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Why Some Scientists Embrace the ‘Multiverse’
National Review ^ | 06/18/2013 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 06/18/2013 5:22:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Last week, in Nice, France, I was privileged to participate along with 30 scholars, mostly scientists and mathematicians, in a conference on the question of whether the universe was designed, or at least fine-tuned, to make life, especially intelligent life. Participants — from Yale, Princeton, Harvard, Berkeley, and Columbia, among other American and European universities — included believers in God, agonistics, and atheists.

It was clear that the scientific consensus was that, at the very least, the universe is exquisitely fine-tuned to allow for the possibility of life. It appears that we live in a “Goldilocks universe,” in which both the arrangement of matter at the cosmic beginning and the values of various physical parameters — such as the speed of light, the strength of gravitational attraction, and the expansion rate of the universe — are just right for life. And unless one is frightened of the term, it also appears the universe is designed for biogenesis and human life.

Regarding fine-tuning, one could write a book just citing the arguments for it made by some of the most distinguished scientists in the world. Here is just a tiny sample, collated by physicist Gerald Schroeder, who holds a Ph.D. from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, where he later taught physics.

Michael Turner, astrophysicist at the University of Chicago and Fermilab: “The precision is as if one could throw a dart across the entire universe and hit a bullseye one millimeter in diameter on the other side.” Paul Davies, professor of theoretical physics at Adelaide University: “The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge, and would be total chaos if any of the natural ‘constants’ were off even slightly.

Roger Penrose, the Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford, writes that the likelihood of the universe having usable energy (low entropy) at its creation is “one part out of ten to the power of ten to the power of 123.” That is “a million billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion zeros.”

Steven Weinberg, recipient of the Nobel Prize in Physics, and an anti-religious agnostic, notes that “the existence of life of any kind seems to require a cancellation between different contributions to the vacuum energy, accurate to about 120 decimal places.” As the website explains, “This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:

1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

But instead:

1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

There would be no life of any sort in the entire universe.”

Unless one is a closed-minded atheist (there are open-minded atheists), it is not valid on a purely scientific basis to deny that the universe is improbably fine-tuned to create life, let alone intelligent life.

Additionally, it is atheistic dogma, not science, to dismiss design as unscientific. The argument that science cannot suggest that intelligence comes from intelligence or design from an intelligent designer is simply a tautology. It is dogma masquerading as science.

And now, many atheist scientists have inadvertently provided logical proof of this.

They have put forward the notion of a multiverse — the idea that there are many, perhaps an infinite number of, other universes. This idea renders meaningless the fine-tuning and, of course, the design arguments. After all, with an infinite number of universes, a universe with parameters friendly to intelligent life is more likely to arise somewhere by chance.

But there is not a shred of evidence of the existence of these other universes — nor could there be, since contact with another universe is impossible.

Therefore, only one conclusion can be drawn: The fact that atheists have resorted to the multiverse argument constitutes a tacit admission that they have lost the argument about design in this universe. The evidence in this universe for design — or, if you will, the fine-tuning that cannot be explained by chance or by “enough time” — is so compelling that the only way around it is to suggest that our universe is only one of an infinite number of universes.

Honest atheists — scientists and lay people — must now acknowledge that science itself argues overwhelmingly for a Designing Intelligence. And honest believers must acknowledge that the existence of a Designing Intelligence is not necessarily the same as the existence of benevolent God.

To posit the existence of a Creator requires only reason. To posit the existence of a good God requires faith.

—​ Dennis Prager is a nationally syndicated radio talk-show host and columnist. His most recent book is Still the Best Hope: Why the World Needs American Values to Triumph. He is the founder of Prager University and may be contacted at dennisprager.com.


TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Religion & Science; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: faith; god; multiverse; universe
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1 posted on 06/18/2013 5:22:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

have they pronounced the universe gay, yet?


2 posted on 06/18/2013 5:35:38 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: SeekAndFind

An empty universe is terrifying, so they invent infinite ones to make each action they make and the thousands of “mirrors” to magnify their existence.


3 posted on 06/18/2013 5:41:38 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: SeekAndFind

they can figure down to the last atom, how the universe was formed and what happened before, during and after the big bang, including any other membranes, strings and other universes....

but there is know way of making a cogent argument against the existence of a creator....or proof that there is for that matter. it is faith and there is no way to measure it.

why cant they just keep their (lack of)believe system to themselves unless they have solid proof...which they can’t.


4 posted on 06/18/2013 5:45:31 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"The fact that atheists have resorted to the multiverse argument constitutes a tacit admission that they have lost the argument about design in this universe"

Um... no it doesn't. I disagree with the atheists 100% but this statement is logical fallacy, X does not mean therefore Y.

We cant be intellectually honest and let our side get away with statements like that. Just because the other side screams "yer mother wears army boots" does not mean our argument is correct, is just means THEY have no argument.

5 posted on 06/18/2013 5:46:09 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Prager's argument is an epic fail as it transposes cause and effect. We are not here because the Universe is perfectly tuned for life...the Universe is perfectly tuned for life BECAUSE WE ARE HERE.

If the Universe were arranged any other way, nobody would exist to discuss it. Look up "The Anthropic Cosmological Principle".

6 posted on 06/18/2013 5:53:30 AM PDT by 10mm
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To: SeekAndFind

The “Multiverse” theory is just a newer variant of the old “a million monkeys typing for a million years could produce the works of Shakespeare” argument.

“Hope & Change”

Anything to keep from having to acknowledge God.


7 posted on 06/18/2013 5:55:41 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: windcliff; stylecouncilor

Faith & science bump....


8 posted on 06/18/2013 5:57:56 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind

The more they deny the existence of GOD, the more mystical they get. Doesn’t make sense.


9 posted on 06/18/2013 5:58:59 AM PDT by Dallas59 (Q: The worst president in US history?)
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To: BwanaNdege

I think the multiverse is in a closet somewhere sitting next to “dark matter”.


10 posted on 06/18/2013 6:00:58 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

searching for “evidence of multiverse” generates 382,000 hits


11 posted on 06/18/2013 6:03:57 AM PDT by tanstaafl44 (ghod does not take attendance)
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To: tbw2

-—An empty universe is terrifying

You might do well to read about the
“House of Mirrors” concept in Psychology.

http://www.theemotionmachine.com/consciousness-is-a-house-of-mirrors


12 posted on 06/18/2013 6:16:13 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: 10mm

For me personally, Anthropic principles fail to explain why our universe is in one such fine-tuned state, when “all things being equal”, it was much more likely to develop into chaos.

The multiverse hypothesis is a contrived attempt to reconcile our elegant reality with blind chance, at odds with our universal observation that reality follows one path or another, but not all paths.

I think a more obvious solution to the enigma is that all things are NOT EQUAL, and that the path that results in life was preferred from the beginning.

Anthropic principles attempt to mask this blatantly teleological principle with the language of probability, illogically “proving” the a priori necessity of the cause from the a posteriori necessity of the effect.

When this faulty logic is removed, we are once again left with pure teleology: the universe was made for man.


13 posted on 06/18/2013 6:18:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you for this.


14 posted on 06/18/2013 6:31:35 AM PDT by frog in a pot ("To each according to his need..." This from a guy who never had a real job and his family starved.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Belief in multiverse requires faith, as there is no proof of multiple universes. What a tangled web they are weaving all in the name of dispelling faith.


15 posted on 06/18/2013 6:46:47 AM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

If there are enough universes in the “multiverse”, at least one might be the Secular Utopia they all dream about.


16 posted on 06/18/2013 6:48:13 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: SeekAndFind

bookmark


17 posted on 06/18/2013 7:02:55 AM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: 10mm

No, you miss the point. First and foremost, we are here, I had to be at work by 8:30, so, we do exist. Acknowledging that we exist, you start to focus in on the window of parameters that must exist for us to be. As the article says, for that to happen by chance, would be like to hit a 1mm bullseye from across the universe (it does not say whether the thrower was actually targeting the bullseye or not). So, because we are here, and because all of the parameters have to be so finely tuned that it eliminates “tuning by chance”, the only alternative is that the “fine tuning” was designed.


18 posted on 06/18/2013 7:21:11 AM PDT by job
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To: SeekAndFind

There is only one universe. When a scientists talks about a ‘universe’ that is impossible to verify through experience, the scientist is no longer acting as a scientist, but as someone with a mission - destroy the possibility of creation.

They decry faith, but this is faith - “there’s another universe out there, but there is absolutely no way to communicate with it, to see it, or to have any proof at all of its existence. You’ll have to take my word for it”

Get over it. The universe is as it is, perfect, and no man on earth can explain it.


19 posted on 06/18/2013 7:23:22 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: theBuckwheat

I love this stuff. It equates to thinking about thinking, The unverse is jello. It is not many things. It is one thing. Touch it at any point and it quivers throughout, albeit infinetesimally.
We are part of the whole which blinked into existence at the whim of its creator and will, assuredly, blink out either at his will or when he is otherwise distracted.


20 posted on 06/18/2013 7:26:05 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: SeekAndFind

At the very least, the universe is exquisitely fine-tuned.
About as much as TNT.


21 posted on 06/18/2013 7:28:36 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind

Would anyone have ever come up with an unprovable “theory” like the multverse if they weren’t just trying to avoid the inescapeable implications of the anthropic priciple? (ie. the fine tuning of the universe.) I think we all know the answer to that.


22 posted on 06/18/2013 7:53:03 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind
The 2001 Principle
23 posted on 06/18/2013 8:04:13 AM PDT by Heartlander (Practice makes perfect if you mess up a few letters)
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To: SeekAndFind

“But there is not a shred of evidence of the existence of these other universes — nor could there be, since contact with another universe is impossible.”

I find it extremely ironic that the only way atheists can explain away the existence of a supernatural creation is to put faith in something else that is completely unobservable.


24 posted on 06/18/2013 8:06:53 AM PDT by Boogieman
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… the naturalist believes that beneath every natural phenomenon there exists yet another natural phenomenon. If explanation by reference to an endless stack of large turtles is silly, then an explanation by reference to an endless stack of natural phenomena would be equally so. The naturalist's answer for the origin of life, therefore, is some natural phenomenon. (Which one is not particularly relevant.) When you ask them how that natural phenomenon came to be, their response boils down to: "It's natural phenomena all the way down!"
-Pete Chadwell

25 posted on 06/18/2013 8:15:19 AM PDT by Heartlander (Practice makes perfect if you mess up a few letters)
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To: 10mm

That is the argument of the Bible. That man is engaged in a conversation with the Creator.


26 posted on 06/18/2013 9:36:27 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: SeekAndFind; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; betty boop; ...

ID/Creation ping


27 posted on 06/18/2013 6:05:45 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: SeekAndFind
I seriously hope that the multiverse exists.

If it doesn't exist then God is simply losing to Satan.
28 posted on 06/18/2013 6:13:03 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Mr. K
Atheists must be retarded if they think a multiverse disproves God. A multiverse results in the existence of everything which would mean a 100% probability for the existence of God.

These dimwits have to spend so much effort bragging about how 'smart' they are compared to us because in reality they have nothing to show for it!
29 posted on 06/18/2013 6:15:12 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: BwanaNdege
The “Multiverse” theory is just a newer variant of the old “a million monkeys typing for a million years could produce the works of Shakespeare” argument. “Hope & Change” Anything to keep from having to acknowledge God.

Nope! That's just what retarded atheists like to say. Evidence for a multiverse is automatically evidence for God.
30 posted on 06/18/2013 6:16:18 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: job
No, you miss the point. First and foremost, we are here, I had to be at work by 8:30, so, we do exist. Acknowledging that we exist, you start to focus in on the window of parameters that must exist for us to be. As the article says, for that to happen by chance, would be like to hit a 1mm bullseye from across the universe (it does not say whether the thrower was actually targeting the bullseye or not). So, because we are here, and because all of the parameters have to be so finely tuned that it eliminates “tuning by chance”, the only alternative is that the “fine tuning” was designed.

Not to detract from the argument but this universe is a pretty chaotic and disgusting place.
31 posted on 06/18/2013 6:17:23 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Robert DeLong
Belief in multiverse requires faith, as there is no proof of multiple universes. What a tangled web they are weaving all in the name of dispelling faith.

Just because atheists like to use M-theory as ammunition against God doesn't mean it is. You need to think for yourself and not take their word for it. Multiverse automatically gives God infinite power, including the power to triumph over all the damage done by the fallen.
32 posted on 06/18/2013 6:19:10 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Wanderer99
I seriously hope that the multiverse exists.

If it doesn't exist then God is simply losing to Satan.

What an impeccable line of reasoning.

Tell us how you made the jump from one to the other.

33 posted on 06/18/2013 6:20:52 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Wanderer99
Multiverse automatically gives God infinite power, including the power to triumph over all the damage done by the fallen.

And why can't God do that with one universe?

Multiverse doesn't automatically give God infinite power.

He already has it because He is God.

I'd love to know what passes for reasoning in your corner of the world.

34 posted on 06/18/2013 6:24:04 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Thanks for the ping, dear sister in Christ!


35 posted on 06/18/2013 7:57:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Vaquero

Objectivity points to God from every angle.

One must get very subjective to write God out of his creation.


36 posted on 06/18/2013 8:09:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: metmom
Fascinating fare mom, leading to all sorts of speculation why a significant portion of Mankind cannot bring themselves to admitting that Man does not, and can never, control the universe.

Thanks for the ping.

37 posted on 06/18/2013 8:20:08 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: SeekAndFind
“This means that if the energies of the Big Bang were, in arbitrary units, not:

1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

But instead:

1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

There would be no life of any sort in the entire universe.”

In spite of the fine tuning, life is extremely rare.

38 posted on 06/18/2013 8:38:25 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: metmom

It’s actually really simple. Not everyone is going to heaven. Billions of people will remain lost when they die. If inter-universe replicas of people don’t exist then the fallen world and Satan have totally claimed those souls for their tally.


39 posted on 06/18/2013 10:39:47 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: SeekAndFind
The multiverse hypothesis is a contrived attempt to reconcile our elegant reality with blind chance, at odds with our universal observation that reality follows one path or another, but not all paths.

Have you ever met a leftist? Are you telling me that those insane and worthless minds were specially created?

Random chance is required for the existence of free will and for the existence of things in this world which God does not like.
40 posted on 06/18/2013 10:42:17 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Wanderer99

You have a pretty weak andhelpless God.

One who is not a God at all.


41 posted on 06/18/2013 10:44:07 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
You have a pretty weak andhelpless God. One who is not a God at all.

Most of the time that's exactly what it looks like. So throw me a bone and make this easier.
42 posted on 06/18/2013 10:52:46 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: metmom
And why can't God do that with one universe? Multiverse doesn't automatically give God infinite power. He already has it because He is God. I'd love to know what passes for reasoning in your corner of the world.

One universe is a big problem and cannot be solved without a multiverse.

For example, look at all those innocent kids being adopted by homo scum. Most of them will die in a state of insanity and hatred towards God because of their upbringing. All the enemy had to do to win those supposedly precious souls was to act stupid and ugly.

Multiverse solves that problem by allowed for another universe in which this event didn't happen. As for the death and resurrection of Christ...that's more complex in a multiverse but still very doable.
43 posted on 06/18/2013 10:56:25 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Wanderer99

On the contrary, His Plan to allow Satan an appeals trial of his original sentence is now observable to the entire Creation, so the righteousness and justice of His original judgment will be indubitable for all eternity future.


44 posted on 06/18/2013 11:01:54 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
On the contrary, His Plan to allow Satan an appeals trial of his original sentence is now observable to the entire Creation, so the righteousness and justice of His original judgment will be indubitable for all eternity future.

That part is easy. The problem is that he still gets HUGE bragging rights under the current model...
45 posted on 06/18/2013 11:03:35 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Wanderer99

The children of homosexuals are an even more desperate state.

Ran into a mid-aged homosexual man this weekend with his two sons who were about 6-7 years old. He declared they were gay.

We suggested that perhaps that was for them to decide when they were older and he responded that he they had been designed that way genetically and he had already had several others who turned out as girls and they destroyed them and started from scratch until they designed them the way they wanted them.

Recognizing homosexuals have grown up in a society where their sexual lifestyles are chosen behaviors, when it was criminal, but they have learned how to achieve their goals criminally without consequence,...it is very scary to consider what criminal activities they might be pursuing in genetic engineering.


46 posted on 06/18/2013 11:09:19 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Wanderer99

I guess he will have an eternity in the Lake of Fire to feel proud about it.


47 posted on 06/18/2013 11:10:51 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Wanderer99
Most of the time that's exactly what it looks like. So throw me a bone and make this easier.

So what if that's what it looks like?

Satan loses in the end. God has stated otherwise in His word.

God is not bound by His creation as your philosophy intimates.

48 posted on 06/18/2013 11:34:12 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Wanderer99

Got any Scripture to back that up?


49 posted on 06/18/2013 11:34:55 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

nope. It is addressed absolutely no where in scripture. The problem still remains though.


50 posted on 06/18/2013 11:48:43 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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