Jews Tell Pope of Concern Over Moves to Make Pius XII a Saint

Reuters via Yahoo News ^ | 6/24/13 | Philip Pullella

[marshmallow]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - A Jewish leader expressed concern to Pope Francis on Monday over attempts to make a saint of World War Two-era Pope Pius XII, who has been accused of turning a blind eye to the Holocaust.

Francis made no mention of his wartime predecessor during his talks with members of the International Jewish Committee for Interreligious Consultations (IJCIC), but the pontiff repeated the Roman Catholic Church's condemnation of anti-Semitism.

"The Jewish community continues to be concerned about efforts to canonize Pope Pius XII while innumerable documents pertaining to the history of the Church and the Jewish people during the dark years of the Holocaust still remain closed to outside scholarly investigation," IJCIC chairman Lawrence Schiffman told the pope.

The issue of whether the Vatican and the Church under Pius did all they could to help Jews has dogged Catholic-Jewish relations for decades. Pius became pontiff in 1939, the year World War Two broke out, and reigned until 1958.

[Alex Murphy]

St. Paul was a pretty foul guy, self-admitted. Aside from his horrid acts pre-Christ, you can tell he was difficult to be around from his letters, and probably pretty foul.

Tell us more.

[Just mythoughts]

Sure, forget about the authority that Christ gave the Church prior to His ascension.

I will attempt to choose my words carefully. Paul said in Ephesians 1:4 that the 'saints'/elect/chosen/elected' were predestined before the casting down - overthrow of that world that WAS according to IIPeter 3:... Genesis 1:2.

Wonder why Christ never made Rome a priority of even a stop over in His flesh journey. But according to the 'traditions of Glastonbury He did travel to the Isles that Rome could NOT conquer. I am beginning to think the objective is to punish all protesters since Christ walked this earth.

[Just mythoughts]

Welllll, IF your current catechism still contains the WORDS written by Paul, how about Ephesians 1:4... The saints/elect/chosen/set aside/ took place in the first heaven/earth world/age. ‘You know’ the one that Peter writes about in IIPeter 3? It would seem given all the bragging done about handing down the WORD the masses would at least know about the ‘foundation of the world’, really means the casting-down - overthrow of that first rebel (Lucifer) in the first heaven/earth world/age. Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 describe in full detail about that one that tempted Christ as His first mission in His flesh journey.

But hey if Rome does not teach it then it does not matter to their traditions, leaving the member null and void of what is yet to come.

[ravenwolf]

I would think that a person would either be a Saint or not, how could any one except God make them one?

I think religion is nuts.

[JCBreckenridge]

Oddly enough the word Saint does not appear anywhere in 1 Ephesians 4.

[dfwgator]

The one issue I have with the Church, was what happened in Croatia during the war.

[Just mythoughts]

Oddly enough the word Saint does not appear anywhere in 1 Ephesians 4.

Snicker!!!! The oddity is the inflamed egos that claim authority of what was NEVER given. God keeps the only 'record book' that counts.... He even says so, but then that would be sola scripture and NOT acceptable to the gods in Rome.

Imagine all the wasted time, money, and hails, when they never reach the intended party.

[JCBreckenridge]

“God keeps the only ‘record book’ that counts”

[[Scriptural citation needed!]]

[A.A. Cunningham]

I will attempt to choose my words carefully.

And you failed in your attempt.

"As He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and unspotted in His sight in charity." Ephesians 1:4

Wonder why Christ never made Rome a priority of even a stop over in His flesh journey.

Much of what Christ said and did doesn't appear in Scripture just as Scripture tells us. But, heh, don't let that get in the way of your inept argument.

"Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book." John 20:30

"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." John 21:25

But according to the 'traditions of Glastonbury

"Domine, quo vadis?"

"Eo Romam iterum crucifigi."

Tradition of Chiesa del Domine Quo Vadis

[TheThirdRuffian]

“Tell us more.”

Read his letters yourself. It’s not like the Gideons don’t pass out the Bible.

Standing around, if not encouring the throwers, when the first martyr for Christ was stoned to death is “up there” in the “asshole” category.

The fact that God can take someone as foul as that and make him an amaxing pillar and witness (and eventually martyr) of the faith is, itself, amazing evidence of God’s power.

[vladimir998]

Romans 8:33

[Iscool]

Due to our common roots, a Christian cannot be anti-Semitic," he told the delegation from IJCIC, an umbrella group that represents most major Jewish organizations and all streams of Jewish thought.

Well, your pope just reclassified all mid east Catholics to non Christian status...

[Just mythoughts]

I will attempt to choose my words carefully. And you failed in your attempt. "As He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and unspotted in His sight in charity." Ephesians 1:4

The failure here is that ignored meaning of 'the foundation' is the casting down / overthrow in that world that Peter calls 'that WAS'. The souls that were not tempted by Lucifer when he rebelled and decided he was god are the 'saints', the elect/chosen, already justified. Lucifer is the only named entity that has already been judged to be destroyed from within. And yet Christ gave us the example of Him being tempted by the devil. The devil made quite an offer, strangely as if he really deceived himself that Christ could be tempted. That was done for us to demonstrate what is the first tribulation.

Wonder why Christ never made Rome a priority of even a stop over in His flesh journey.

Much of what Christ said and did doesn't appear in Scripture just as Scripture tells us. But, heh, don't let that get in the way of your inept argument.

Oh, how I have longed to use that non-sequitur to a haughty pious person. Christ instructed His Church to be watchmen and it was not Rome He said to watch.

"Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book." John 20:30 "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." John 21:25

Yet before those elected/chosen by God before the casting down - overthrow, could place on plant fibers or animal skins, what was done/said by Christ in His flesh journey, Christ said in Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. Then after making that proclamation Christ quotes Isaiah. NOT some man designated saint.

Rome has its cart way out in front of the donkey. God/Christ does not need the church, the church needs the Creator and His Only Begotten Son. Jesus is not being held behind the curtain in Rome wherein some flesh man claims he has the 'keys' to have access.

But according to the 'traditions of Glastonbury "Domine, quo vadis?" "Eo Romam iterum crucifigi." Tradition of Chiesa del Domine Quo Vadis

[kearnyirish2]

“They seem to have more to say than I, and I am a Catholic for seven decades”

I already refer to him as St. Pius XII; I know he is a saint. Maybe in 50 years they’ll get the message.

[chatham]

I was educated in Catholic Schools and taught every catholic who goes to heaven is a Saint, and so is
St Pius XII

[kearnyirish2]

“I was educated in Catholic Schools and taught every catholic who goes to heaven is a Saint, and so is
St Pius XII”

I like that; he’s with St. Pius IX as well (another one being obstructed in his canonization, by the same crowd). He called the first Vatican council.