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Southern Baptists: Agree to Disagree over Calvinism
The Washington Post ^ | 6/11/13 | Adelle M. Banks

Posted on 06/17/2013 6:59:32 AM PDT by marshmallow

Can’t we all just get along?

That was the question that Southern Baptists, torn between Calvinists and non-Calvinists, seemed to be asking as they opened their two-day annual meeting in Houston.

Frank Page, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Executive Committee, created a 19-member advisory committee that produced a report in time for the meeting called “Truth, Trust and Testimony.”

Southern Baptists have been divided over Calvinism since their denomination began in 1845, but Page said Monday (June 10) that disagreements had reached a tipping point.

“The truth is, I see an anti-Calvinism now that frightens me; it’s a vitriol that is nasty,” he said, adding he also has friends who were concerned about “extreme Calvinists.” ‘’So it was my opinion that we need to deal with this. . Trust is hitting a new low.”

Calvinism, based on the teachings of 16th-century Protestant Reformer John Calvin, differs from traditional Baptist theology in key aspects, particularly on the role of human free will and whether God chooses only the “elect” for salvation.

The 3,200-word report calls for mutual respect among the differing factions, saying opponents should talk to each other rather than about each other, especially on social media. Churches and would-be pastors also need to be honest about whether they embrace or shun Calvinism, it said.

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Agree to disagree......the Protestant "authority problem" in a nutshell.

In the absence of any divinely instituted human ecclesiastical authority with competence to rule in this matter, this is the inevitable result. Either this or a rupture.

Both sides will claim the authority of Scripture. Yet they're stuck at an impasse. And where is truth to be found in all of this? Why, in Scripture of course. We simply have different understandings of its meaning so we'll "agree to disagree". Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Is God a God of confusion, compromise or ambiguity? Is there more than one Church, one truth?

No, the ecclesial model here is mortally flawed.

1 posted on 06/17/2013 6:59:32 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
No, the ecclesial model here is mortally flawed. If it wasn't for all those sinners in the pews, church wouldn't be a bad place at all...:-)
2 posted on 06/17/2013 7:04:14 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: marshmallow

Well my Church is perfect because some man said so.


3 posted on 06/17/2013 7:05:34 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

My my church was imperfect because I said so -


4 posted on 06/17/2013 7:11:18 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: marshmallow

God knew you’d post this


5 posted on 06/17/2013 7:11:59 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: marshmallow

And the waffeling that Rome has demonstrated over the last 2000 years?


6 posted on 06/17/2013 7:14:57 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." ¬óR.C. Sproul)
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...and I'be bookmarked it.

Once bookmarked, always bookmarked...

7 posted on 06/17/2013 7:18:42 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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No, the ecclesial model here is mortally flawed.

I've been saying that for years. In before the thread hijack.

8 posted on 06/17/2013 7:19:17 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o; Gamecock
In before the thread hijack.

Too late.

9 posted on 06/17/2013 7:22:31 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Revelation 911

My church was perfect until someone showed up to worship. Oh wait the church is the people, argh now I’m confused.


10 posted on 06/17/2013 7:23:43 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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And the waffeling that Rome has demonstrated over the last 2000 years?

It was predestined you would write that.

11 posted on 06/17/2013 7:25:53 AM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: marshmallow

Europeans love having an authority to rule over them. But that simply isn’t Baptist. Baptists go to the word, approach god directly without a human intermediary required, and do not have any centralized structure.

The Southern Baptist convention has no power over any church. Each church may associate with them to share in mission funding, etc. But Baptists have happily fought off that European and foreign impulse to resemble a typical European monarchy.

And Calvin even Baptized infants! Baptists of course do not. Nor do they burn people at the stake as Calvin and some others have done while searching for heresy and witches.


12 posted on 06/17/2013 7:25:54 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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What Christians should be looking at...is what will our reaction be...when the feds show up to close our churches. This is at most twenty years away.


13 posted on 06/17/2013 7:30:46 AM PDT by kjo (+)
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To: marshmallow

Just another example of what separates religion from Christianity.

There is only one name in which we can be saved, and it is not Calvin, Luther or even Peter, it is Christ.


14 posted on 06/17/2013 7:37:27 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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You are pretty close I think. The revolutionary socialist American government wants them to be a version of the church in the USSR era. They want to remove them utterly from the public arena, and use what cannot be rooted out as a method of people control.

But they have over reached already and will not make that 20 years without a fight they cannot win. So I think we will not see that day that the government closes churches here, (though they wish they could).


15 posted on 06/17/2013 7:39:38 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: marshmallow
"Calvinism, based on the teachings of 16th-century Protestant Reformer John Calvin, differs from traditional Baptist theology in key aspects, particularly on the role of human free will and whether God chooses only the “elect” for salvation."

If that's the test then St. Augustine was clearly a "Calvinist".

16 posted on 06/17/2013 7:40:40 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: ravenwolf

“There is only one name in which we can be saved, and it is not Calvin, Luther or even Peter, it is Christ.”

Well stated.


17 posted on 06/17/2013 7:40:50 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: don-o

“I’ve been saying that for years. In before the thread hijack.”

I don’t get it. Did the poster actually not expect discussion and dissent?


18 posted on 06/17/2013 7:43:01 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: ravenwolf

Amen and AMEN!

God is the one who justifies. Who is he that condemns?


19 posted on 06/17/2013 7:51:24 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: marshmallow

You have stated the obvious and the issue. It reminds me of things territorial and tribal when all the various Christian doctrines and churches might some day be sitting in conference. I think I would pay for a ticket to see, because unless something changes dramatically, they will not all be able to agree in doctrine and so in some ways will never be able to come together, without of course that dramatic change.

Far better I think to agree in principle that we are a Christian nation, those early pioneers coming here for liberty, freedom, and the good word of God. Far better to get our stuff together along those lines than suffer the consequences of a religious fight being divided along doctrinal lines and watching the nation collapse because we the “church” were not united. I would say the “church” is going to be all that saves this nation, it certainly won’t be government.


20 posted on 06/17/2013 7:54:08 AM PDT by wita
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