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How Should Same-Sex Marriage Change the Church's Witness?
Christian Post ^ | 06/27/2013 | Dr. Russell D. Moore

Posted on 06/27/2013 10:21:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Supreme Court has now ruled on two monumental marriage cases, and the legal and cultural landscape has changed in this country. The court voted to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act and remand the decision of the Ninth Circuit in the Proposition 8 case, holding that California's Proposition 8 defenders didn't have standing. The Defense of Marriage Act decision used rather sweeping language about equal protection and human dignity as they apply to the recognition of same-sex unions. But what has changed for us, for our churches, and our witness to the gospel?

In one sense, nothing. Jesus of Nazareth is still alive. He is calling the cosmos toward his kingdom, and he will ultimately be Lord indeed. Regardless of what happens with marriage, the gospel doesn't need "family values" to flourish. In fact, it often thrives when it is in sharp contrast to the cultures around it. That's why the gospel rocketed out of the first-century from places such as Ephesus and Philippi and Corinth and Rome, which were hardly Mayberry.

In another sense, though, the marginalization of conjugal marriage in American culture has profound implications for our gospel witness. First of all, marriage isn't incidental to gospel preaching.

There's a reason why persons don't split apart like amoebas. We were all conceived in the union between a man and a woman. Beyond the natural reality, the gospel tells us there's a cosmic mystery (Eph. 5:32).

God designed the one-flesh union of marriage as an embedded icon of the union between Christ and his church. Marriage and sexuality, among the most powerful pulls in human existence, are designed to train humanity to recognize, in the fullness of time, what it means for Jesus to be one with his church, as a head with a body.

Same-sex marriage is on the march, even apart from these decisions, and is headed to your community, regardless of whether you are sitting where I am right now, on Capitol Hill, or in a rural hamlet in southwest Georgia or eastern Idaho. This is an opportunity for gospel witness.

For a long time in American culture, we've acted as though we could assume marriage. Even people from what were once called "broken homes" could watch stable marriages on television or movies. Boys and girls mostly assumed they had a wedding in their futures. As marriage is redefined, these assumptions will change. Let's not wring our hands about that.

This gives Christian churches the opportunity to do what Jesus called us to do with our marriages in the first place: to serve as a light in a dark place. Permanent, stable marriages with families with both a mother and a father may well make us seem freakish in 21st-century culture. But is there anything more "freakish" than a crucified cosmic ruler? Is there anything more "freakish" than a gospel that can forgive rebels like us and make us sons and daughters? Let's embrace the freakishness, and crucify our illusions of a moral majority.

That means that we must repent of our pathetic marriage cultures within the church. For too long, we've refused to discipline a divorce culture that has ravaged our cultures. For too long, we've quieted our voices on the biblical witness of the distinctive missions of fathers and mothers in favor of generic messages on "parenting."

For too long, we've acted as though the officers of Christ's church were Justices of the Peace, marrying people who have no accountability to the church, and in many cases were forbidden by Scripture to marry. Just because we don't have two brides or two grooms in front of us, that doesn't mean we've been holding to biblical marriage.

The dangerous winds of religious liberty suppression means that our nominal Bible Belt marrying parson ways are over. Good riddance. This means we have the opportunity, by God's grace, to take marriage as seriously as the gospel does, in a way that prompts the culture around us to ask why.

The increased attention to the question of marriage also gives us the opportunity to love our gay and lesbian neighbors as Jesus does. Some will capitulate on a Christian sexual ethic. There are always those professional "dissidents" who make a living espousing mainline Protestant shibboleths to an evangelical market. But the church will stand, and that means the gospel Jesus has handed down through the millennia. As we stand with conviction, we don't look at our gay and lesbian neighbors as our enemies. They are not.

The gay and lesbian people in your community aren't part of some global "Gay Agenda" conspiracy. They aren't super-villains in some cartoon. They are, like all of us, seeking a way that seems right to them. If we believe marriage is as resilient as Jesus says it is (Mk. 10:6-9), it cannot be eradicated by a vote of justices or a vote of a state legislature. Some will be disappointed by what they thought would answer their quest for meaning. Will our churches be ready to answer?

This also means we must change the way we preach. Those with same-sex attractions, who follow Christ, will be walking away from what their families and friends want for them: wedding cake and married life and the American Dream. Following Jesus will mean taking up a cross and following a hard narrow way. It always does.

If we're going to preach that sort of gospel, we must make it clear that this cross-bearing self-denial isn't just for homosexually-tempted Christians. It is for all of us, because that's what the gospel is. If your church has been preaching the American Dream, with eternal life at the end and Jesus as the means you use to get all that, you don't have a gospel that can reach your gay and lesbian neighbors-or anyone else for that matter.

Same-sex marriage is headed for your community. This is no time for fear or outrage or politicizing. It's a time for forgiven sinners, like us, to do what the people of Christ have always done. It's time for us to point beyond our family values and our culture wars to the cross of Christ as we say: "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world."

And that's good news.

-- Dr. Russell D. Moore is the president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexuality

1 posted on 06/27/2013 10:21:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

if the witnessing is biblical, not at all.


2 posted on 06/27/2013 10:21:50 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have no idea what he is saying as it relates to the real world. When a homosexual pair comes to a church picnic and starts holding hands, what does the Church do? When a homosexual member demands that the pastor marry him, what does the Church do?


3 posted on 06/27/2013 10:29:19 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: SeekAndFind
When the laws of man violate the laws of God, follow the laws of God.

This is what we get when we FAIL to OBEY God.
For it is written: Those who support homosexuals are against our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
These anti Christ people only bring destruction on us ALL.
I have NO sympathy for homosexuals!

Homosexuality is a "Mark" of disobedience.
Someone once asked The answer is in the definition of "REPROBATE". And the reason"why" is given in the Bible.

God has a cure for homosexuals.

"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect
that God is just,
that his justice cannot sleep forever."


4 posted on 06/27/2013 10:31:53 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: ModelBreaker
Tell them to leave.
We don't want you; we don't need you; we will have NOTHING to do with you!
Know you not the words of God?
Get out now!
5 posted on 06/27/2013 10:34:38 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Homosexuality is a sin explicitly condemned in the Bible. Divorce is sin explicitly condemned by Jesus. Churches and the faithful need to be cohrent in their witness if they want to be more effective in the cultural battle


6 posted on 06/27/2013 10:43:26 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian
Churches OFFEND God, by tolerating homosexuals, period.
OBEY God!
7 posted on 06/27/2013 10:44:48 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SeekAndFind

You are now going to Hell with a Government-stamped ticket?


8 posted on 06/27/2013 10:44:59 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
The author seems to be parroting the liberal/gay mantra that "Christians see homosexuality as a sin while ignoring their own sin". That has never been the case. The point of contention has always been that the gays and their cohorts insist that homosexuality is not a sin. If homosexuality is not a sin, fornication is not a sin. If these aren't sins, nothing is a sin. If nothing is a sin, God and Jesus are irrelevant.
9 posted on 06/27/2013 10:48:44 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Yosemitest

God is offended by divorce.


10 posted on 06/27/2013 10:55:43 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Sans-Culotte

I would argue that most Christians don’t really see divorce as a sin, either. They see it as a bad thing, except when its happening to them, in which case its necessary.

The biggest destroyer of marriage in our culture isn’t the homosexual agenda, its no fault divorce, and a church full of christians unwilling to take a stand on it.

But we also have to remember that, while Jesus never hesitated to call a sin a sin, he also never rejected the sinners.


11 posted on 06/27/2013 10:59:59 AM PDT by mikedfox
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To: Natufian

Not the same, and you know it!


12 posted on 06/27/2013 11:00:18 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
If you think Jesus is ok with divorce, you need to read your Bible more.
13 posted on 06/27/2013 11:04:04 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: SeekAndFind
But what has changed for us, for our churches, ...In one sense, nothing...

Sorry, but I disagree. Many Christian churches changed what marriage was when they perceived it and MADE it a contract. It was never a contract. It was a covenant

Jesus said, "...from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and join to his wife; 8And they two shall be one flesh: so then they are no more two, but one flesh."

When marriage began to be a contract, we began to have problems.

14 posted on 06/27/2013 11:04:55 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Here is an idea for the Church to trump the perverts.

Stop doing marriages & start doing “Christian unions between a man & a woman”, & call it that.

Stop sanctioning marriage, which has become meaningless. Let marriage be a solely government institution, bereft of an religious or spiritual meaning, much like a fishing license.

Create a new institution within the church joining together one man & one woman, until death do them part - no divorce possible, in a spiritual union recognized by the church, & limited to church members in good standing only.

If the couple wants to have a civil union too for tax purposes, that’s fine, but it has no relation to the Christian Union in the eyes of the Church & is meaningless to the Church.

Leave the perverts with their temporary, meaningless, secular unions they so deserve.

Change a few words & the Church can take back the meaning & purpose of marriage, while completely excluding the opinion of the bureaucrats.


15 posted on 06/27/2013 11:05:10 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Natufian
Remember:
16 posted on 06/27/2013 11:09:30 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Natufian
"God is offended by divorce."

Yes, He is. But the comparison doesn't hold water.

The Bible calls homosexuality detestable, shameful, vile, degrading, and an abomination, and we know what penalty Jewish law prescribed for sodomites. It was called a capital offense.

Divorce was permitted in certain circumstances. While still hating divorce, God has never permitted homosexuality under any circumstances.

17 posted on 06/27/2013 11:09:47 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Natufian
Know you not that Jesus is also the LORD of the Old Testament?
18 posted on 06/27/2013 11:12:10 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I it okay to get divorced if you find out your husband is homosexual?


19 posted on 06/27/2013 11:24:46 AM PDT by WilliamRobert
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m saddened by the decision of the Supreme Court but not surprised. Fallen people are going to think and behave like fallen people.


20 posted on 06/27/2013 11:29:03 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good points in this post.


21 posted on 06/27/2013 11:34:52 AM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: WilliamRobert
"I it okay to get divorced if you find out your husband is homosexual?"

Matthew 19:9 says divorce is permitted in the case of sexual immorality, so yes.

22 posted on 06/27/2013 11:39:04 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: mikedfox
But we also have to remember that, while Jesus never hesitated to call a sin a sin, he also never rejected the sinners.

No He did not. However remember his admonishment to all that he forgave was to "go and sin no more". To be truly forgiven you must honestly want to change you ways.

23 posted on 06/27/2013 12:05:58 PM PDT by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: Mister Da

I agree with your comment that Christians need to rename and redefine what a Christian marriage actually is. Civil unions are formed for various legal reasons, they confer employment benefits and tax status, and they provide a form of self esteem to gay persons. A Christian marriage such as you described would provide spiritual value to Christians who submit to this form of marriage. Married Christians would provide salt and light to all who witness their marriages. The onus would be on all Christian married people to set as perfect examples as possible.


24 posted on 06/27/2013 12:10:59 PM PDT by Sam Clements
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To: Mister Da

Maybe if more “Christians” lived up to their vows in the first place, we wouldn’t be in this mess.


25 posted on 06/27/2013 12:12:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: CatherineofAragon

Adultery is also a sin punishable by death. Divorcees who remarry except in very limited circumstances commit adultery.

It’s a huge weakness in discussing homosexuality, especially with young people when Christians are perceived to be relaxed about some sins and not about others.


26 posted on 06/27/2013 12:21:09 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Yosemitest

Yes. That’s why most divorcees who remarry are wilfully coitting adultery


27 posted on 06/27/2013 12:23:05 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: mikedfox
That may true, but the issue of "gay marriage" is not merely whether it is a "destroyer of marriage"; but rather that it is now legitimized as a valid lifestyle.

I get what you mean about Christian complacency. A year ago, my wife and I attended a party at the house of a church member. It was a choir party and I was along as a spouse (my wife was in the choir). The wife of the host was showing us around the house. She showed us the room of one of her sons, since moved out, who had been active in "youth fellowship" stuff at the church. She casually mentioned that his room was now vacant as he had "moved in with his girlfriend". Now, I get that young people do that, and he's an adult and can do as he likes. But I was taken aback that his mother mentioned so casually to a group of church members that her son was now shacking up with his girlfriend.

28 posted on 06/27/2013 12:25:14 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Natufian
Most?
And where do you back that statement up from?
29 posted on 06/27/2013 12:38:17 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

most divorces are not due to sexual immorality.


30 posted on 06/27/2013 12:45:25 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian
"Adultery is also a sin punishable by death. Divorcees who remarry except in very limited circumstances commit adultery."

You're correct there. However, everything else I said holds true. In Scripture, homosxuality is singled out more than once as being particularly abominable and detestable to God. And again, God allows divorce in certain circumstances, but He never allows homosexuality under any conditions.

""It’s a huge weakness in discussing homosexuality, especially with young people when Christians are perceived to be relaxed about some sins and not about others."

I believe we should be vigilant against all sins. Young people should be told that divorce IS a sin, and yet God made certain limited allowances for our sinful nature in that area. I also think they should be told the ugly, nasty truth about homosexuality---I won't go into the specific anatomy here on the Religion forum, but you know what I mean. Kids should know how disease-ridden the lifestyle is and all the dangers it holds----spiritual, physical, and mental----and that mass acceptance leads to the death of societies.

31 posted on 06/27/2013 12:48:44 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Natufian
What? No links to sources?
You expect us to just take any statement you decide to make as factual?
You sound like some reprobate, trying to justify behavior that got you where you are today.
I know very few people who have cheated on their wives or husbands.
I know a few divorcées, but most of them suffered from financial problems, and one spouse just got tired and give up.
32 posted on 06/27/2013 1:04:13 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Sans-Culotte
If homosexuality is not a sin, fornication is not a sin. If these aren't sins, nothing is a sin.

If rending unborn babies limb-from-limb because they're inconvenient is not a sin, then nothing is a sin.

33 posted on 06/27/2013 1:15:52 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Natufian
Homosexuality is a sin explicitly condemned in the Bible.

Which is EXACTLY why the left is so adamant about pushing it. They figured out the issue that was even more offensive than child sacrifice, and leaped upon it as a thumb in the eye of God and His people.

34 posted on 06/27/2013 1:17:37 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Yosemitest
I think you need to re-read my posts with your comprehension hat on.

I said that most divorces are NOT due to one of the pair being unfaithful. Most divorces are either no-fault or, as you say, they just give up.

A divorcee whose marriage didn't split up due infidelity and who re-marries is, according to God, committing adultery with their new spouse.

As for me, I've been married for almost 25 years, am happier now than the day we tied the knot and have never strayed.

35 posted on 06/27/2013 1:19:13 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

And lying. And having extra-marital affairs. And using His name in vain...you get the point. Yes?


36 posted on 06/27/2013 1:38:01 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Natufian

You still haven’t given any sources.


37 posted on 06/27/2013 1:43:01 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: DuncanWaring
If rending unborn babies limb-from-limb because they're inconvenient is not a sin, then nothing is a sin.

The answer from today's hip "Christians" would be "show me where in the Bible that it specifically says 'Thou shalt not rend unborn babies limb-from-limb because they're inconvenient'".

38 posted on 06/27/2013 1:47:51 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Mister Da

Good idea.


39 posted on 06/27/2013 1:49:07 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Or they say, “Who are we to judge?”


40 posted on 06/27/2013 1:49:16 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: SeekAndFind; newgeezer

The bible didn’t change!!!!


41 posted on 06/27/2013 1:50:32 PM PDT by DungeonMaster ( 1Cor 7:21Were you called while a slave? Do not be concerned about it;)
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To: Sans-Culotte
Wouldn't want to be in their shoes come Final Judgement time.

(Not sure I want to be in my shoes come Final Judgement time, but I certainly don't want to be in theirs.)

42 posted on 06/27/2013 1:51:06 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Yosemitest

Posting from a tiny phone so you’ll have to wait for links. In the meantime, what do you think the main is why almost half the marriages in the US end in divorce? Is it mostly infidelity?


43 posted on 06/27/2013 1:52:33 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Yosemitest; Natufian

I’m not sure exactly where it originated, but how about wherever “Until Death Do You Part”?

Wherever that came from.

How’s that for a source?


44 posted on 06/27/2013 1:53:16 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I consider that Dr. Moore is showing how our USA society got to where it is. That true Christians should aquiece to the debauchery of Sodom and Gomorrah is a far cry from my confirmation spirit. Such are the changes of human times but I bet not in accord with the intentions of Jesus and my God.


45 posted on 06/27/2013 2:18:18 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Natufian
It's because they don't OBEY God.
A virtuous woman is rare, but so is a good husband,
Satan works hard at tearing apart the righteous. But the non-believing, they never had a chance.
Today's people have no respect for obedience and they suffer because of it.

Now I ask you the same.
46 posted on 06/27/2013 3:00:57 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Boredom, disillusionment, buyers regret, financial or health problems, violence or abuse, found someone else, because it’s easy, because very few people think it’s bad thing (including most Christians judging by the volume and quantity of pronouncements on the topic). I’m sure there are another thousand reasons that people would cite but they’d all be along the same lines.


47 posted on 06/28/2013 6:26:36 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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