayer my jaw dropped.


40 posted on 06/14/2013 10:21:47 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

It’s part of the Mass Propers for Lent. One of the prayers for Good Friday.

Of course one may pray for atheists or offer special intentions for them at other times.


41 posted on 06/14/2013 10:58:10 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: circlecity

My apologies! Forget Benedict, getting old!


42 posted on 06/14/2013 11:25:00 AM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: circlecity

<....”Christianity Today” is last place you’d go to pick up on the pulse of evangelical opinion.”....>

You are sooooo right about that!


43 posted on 06/14/2013 11:33:23 AM PDT by caww
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To: Salvation

Nope...he’s not mine. Though I think he’s doing more to clear out the junk in the Vatican. I respect anyone who goes after the bad guys....he seems to be willing to do that.


44 posted on 06/14/2013 11:41:09 AM PDT by caww
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To: ClaytonP
Although technically not a babyboomer

You might be taking this boomer thing entirely too seriously. There isn't some universal, global, genetic mutation related to being born from 1946 to 1964.

Francis was born in 1936, in Argentina, where by law the President and vice-president of the nation had to be members of the Catholic denomination, and he was teaching high school (in Argentina) by 1964, I don't think that he has anything to do with being a "boomer".

45 posted on 06/14/2013 1:14:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: cuban leaf

I also have concerns about some things he has said; sometimes things he doesn’t say/leaves out.

For example, his “Atheists are Redeemed” homily was unclear on whether atheists are *saved* by failing to mention more about the Church’s teaching on their salvation and by calling them children of God of the *first class*. It’s no wonder that so many didn’t get what he was saying.

And I’m Catholic. Of course, other Catholics take issue with my concerns and I wouldn’t be able to make these comments on certain Catholic websites, but it is how I feel. I wish he would stick with stronger homilies that make it very clear that he is Pope of the Catholic Church, not the “Wishy Washy Church of Nice”.

I don’t want a “popular” Pope.


46 posted on 06/14/2013 1:46:44 PM PDT by piusv
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To: dangus

And did you know that the Vatican official (Fr. Rosica) who “clarified” his comments called “original sin” *so-called* original sin.

Um, since when is original sin a question? Since when is it no longer a Church truth?


47 posted on 06/14/2013 1:52:08 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

If you have no enemies, you’re not doing anything. ;-)


48 posted on 06/14/2013 1:52:49 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

EXACTAMUNDO.


49 posted on 06/14/2013 1:53:50 PM PDT by piusv
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To: cuban leaf

“I’ve just taken his comments one at a time. Some were so contrary to the message of the bible”

You mean like feeding the poor and not thinking you are better than someone else? Yea, really revolutionary thoughts there. Can’t find them anywhere in the Bible.


50 posted on 06/14/2013 5:15:16 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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