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Under the Roman Sky (film details heroic efforts of Pius XII to save Jews of Rome from the Nazis)
The American Catholic ^ | Donald R. McClarey

Posted on 06/15/2013 4:03:11 PM PDT by NYer

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To: ansel12
If you wish to turn the thread to protestant vs. Catholic vote, it's more on topic to look at that vote in bringing Hitler to power in 1932.

Elevation shows the Catholic/Protestant mix (higher = more Catholics) and colour shows Nazi vote share (more red = higher Nazi share of the vote).

So low and red would mean Protestant Nazi votes; high and green would be Catholic not-Nazi votes.

101 posted on 06/16/2013 7:00:18 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: jjotto

Excellent insight. Dictating lifestyle and policy to someone isn’t gentler because it’s Christian-based.


102 posted on 06/16/2013 7:01:55 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ansel12

Manu Ginobili of the Spurs is an Argentinian of Italian descent, just like our current Pontiff. Also, both San Antonio and Miami are home to millions of hispanic Catholics. The thread was initially about the Pope, and you want to make it about latinos. In my mind that makes it a fair question.

So, Spurs or Heat? I As a long-suffering Pacers fan, I like the Spurs myself.


103 posted on 06/16/2013 7:04:58 PM PDT by HoosierDammit (St. Vincent de Paul, pray for us!)
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To: HoosierDammit

The Heat celebrated that thug, Trayvon.

Spurs all the way!


104 posted on 06/16/2013 7:06:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: D-fendr

I noticed that some did seem to desire that and it seems that you do, but not me, read the thread.


105 posted on 06/16/2013 7:10:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12
Why do so many protestants favor Nazis?

Is it the snazzy uniforms of the cool military salute?

106 posted on 06/16/2013 7:13:25 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: ansel12

I have read it, that’s why I made my last post.


107 posted on 06/16/2013 7:13:38 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Post 9 was in response to post 8 that describes situations or history in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, Asia and Latin America, Mexico, Africa and the Middle East, China, North Korea, Vietnam, and Cambodia, that I disagreed with and that encompassed my father’s and mine, and my brother’s time in the military, and my nation’s engagement in combat in almost all those areas.

Responding to post 8 made sense, but I think it is right to point out that other posters got way off topic when they tried to get overly involved in Mexican history.

They even avoided the relevant question of which countries were supposed to send their Army’s to Mexico, and why, and if Mexico needed to be invaded, then perhaps the many Catholic nations south of it could have invaded, or perhaps the Catholic nations of Spain, or France could have gone to help.

America did it’s part by taking in hundreds of thousands of refugees from their Catholic nation of Mexico during that period.


108 posted on 06/16/2013 7:16:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: D-fendr

A very enlightening and useful map. Thanks for sharing!


109 posted on 06/16/2013 7:17:36 PM PDT by HoosierDammit (St. Vincent de Paul, pray for us!)
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To: ansel12

Sorry, but it is obvious to me that the one sure way not to go off topic is not to go off topic.


110 posted on 06/16/2013 7:26:19 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Posts 4 and 8 required response and correction in my view, there is no reason to encourage misleading or false information at FR, especially anti-American information insulting to American veterans and patriots.

Being “off topic” seems to be pretty selective and aimed at one person.


111 posted on 06/16/2013 7:34:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

I’m done with this thread.


112 posted on 06/16/2013 7:39:01 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: NYer

Pius XII was not the forceful voice that I believe was needed at that grave moment in history.

He should have spent half his speeches condemning Hitler as Cicero condemned Mark Antony 200 years prior. But Pius XII was far more cowardly than Cicero, and too many Catholics make excuses for him.


113 posted on 06/17/2013 11:13:19 AM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: ansel12
our only American ‘President for life’

My father lovingly tagged FDR as "King Franklin The First."

114 posted on 06/17/2013 11:17:13 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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