Skip to comments.The Man Who Forced Prayer Out of Schools, 50 Years Later
Posted on 06/19/2013 6:37:38 AM PDT by marshmallow
Ellery Schempp, at 16 years of age in 1956, stayed in his seat while the rest of his high school class stood to recite the Lords prayer; he flipped through the Koran while his homeroom teacher recited ten verses from the Bible. What began as a quite protest in his Philadelphia high school became Supreme Court case Abington v. Schempp, which declared Bible readings and prayer in public schools unconstitutional.
A sense of fairness motivated the teen. He knew his Jewish friends were uncomfortable and believed the same must be true for other religious minorities and non-believers, and his parents backed his idea.
I was touched by the children here, said Schempp recently after watching a fifty-year anniversary skit performed by 4-13-year-olds, reenacting his classroom protest. First of all, I noticed that they didnt know the Lords Prayer. You can blame me for that. Today, Schempp is a Unitarian and self-proclaimed atheist and secular humanist.
Whether or not the children know Schempp by name, they certainly live with his legacy. When told, Back in those days, we read the Bible in school, one child who now attends Schempps former high school immediately replied, They cant do that. Its against the Constitution.
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But America was founded by Christian Europeans... I don’t even know if there were any Jewish people (or other faiths) on the Mayflower!
what an asshat.
He did a lot of good. Everyone these days says that Philadelphia public schools are like an earthly paradise. They’re so safe, the students are so disciplined and successful, the dropout rate is 0% and graduation rates are 100%.
Ah, saw the word “Koran” and I knew from whence the evil came.
War with Islam.
It’s a comin’, folks. Like it or not.
Trouble is...will it happen before, after, or during CW-II.
Things look to be a bit messy in our future.
I have wondered myself how that city became singularly vile.
If he's a Unitarian then he's not an atheist and vice versa.
Just like our top 50 Catholic blue ribbon school here in the midwest...where there is a stone statue with the beatitudes right outside the front door.
Philly is not the Utopia that Chicago is, my friend. Just look how safe and altogether wonderful the Second City is, thanks to its outstanding public schools. And surely Detroit should be mentioned too, in this List of Great Cities to Rear Children.
The Mayflower was not the first or close to the first group to come over. Not all of the Mayflower compact signers were Puritans either. One of my direct ancestors and his family came over on the Mayflower as the King’s Administrator. He had already sailed to and been a part of the founding of Jamestown when he signed onto the Mayflower. The first Jews officially came over with the Dutch in the mid-1600s and some came over, probably disguised as christians to escape persecution, from Spain earlier than that.
Ummm sorry, politics aside, Chicago is a great city.
I'd always believed that decent people were in bed at a decent hour, at least their children were.
The Koran, doesn’t GWB read that too?
Philadelphia - Ben Franklin (or Frank Rizzo) = Vileness
It’s too bad the decision to ban prayer in school came from the bench.
America was the only land in which differing views on Christianity have been widely accepted, and freedom of religion was granted here and only here in the world. Before shutting down Christian prayer in schools, this nation celebrated life in kind acts and prospering one’s fellow man, welcoming children into the world, working hard at becoming first in math, science, literature, the arts, and physical and mental fitness of every kind.
The present fall from the top has coincided exactly with the loss of this fairness to allow Christianity to be shared and its members given incentives and encouragement in matters of spirituality with the creator and being one with the spirit.
I’m not celebrating this jubilee of stamping out prayer by a bench that heretofore had reverence for Christ, his heritage in Mosaic law, and his people who by faith are made one in the spirit of Him who is all good. Sorry.
Revelations 6:8: And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
What I meant was that the people who came here and eventually forced the issue of independence from England were primarily, Christian Europeans.
The whole freedom and autonomy experiment was THEIRS and to behave NOW, as some do, forcing Christianity out of the equation is so wrong.
Could anyone force Islam OUT of ME societies? No-and shouldn't try. It belongs there and it's primary to their cultural and religious identity.
Well... in the US, Christianity is the primary cultural and religious identy of Americans. There is nothing wrong with this...it's just how it is... and it is mostly who we are. THESE people wrote the Constitution and devised the laws, etc... There is nothing wrong with their remaining within the American social, cultural and political equation.
One would expect perfect spelling by a professional writer. That’s why I was surprised by “quite protest.” It’s “quiet protest.”
A Jew reading the Koran so that he doesn’t have to recite the Lord’s Prayer? This is why Acirema exists today.
No. He’s just close to it.
I was wondering the same thing so I looked it up. Found this on a Unitarian Universalist website....
"Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion that encompasses many faith traditions. Unitarian Universalists include people who identify as Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans, Atheists, Agnostics, Human ists, and others. As there is no official Unitarian Universa list creed, Unitarian Universalists are free to search for truthon many paths."Sounds to me like they are so liberal that they each believe whatever they want to believe, but at the same time seek acceptance by a "congregation" of peers and those in the general community who do not understand that Unitarians are NOT Christians and not necessarily even believers in the God of the Holy Bible.
Also CWII related, I expect our troops overseas, you know, the ones that take their oath seriously, to be left overseas and to be cut off from support.
**Today, Schempp is a Unitarian and self-proclaimed atheist and secular humanist.**
And God will be the judge.
While we are alive, Christ is perfect mercy. At the moment of our death, Christ becomes perfect justice.
Just thinking of the reparations (toward all this has affected) is mind-boggling. (If that’s the way the Lord judges!)
Catholics were in Florida long before this — just one example.
Under this definition it is meaningless - it is nothing more than a social club. I love this line: “Unitarian Universalists are free to search for truthon many paths.” Based on the description you provided they clearly don’t believe in objective truth at all so how can they “search for” it?
Thomas Jefferson did...then he sent in the Marines.
Yes. The correlation is revealing, isn't it?
I also remember the year before. 1962. There were cases taking out God's name from public school. Also remember we almost blew up the human race in the fall of 1962. The Cuban missile crisis. I was born that year. I remember my mother telling me how they all were praying when president Kennedy told the nation finally. She was in special prayer groups. Which by the way is the best thing he did. It brought every God fearing prayers into real heart felt action to save our existence. If you see the movie Thirteen days. You will see a scene were the Churches were bursting at the seems when the advisor of the president himself goes to Church. All of sudden you had a revival for God. But did we learn from this? No . The following year we took more of God out of the schools then Kennedy was shot.
I only saw this in Ny right after 9-11. The church's and Jewish temple doors were jammed open to show everyone they were welcomed. Then more people going in to church. Days after.
Also remember the upheaval that was the sixties that brought these radical ideas to the world.
Especially with the crime, STD — and for this thread — the number of unwed mothers.
Oops, my mistake, I thought for a moment we were on the Life vs true marriage thread.
Islam doesn’t belong there, and it should be forced out like it forced Christianity, zoroastrianism, judaism etc out of the nations the muslims conquered.
And even if islam had sprung out of the ground instead of arrived by conquest and oppression it should still be wiped from the planet simply because it is as evil an ideology as national socialism.
No movie rating system was needed before the mid-sixties.
Did you see the new superman movie. I saw it yesterday. The words appropriate are in big letters for the new rating system before the movie starts. I never saw that changed since I was a kid. I thought that was very interesting to say the least.
I don’t know any homeschoolers crying for *religiously neutral*.
There’s no such thing.
The Supreme Court was so liberal in 1963 our country is lucky we survived it.There must be a lesson here.
If you’re partial to sewers.
For a Conservative exposition on the issues as far as religion goes, Leftwing Word Games & The First Amendment.
Theres no such thing.
Well she who must be laughed at has said it on at least a dozen occasions. Have you given up reading her tirades?
All cities have sewers.
I’d always believed that decent people were in bed at a decent hour, at least their children were.
I had no idea i was being indecent.
Of course, you were HOME. and you were in bed. That’s my point. These kids were running loose in the streets.
The beauty of Christianity is that the God I serve still wants to save short-sighted fools like Ellery Schempp from eternal damnation.
And ‘you can blame Him for that’, Ellery.
I'll take a Constitutional citation to that effect whenever that child is ready to provide it. Be exact, child. I'll be waiting.
There's a difference between *All cities have sewers* and *All cities are sewers.*