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To: Alex Murphy

He may very well had been raised a radical muslim by his father. That part is up to interpretation unless someone knew the man as a boy growing up during that time. The story bits of age/place/how deep it was do seem to be conflicting and I’ll admit there’s something amiss there.

At the same time, my larger point was this: that there is a contingent of folks that literally hound the man left and right, on a daily basis. Some are muslims, but most are Christian (and for some reason of the Calvinist sort).

What is the aim in this effort? To bring “correction” to a man you don’t know personally? How would you know if he’s repented of any falsehoods or not? Is that your job?

Is it “Christian” or “Biblical” of us to constantly nag and remind others of their past sins? I really would hate it if you ever did something wrong, repented of it, and yet it wasn’t good enough to your accusers because they couldn’t put a Scarlet Letter on your chest.

Christians are their own worst enemies in that we far too often eat our own, rather than encourage and forgive. I’ve been in ministry over 10 years and have seen the damage done when overzealous believers take it too far.

The attrition rate among pastors is more than 50%, and it’s because of situations such as this when we put higher demands on them that we’d never in a million years hope to have on ourselves.

I only know the man in passing via Twitter interactions, etc. and I have friends that knew him from Liberty days that speak well of him. That’s all I can go on, but all I know is regardless of what he may/may not had said, it’s in the past and I trust he’s laid it down and moved on. His critics should too.

Otherwise, the wasted time and effort put into dogging a man for fudging his upbringing narrative is a black mark on the church given that it could be better used in you know... actually reaching the lost?


9 posted on 06/19/2013 8:43:22 PM PDT by AskNotReceiveNot
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To: AskNotReceiveNot
...my larger point was this: that there is a contingent of folks that literally hound the man left and right, on a daily basis. Some are muslims, but most are Christian (and for some reason of the Calvinist sort). What is the aim in this effort? To bring “correction” to a man you don’t know personally? How would you know if he’s repented of any falsehoods or not? Is that your job?

There was an article on the subject of Caner about three years ago, that stated the issue so succinctly, that I'm going to quote that statement now:

Look: I don't care if Dr. Caner hates Calvinists and has a disdain for James White and his supporters. I do, however, Care [with a capital "C"] about the integrity Dr. Caner brings to our faith when he represents it before both a believing and unbelieving world. Muslims don't care what he thinks about Calvinists. They do care that he tells the truth about the things he says about Islam and their apologists....

....[Caner] represents the theological seminary for one of the major Baptist colleges in the world. Being the [let me note that again] PRESIDENT of a theological seminary means he sets the academic tone for the entire school in the studies of theology [that means the "study of God"]. Did you get that? When people hear Dr. Caner speak, they are hearing the PRESIDENT of a theological seminary speak to them! He reflects what is being taught at that seminary at that major Baptist school. Is there not one colleague, professor, fellow academic - a pastor! - who either teaches at that same college or is an alumni who is the least bit troubled by these revelations of Dr. Caner's public persona? Additionally, Dr. Caner is a Christian. He not only reflects the integrity of the entire Liberty university, but he reflects Jesus Christ. Does that matter to any of his supporters!?
-- from the thread The Mike Warnke of this Generation? A Plea to Ergun Caner

...all I know is regardless of what he may/may not had said, it’s in the past and I trust he’s laid it down and moved on. His critics should too....What is the aim in this effort? To bring “correction” to a man you don’t know personally? How would you know if he’s repented of any falsehoods or not?

We would know, if he would point us to his published statement of repentance and confession. That he cannot has not pointed anyone to it stands as evidence that he has not made one.

...it’s because of situations such as this when we put higher demands on them that we’d never in a million years hope to have on ourselves...the wasted time and effort put into dogging a man for fudging his upbringing narrative is a black mark on the church...

Who really placed the black mark on the church - the senior man who lied (and refuses to repent), or the junior men who called him on it?

11 posted on 06/20/2013 1:47:19 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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