Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Man Who Forced Prayer Out of Schools, 50 Years Later
First Things ^ | 6/18/13 | Katherine Infantine

Posted on 06/19/2013 6:37:38 AM PDT by marshmallow

Ellery Schempp, at 16 years of age in 1956, stayed in his seat while the rest of his high school class stood to recite the Lord’s prayer; he flipped through the Koran while his homeroom teacher recited ten verses from the Bible. What began as a quite protest in his Philadelphia high school became Supreme Court case Abington v. Schempp, which declared Bible readings and prayer in public schools unconstitutional.

“A sense of fairness motivated the teen. He knew his Jewish friends were uncomfortable and believed the same must be true for other religious minorities and non-believers,” and his parents backed his idea.

“I was touched by the children here,” said Schempp recently after watching a fifty-year anniversary skit performed by 4-13-year-olds, reenacting his classroom protest. “First of all, I noticed that they didn’t know the Lord’s Prayer. You can blame me for that.” Today, Schempp is a Unitarian and self-proclaimed atheist and secular humanist.

Whether or not the children know Schempp by name, they certainly live with his legacy. When told, “Back in those days, we read the Bible in school,” one child who now attends Schempp’s former high school immediately replied, “They can’t do that. It’s against the Constitution.”

(Excerpt) Read more at firstthings.com ...


TOPICS: History; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-62 next last

1 posted on 06/19/2013 6:37:38 AM PDT by marshmallow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

But America was founded by Christian Europeans... I don’t even know if there were any Jewish people (or other faiths) on the Mayflower!


2 posted on 06/19/2013 6:39:11 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

what an asshat.


3 posted on 06/19/2013 6:39:35 AM PDT by raygunfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

He did a lot of good. Everyone these days says that Philadelphia public schools are like an earthly paradise. They’re so safe, the students are so disciplined and successful, the dropout rate is 0% and graduation rates are 100%.


4 posted on 06/19/2013 6:41:11 AM PDT by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wideawake
There ought to be a statue.

/s

5 posted on 06/19/2013 6:44:02 AM PDT by BipolarBob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

Ah, saw the word “Koran” and I knew from whence the evil came.

War with Islam.

It’s a comin’, folks. Like it or not.

Trouble is...will it happen before, after, or during CW-II.

Things look to be a bit messy in our future.


6 posted on 06/19/2013 6:44:10 AM PDT by Da Coyote
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wideawake
the other day it was asked, "What's wrong with Philadelphia?"

I have wondered myself how that city became singularly vile.

7 posted on 06/19/2013 6:45:33 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow
"Today, Schempp is a Unitarian and self-proclaimed atheist and secular humanist."

If he's a Unitarian then he's not an atheist and vice versa.

8 posted on 06/19/2013 6:46:47 AM PDT by circlecity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wideawake

Just like our top 50 Catholic blue ribbon school here in the midwest...where there is a stone statue with the beatitudes right outside the front door.


9 posted on 06/19/2013 6:47:53 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: wideawake

Philly is not the Utopia that Chicago is, my friend. Just look how safe and altogether wonderful the Second City is, thanks to its outstanding public schools. And surely Detroit should be mentioned too, in this List of Great Cities to Rear Children.


10 posted on 06/19/2013 6:48:06 AM PDT by txrefugee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SMARTY

The Mayflower was not the first or close to the first group to come over. Not all of the Mayflower compact signers were Puritans either. One of my direct ancestors and his family came over on the Mayflower as the King’s Administrator. He had already sailed to and been a part of the founding of Jamestown when he signed onto the Mayflower. The first Jews officially came over with the Dutch in the mid-1600s and some came over, probably disguised as christians to escape persecution, from Spain earlier than that.


11 posted on 06/19/2013 6:51:47 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: txrefugee

Ummm sorry, politics aside, Chicago is a great city.


12 posted on 06/19/2013 6:51:51 AM PDT by Borges
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow
Unwed birth rates

Violent Crime Rates

Sexually Transmitted Diseases

Educational Achievement

Family Stability

13 posted on 06/19/2013 6:51:59 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow; metmom; wintertime
You mean that this is not the “Religiously neutral” that so many of the homeschoolers are crying for?
14 posted on 06/19/2013 6:54:33 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: schm0e
My mom grew up in Philly, but that was over 50 years ago. Even when we, as kids, went to visit her parents in their row house, we were shocked to see children of all ages out on the street playing well into the night (mid-late sixties.) It was mostly black by then.

I'd always believed that decent people were in bed at a decent hour, at least their children were.

15 posted on 06/19/2013 6:59:01 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Da Coyote

The Koran, doesn’t GWB read that too?


16 posted on 06/19/2013 7:00:44 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: schm0e

Philadelphia - Ben Franklin (or Frank Rizzo) = Vileness


17 posted on 06/19/2013 7:02:02 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

It’s too bad the decision to ban prayer in school came from the bench.

America was the only land in which differing views on Christianity have been widely accepted, and freedom of religion was granted here and only here in the world. Before shutting down Christian prayer in schools, this nation celebrated life in kind acts and prospering one’s fellow man, welcoming children into the world, working hard at becoming first in math, science, literature, the arts, and physical and mental fitness of every kind.

The present fall from the top has coincided exactly with the loss of this fairness to allow Christianity to be shared and its members given incentives and encouragement in matters of spirituality with the creator and being one with the spirit.

I’m not celebrating this jubilee of stamping out prayer by a bench that heretofore had reverence for Christ, his heritage in Mosaic law, and his people who by faith are made one in the spirit of Him who is all good. Sorry.


18 posted on 06/19/2013 7:09:15 AM PDT by beautress1 (Make today a masterpiece.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Da Coyote
War with Islam. It’s a comin’, folks. Like it or not. Trouble is...will it happen before, after, or during CW-II. Things look to be a bit messy in our future.

Indeed!

Revelations 6:8: And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.

19 posted on 06/19/2013 7:10:57 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: RJS1950
Right.

What I meant was that the people who came here and eventually forced the issue of independence from England were primarily, Christian Europeans.

The whole freedom and autonomy experiment was THEIRS and to behave NOW, as some do, forcing Christianity out of the equation is so wrong.

Could anyone force Islam OUT of ME societies? No-and shouldn't try. It belongs there and it's primary to their cultural and religious identity.

Well... in the US, Christianity is the primary cultural and religious identy of Americans. There is nothing wrong with this...it's just how it is... and it is mostly who we are. THESE people wrote the Constitution and devised the laws, etc... There is nothing wrong with their remaining within the American social, cultural and political equation.

20 posted on 06/19/2013 7:24:25 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

One would expect perfect spelling by a professional writer. That’s why I was surprised by “quite protest.” It’s “quiet protest.”


21 posted on 06/19/2013 7:27:53 AM PDT by OldPossum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

A Jew reading the Koran so that he doesn’t have to recite the Lord’s Prayer? This is why Acirema exists today.


22 posted on 06/19/2013 7:31:49 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: circlecity

No. He’s just close to it.


23 posted on 06/19/2013 7:57:34 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: circlecity
"If he's a Unitarian then he's not an atheist and vice versa."

I was wondering the same thing so I looked it up. Found this on a Unitarian Universalist website....

"Unitarian Universalism is a liberal religion that encompasses many faith traditions. Unitarian Universalists include people who identify as Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans, Atheists, Agnostics, Human ists, and others. As there is no official Unitarian Universa list creed, Unitarian Universalists are free to search for truthon many paths."
Sounds to me like they are so liberal that they each believe whatever they want to believe, but at the same time seek acceptance by a "congregation" of peers and those in the general community who do not understand that Unitarians are NOT Christians and not necessarily even believers in the God of the Holy Bible.
24 posted on 06/19/2013 7:59:19 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Da Coyote
You bring up a good point. If CWII happens, expect the mad mullahs to go nuts (well...more than usual) in Europe and against Israel.

Also CWII related, I expect our troops overseas, you know, the ones that take their oath seriously, to be left overseas and to be cut off from support.

25 posted on 06/19/2013 8:03:52 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

**Today, Schempp is a Unitarian and self-proclaimed atheist and secular humanist.**

And God will be the judge.

While we are alive, Christ is perfect mercy. At the moment of our death, Christ becomes perfect justice.

Just thinking of the reparations (toward all this has affected) is mind-boggling. (If that’s the way the Lord judges!)


26 posted on 06/19/2013 8:08:09 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RJS1950

Catholics were in Florida long before this — just one example.


27 posted on 06/19/2013 8:10:42 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Under this definition it is meaningless - it is nothing more than a social club. I love this line: “Unitarian Universalists are free to search for truthon many paths.” Based on the description you provided they clearly don’t believe in objective truth at all so how can they “search for” it?


28 posted on 06/19/2013 8:11:55 AM PDT by circlecity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: fwdude

Great graphs/charts.


29 posted on 06/19/2013 8:13:22 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: RJS1950
The Mayflower compact is what is usually considered the beginning of constitutional self government. And they were not Puritans, but separatist Pilgrims, and as you said others.
30 posted on 06/19/2013 8:17:08 AM PDT by D Rider
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Theodore R.
The Koran, doesn’t GWB read that too?

Thomas Jefferson did...then he sent in the Marines.

31 posted on 06/19/2013 8:20:05 AM PDT by D Rider
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Salvation
Great graphs/charts.

Yes. The correlation is revealing, isn't it?

32 posted on 06/19/2013 8:24:22 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow; All
I do not find it any mere consequence of simultaneously events of fruition that resulted in events that harmed this country. It was not stated what time the case came up to the Supreme Court ruling in the article. So I looked it up. It was 1963. The year our president was shot and killed. I do not see this as just a mere coincede.

I also remember the year before. 1962. There were cases taking out God's name from public school. Also remember we almost blew up the human race in the fall of 1962. The Cuban missile crisis. I was born that year. I remember my mother telling me how they all were praying when president Kennedy told the nation finally. She was in special prayer groups. Which by the way is the best thing he did. It brought every God fearing prayers into real heart felt action to save our existence. If you see the movie Thirteen days. You will see a scene were the Churches were bursting at the seems when the advisor of the president himself goes to Church. All of sudden you had a revival for God. But did we learn from this? No . The following year we took more of God out of the schools then Kennedy was shot.

I only saw this in Ny right after 9-11. The church's and Jewish temple doors were jammed open to show everyone they were welcomed. Then more people going in to church. Days after.

Also remember the upheaval that was the sixties that brought these radical ideas to the world.

33 posted on 06/19/2013 8:24:29 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: fwdude

Especially with the crime, STD — and for this thread — the number of unwed mothers.


34 posted on 06/19/2013 8:42:40 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: fwdude

Oops, my mistake, I thought for a moment we were on the Life vs true marriage thread.


35 posted on 06/19/2013 8:43:59 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: SMARTY

Nonsense.

Islam doesn’t belong there, and it should be forced out like it forced Christianity, zoroastrianism, judaism etc out of the nations the muslims conquered.

And even if islam had sprung out of the ground instead of arrived by conquest and oppression it should still be wiped from the planet simply because it is as evil an ideology as national socialism.


36 posted on 06/19/2013 8:47:56 AM PDT by LastNorwegian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: johngrace

No movie rating system was needed before the mid-sixties.


37 posted on 06/19/2013 8:49:01 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: fwdude

Did you see the new superman movie. I saw it yesterday. The words appropriate are in big letters for the new rating system before the movie starts. I never saw that changed since I was a kid. I thought that was very interesting to say the least.


38 posted on 06/19/2013 9:01:55 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: verga

I don’t know any homeschoolers crying for *religiously neutral*.

There’s no such thing.


39 posted on 06/19/2013 9:19:14 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

The Supreme Court was so liberal in 1963 our country is lucky we survived it.There must be a lesson here.


40 posted on 06/19/2013 9:40:43 AM PDT by ardara
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Borges

If you’re partial to sewers.


41 posted on 06/19/2013 10:00:14 AM PDT by traderrob6
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow
Of course Schempp is a crack-pot; but the blame should not go to the puppet. The blame should go to the Warren Court, which turned the Constitution upside down, to begin the deconstruction of our heritage, in case after case in the same era.

For a Conservative exposition on the issues as far as religion goes, Leftwing Word Games & The First Amendment.

William Flax

42 posted on 06/19/2013 10:07:03 AM PDT by Ohioan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: metmom; wintertime
I don’t know any homeschoolers crying for *religiously neutral*.

There’s no such thing.

Well she who must be laughed at has said it on at least a dozen occasions. Have you given up reading her tirades?

43 posted on 06/19/2013 10:10:17 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: traderrob6

All cities have sewers.


44 posted on 06/19/2013 11:31:42 AM PDT by Borges
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: fwdude

I’d always believed that decent people were in bed at a decent hour, at least their children were.


Depending where you lived of course but many kids slept outside in the 40s 50s and 60s, we always slept out side when it was warm enough and depending how much room the house had, and if it was too warm in the house

I had no idea i was being indecent.


45 posted on 06/19/2013 12:16:53 PM PDT by ravenwolf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: ravenwolf

Of course, you were HOME. and you were in bed. That’s my point. These kids were running loose in the streets.


46 posted on 06/19/2013 12:40:14 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow

The beauty of Christianity is that the God I serve still wants to save short-sighted fools like Ellery Schempp from eternal damnation.

And ‘you can blame Him for that’, Ellery.


47 posted on 06/19/2013 12:42:14 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: marshmallow
Whether or not the children know Schempp by name, they certainly live with his legacy. When told, “Back in those days, we read the Bible in school,” one child who now attends Schempp’s former high school immediately replied, “They can’t do that. It’s against the Constitution.”
48 posted on 06/19/2013 12:43:02 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Colonel_Flagg
Whether or not the children know Schempp by name, they certainly live with his legacy. When told, “Back in those days, we read the Bible in school,” one child who now attends Schempp’s former high school immediately replied, “They can’t do that. It’s against the Constitution.”

I'll take a Constitutional citation to that effect whenever that child is ready to provide it. Be exact, child. I'll be waiting.

49 posted on 06/19/2013 12:43:53 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Borges; traderrob6
All cities have sewers.

There's a difference between *All cities have sewers* and *All cities are sewers.*

50 posted on 06/19/2013 12:46:08 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-62 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson