Posted on 06/14/2013 1:02:47 PM PDT by Colofornian
The Word of God clearly teaches that in the last days just before the return of Christ for the saints there will be a falling away from the Truth...
...The words “falling away” in this text are old English words for an abandonment, a defection, a desertion or a departure from one’s faith. It is a forsaking of something once believed.
An apostasy or falling away is leaving the principles of one’s faith as set forth in the Word of God and either compromising them or clearly abandoning them. In the Word of God, the words “falling away” is the same in the Greek text, the Textus Receptus. We get the word apostasy from that word and the Authorized Version of the Word of God uses the term falling away. The apostle Paul tells the church in Thessalonica that in the last days, preceding Christ’s return for the saints, there will be a great falling away from the Truth once believed. Many will be affected by that apostasy.
An apostate is one who has rejected God’s Word and no longer accepts it. A truly saved person cannot become a full blown apostate. According to Romans Chapter One, one who continues to reject the Truth can become a reprobate. A reprobate is one who has been rejected by God. In 2 Timothy 3:8, we see...those who did reject the Truth and were finally rejected by God and became reprobate with no hope. In Titus 1:16, we see an example of some who professed to know God but whose works denied Him. A reprobate is one who has rejected the Truth and continued to fall away to a place of no return. The apostate or reprobate is then abandoned by God with no possible chance of ever being saved.
(Excerpt) Read more at baptistpillar.com ...
Yup. West went South.
The pdf version is the first "PPT" listed in this Google search: Cycle of Apostasy pdf among other search listings
Did bashing mormons get too boring for you? Now you have to bash Baptists.
Um, this is a PRO-Baptist site referenced. The "Baptist apostasy" refers to the falling away from Baptist doctrine.
Many true believers are being effected by the apostasy of these last days. It is true they are not apostates, but they are being neutralized by apostate tendencies. They are being swept along in the flood tide of the denials of the age. They are no longer the “salt of the earth.” They have lost their savor. Many have developed a system of compromise and denial, which sounds very convincing. But apostasy is apostasy.Our forefathers stood by the Truth, and so should we. We must not abandon it for convenience or for temporary peace with the world.
How is this "bashing" Baptists?
How often do you open your keyboard's mouth minus actually reading anything of a posted article, driftdiver?
As FWDude says, this is a Baptist site from which it was pulled. It's trying to pre-empt Baptists from apostasying -- and to recall some of those who have -- yet recognizing some who are "reprobate" are lost forever.
It cites Paul's passage in 2 Thess how many will apostasize in the end times.
So what? Will you accuse the Bible of "bashing" all those who will apostatize?
Will I accuse the Bible? lol
ROTFLMAO
Is that ex-mormon logic?
I have a BA in Bible from an Assembly of God University and MA in Christian Counseling from a Fundamentalist Baptist College. As an ordained Southern Baptist, I consider myself extremely conservative in theology, as well as in the political arena. Many, if not most in the SBC would consider me radical and far right. I see many problems, yes even apostasy in much of the modern day church, and am quick to point it out. With that said, from my personal experience, many who are fanatical in the arena of King James Version only can border on being almost cultic at heart. I am yet to find a KJV only fanatic provide me with chapter and verse which demonstrates the KJV is the only version that can truly defined as the word of God. Are there some poor versions of the Scripture — you bet they are! I also believe there are some versions which are equally divine, and perhaps a couple that are better for those who read modern day English.
The parable of the seed sower is instructive.
Mathew 13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”
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18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”
What? No apology for your ill-founded assumption in your previous post? Instead, what? You launch into a second one? (That I am a former Mormon)
Sorry. But I've never been a Mormon; though am a descendent of one.
Would not such an interpretation of this scripture reference imply that the gates of hell have indeed prevailed against Christ’s church?
Would this not break scripture?
The proper interpretation of the phrase from the original Greek reads more like “snatched away” or “caught up”.
The proper interpretation of the passage in question is a reference to the rapture.
The same concept or teaching, namely that the tribulation period does not begin (anti-christ revealed) until the Holy Spirit removes Himself from earth, appears MULTIPLE times in scripture.
The teaching that your scripture reference is somehow a contradiction of Jesus’s promise to Peter relies SOLELY upon this single phrase or passage.
I don’t care how many degrees you got... Your teaching fails the confirmation test. (scripture confirms scripture)
I guess Paul would be considered a "basher" since he (and God) was pretty clear to not accept ANOTHER Gospel...even if an ANGEL (sound familiar) brings it.
IN the early 1900’s, when the Communists began persecuting churches in Russia, the average church fell from 300 attendees to 15. That’s a 95% falling away that was repeated in the persecution of the satellite countries. It will repeat itself here in the USA during Hillary’s administration.
Apparently you jump to conclusions.
You can’t “fall from Grace” when you have been truly saved by God (not of yourself).
Grace is fully dependent upon God, cannot (nor will not) be revoked, and is the opposite of works.
2 Thess. 2 does not say the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth, you are reading a pretrib rapture into the scripture.
If “apostasy” is supposed to mean a departure from earth (in a pretrib rapture), instead of a departure from the the faith, why is it nobody in church history interpreted the way you do until the rise of pretribulationism in the early 19th century?
None of the ECF (Early Church Fathers) understood “apostasy” to mean a pretrib rapture. And they knew Greek very well, I would dare say better than you.
Justin Martyr, for instance, said the antichrist would be “the man of apostasy.” The context supports Justin I would say.
>>> If “apostasy” is supposed to mean a departure from earth (in a pretrib rapture), instead of a departure from the the faith, why is it nobody in church history interpreted the way you do until the rise of pretribulationism in the early 19th century?
Well... maybe because there weren’t many bibles around???
Check your history on that.
Pre-trib rapture is taught best I think through the tradition of Jewish courtship, engagement, and the marriage ceremony.
There are several scriptures which give evidence that when Jesus returns to earth for everyone to see, He does so with the saints. All born again Christians fall into that category.
Yes, grace IS the opposite of works.
Question: Was God ever a gracious Host to Lucifer and angels-turned-demons in heaven? (If so, how then was God's role as a gracious Host ever revoked -- if what you say was "so"?)
You can’t “fall from Grace” when you have been truly saved by God (not of yourself).
Hebrews 6:4-6: 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
See Former Mormon Agrees With Baptist Minister That 'Mormonism Is a 'Cult'
What do you all think of Baptists who join known cults?
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