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Vatican Rentboy and Satanism Claims Revealed by Paedophile Priest Don Patrizio Poggi
International Business Times ^ | June 27, 2013 | Umberto Bacchi

Posted on 06/27/2013 11:24:02 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Italian investigators have opened an inquiry into claims by a convicted paedophile priest that an underage prostitution ring has been operating inside the Holy Roman Church with clergymen hiring rentboys for sex inside churches.

Don Patrizio Poggi, 46, told Italian authorities that a former Carabinieri pimped boys for nine clergymen.

Poggi, who served a five-year sentence for abusing teenage boys while he was a parish priest at the San Filippo Neri church in Rome, said he made the allegations to "protect the Holy Church and the Christian community."

The boys were chosen because they were starving and desperate, he claimed, according to Il Messaggero newspaper.

The former policeman used to recruit the boys, mostly eastern European immigrants, outside a gay bar named Twink near Rome's Termini train station. He reportedly sat in his Fiat Panda - marked "Emergency Blood" to avoid parking fines - to make his selection.

He was helped in the recruitment process by a friend who ran a modelling agency. He lured underage boys into prostitution through "false work offers for modelling and acting roles", Poggi said.

The agent also looked for rentboys at gay discos, saunas and gyms across Rome. An accountant was also said to be involved.

The boys were paid €150-€500 (£130-£425) to perform sex acts in church premises across the capital.

Poggi also accused the former Carabinieri of selling consecrated hosts for satanic rites.

Poggi reportedly presented documentary and photographic evidence to police in the company of two senior Vatican clergymen who vouched for his credibility.

Poggi identified the nine clergymen, including two senior church officials and a religion lecturer. Three people have been placed under formal investigation.

The allegations were rejected by the Vatican. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, head of the Catholic Vicariate of Rome, said the priest made false claims out of a desire for vengeance and personal resentment.

The Vatican refused to reinstate Poggi after he served his term.

"The cardinal expresses his full confidence in the magistracy and declares himself full convinced that this slander will be demolished, demonstrating Poggi's claims to be untrue," Vallini said.

"God will hold everyone accountable for their deeds."


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bishops; catholic; childabuse; paedophile; pedophilia; priests; rome; vatican
The boys were chosen because they were starving and desperate, he claimed, according to Il Messaggero newspaper. The former policeman used to recruit the boys, mostly eastern European immigrants, outside a gay bar named Twink near Rome's Termini train station. He reportedly sat in his Fiat Panda - marked "Emergency Blood" to avoid parking fines - to make his selection....

....The boys were paid €150-€500 (£130-£425) to perform sex acts in church premises across the capital. Poggi also accused the former Carabinieri of selling consecrated hosts for satanic rites. Poggi reportedly presented documentary and photographic evidence to police in the company of two senior Vatican clergymen who vouched for his credibility. Poggi identified the nine clergymen, including two senior church officials and a religion lecturer. Three people have been placed under formal investigation.

There is a Catholic Caucus thread titled Breaking News: Rome's Gay Clergy which mentions that as many as four standing bishops may also be implicated in the matter.

1 posted on 06/27/2013 11:24:02 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Ping to the thread, as you brought the article to our attention in your own thread.
2 posted on 06/27/2013 11:28:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Can’t the just get married?

< / USSC >


3 posted on 06/27/2013 11:30:05 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If youÂ’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Then Father Malachi Martin was right, and the letter from Our Lady of Fatima should’ve been revealed.


4 posted on 06/27/2013 11:31:19 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Alex Murphy
Italian investigators have opened an inquiry into claims by a convicted homosexual pedophile priest that an underage prostitution ring has been operating inside the Holy Roman Church with homosexual clergymen hiring rentboys for sex inside churches.

There…fixed it.

5 posted on 06/27/2013 11:43:48 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Alex Murphy; Uncle Miltie; Dr. Sivana
Alex Murphy:

Oh, there goes Alex yet again, chewing on his old slipper. This defrocked homosexual child abuser Patrizio Poggi seems like SUCH a credible witness and source.

In other news, have you heard the juicy gossip from The Tales of Maria Monk??? Or maybe a more contemporary Jack Chick comic book?

Uncle Miltie:

If you happen to be married and your wife goes away for a couple of weeks on business or to care for a relative, does she need to worry about you and the newspaper boy??? Probably not, but that scenario makes as much sense as the one you are advancing.

6 posted on 06/27/2013 12:28:18 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: Alex Murphy

“. . . beyond this great vision of the suffering of the Pope, which we can in the first instance relate to John Paul II, are indicated future realities of the Church which are little by little developing and showing themselves. Thus it is true that beyond the moment indicated in the vision, it is spoken, it is seen, the necessity of a passion of the Church . . .

“As for the new things that we can discover in this message today, there is also the fact that attacks on the Pope and the Church do not come only from the outside, but the sufferings of the Church come precisely from inside the Church, from the sin that exists in the Church. This too we have always seen, but today we see in a really terrifying way that the greatest persecution of the Church does not come from external enemies, but is born of sin in the Church, from the sin that exists in the Church...”

—Pope Benedict XVI during his pilgrimage to Fatima in May of 2010


7 posted on 06/27/2013 1:25:44 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: BlackElk; Alex Murphy

This homosexual lobby in the Vatican is well known. Even Pope Francis admitted it recently. Whether this current story Alex posted is credible or not is a moot point. Our own Pope says there is a gay lobby in the Vatican. Does Pope Francis have an agenda?


8 posted on 06/27/2013 1:30:36 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; BlackElk
This homosexual lobby in the Vatican is well known. Even Pope Francis admitted it recently. Whether this current story Alex posted is credible or not is a moot point. Our own Pope says there is a gay lobby in the Vatican. Does Pope Francis have an agenda?

My interest in following this story is to see what connection - if any - is found between a "Vatican gay lobby", and statements by John Zmirak and Philip Lawler that allege two-thirds of American bishops were complicit in covering up the abuse scandal here in the US.

I happen to think that there's a connection. What about you two?

9 posted on 06/27/2013 2:32:29 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

He should. His agenda should be to add thousands of staffers to the CDF. and revert it back to the Inquisition.

Then, appoint an Inquisitor to investigate and purge these creeps from the Church.


10 posted on 06/27/2013 3:09:53 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Alex Murphy; Dr. Brian Kopp
Alex Murphy:

John Zmirak is a friend who attended my wedding when he was a Yale undergraduate and Phil Lawler was a client before I retired.

Pope Francis does not appear to post here as a Freeper much less as one regularly devoted to Catholic bashing. I refrain almost entirely from re-fighting the Thirty Years' War here on FR which is probably intended to be a website to unify and focus conservative efforts regardless of the religious persuasion (if any) of individuals who post here.

I often post on such diverse matters as the evil of abortion, and the evil of homosexuality (including its practitioners who dishonor their priesthood and molest boys and young men), 2nd Amendment rights, race relations, crime, excess taxation, excessive spending, the despicability of the likes of Mitt Romney and his unprincipled ilk (nothing against his Mormonism which is entirely his business) and numerous other issues upon which you and I and most folks here may usually but not universally agree.

Yet all I see here from you is a steady drumbeat of anti-Catholic propaganda. It is entirely acceptable for you to be anti-Catholic or for me to have been less than pleased with the antics and likes of the Rev. Mr. Jimmy Swaggert. What I have a problem with is that whenever I see a post from you it is ALWAYS a post against Catholicism. Do you EVER post on any other subject? It is not that I dislike you but rather that I am disappointed in your obsession. I suspect that, if you were my next-door neighbor, you and I would enjoy a good-natured and spirited if somewhat combative relationship as friends.

God bless you and yours.

11 posted on 06/28/2013 2:24:43 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
I am determined to keep an open mind on Pope Francis but, thus far, I am not impressed. At worst, I survived John XXIII and Paul VI and, God willing, I will survive Pope Francis and live to see the election of another John Paul II. At best, he will surprise me and prove to be a far more brilliant pontiff than I expect him to be. In any event, for good or for ill, he is my pope for the duration.

I don't doubt that there is a "gay lobby" in the Vatican and elsewhere in the Church. I utterly deny (as I suspect you do as well) that Catholicism itself has anything that encourages or requires such an abomination. I would be encouraged by the re-institution of the Inquisition to deal with the miscreants.

12 posted on 06/28/2013 2:33:18 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: BlackElk; Dr. Brian Kopp
...all I see here from you is a steady drumbeat of anti-Catholic propaganda. It is entirely acceptable for you to be anti-Catholic or for me to have been less than pleased with the antics and likes of the Rev. Mr. Jimmy Swaggert. What I have a problem with is that whenever I see a post from you it is ALWAYS a post against Catholicism. Do you EVER post on any other subject? It is not that I dislike you but rather that I am disappointed in your obsession.

I strongly suggest you read through another thread of mine before you go any further down that road. Get back to me when you have fully digested it, and we can have a conversation about what you've seen:
What You Get Is What You See

I suspect that, if you were my next-door neighbor, you and I would enjoy a good-natured and spirited if somewhat combative relationship as friends.

So what's been stopping you from being friends with me up until now? After all, you never know when you and I have met before, or may meet again. My door's always been open.

13 posted on 06/28/2013 2:48:39 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Interesting. Interesting as well was post #4 which pointed to something that bothered me about the author of the thread.


14 posted on 06/29/2013 6:30:15 AM PDT by TradicalRC (Conservatism is primarily a Christian movement.)
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To: TradicalRC; BlackElk; Dr. Brian Kopp
Interesting. Interesting as well was post #4 which pointed to something that bothered me about the author of the thread.

IMO most FReepers ignore threads until they see a) the name of someone they know, b) their beliefs being mentioned in the thread title, and especially c) the name they know is considered "outside" of the religious organization mentioned in the thread title.

In a society that values freedom of speech and expression, there will be anti-Catholic slanders (so say the Catholics), just as there will be anti-Protestant slanders (so say the Protestants), as there will be anti-Mormon slanders (so say the Mormons) etc etc etc. And yes, there will also be pro-Catholic accolades, just as there will be pro-Protestant accolades, just as there will be pro-Mormon accolades, etc etc etc. All of them will happen. And as a result, someone's sacred cow gets gored daily in the Religion Forum, and everyone complains about the mess. What shall we do?

The Bible tells us that "without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin". I propose that FReepers adopt that verse as a mnemonic tool, to remind them that when the floors are slick with the blood of your sacred cow, you can invoke Christ's shed blood to forgive the offender. If nothing else, by forgiving one another you have placed hot coals atop his/her head (Romans 12:20, cf Proverbs 25:22), making them visibly uncomfortable and therefore providing hours of amusement for the rest of us.

And finally, by turning the other cheek (Lamentations 3:30, cf Matthew 5:39, Luke 6:29), at a minimum we reduce the number of cheek-slapping abuse reports that come in to the moderators. IMO a happy moderator with a reduced workload means higher quality ZOTs, and who doesn't enjoy watching a well-deserved ZOT?

15 posted on 06/29/2013 7:37:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Sorry, no. I won’t pretend there’s no need for abuse reports. Neither will I pretend the forum is properly moderated or moderated in an unbiased manner. (Seen Narses lately? The RM essentially banned him in one of the most egregious examples of moderator bias I’ve seen.)

No, thanks. If prefer the ZOT to the crap going on here.


16 posted on 06/29/2013 9:02:19 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Uncle Miltie

Celibacy is not the problem. Homosexuality is the problem. Now back to the subject of the thread.

This has benn hashed out many times. That’s not what the thread is about.


17 posted on 06/29/2013 9:14:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
benn been
18 posted on 06/29/2013 9:17:11 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; narses
Sorry, no. I won’t pretend there’s no need for abuse reports. Neither will I pretend the forum is properly moderated or moderated in an unbiased manner. (Seen Narses lately? The RM essentially banned him in one of the most egregious examples of moderator bias I’ve seen.) No, thanks. I prefer the ZOT to the crap going on here.

narses has neither been banned nor suspended, and remains free to post any time that she wants. If FR isn't doing what you want, then you might want to consider finding a more Catholic-oriented blog or forum that fulfills your needs.

19 posted on 06/29/2013 9:18:46 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
On the contrary, narses has indeed been banished from open threads:

To: narses
This is an "open" Religion Forum thread. Contentiousness should be expected on "open" RF threads.

Since you consider the level of discourse on this thread to be flame bait, then leave this thread and instead post to threads labeled "prayer" "devotional" "ecumenical" or "caucus."

44 posted on Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:52:03 AM by Religion Moderator

There's no more effective way to silence a prolific Catholic poster than this kind of vindictive, biased and punitive censorship, short of banning or suspending them.

And this cute little stunt by the RM did not pass unnoticed. I'm sure its burning their conscience even now.

And I notice quite a few of the usual anti-Catholic suspects here telling us Catholics that if we don't like this kind of biased treatment, go elsewhere. A lot like our government, with the DOMA decision and HHS mandate. I'm not going anywhere. Feel free to ban me, but I'll continue to call a spade a spade, thanks.

20 posted on 06/29/2013 9:28:08 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; HoosierDammit; TYVets; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

21 posted on 06/29/2013 6:06:24 PM PDT by narses
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To: BlackElk; Dr. Brian Kopp

I’ve actually enjoyed Pope Francis. Maybe he’s a protestant pope.


22 posted on 06/29/2013 7:15:50 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; narses
On the contrary, narses has indeed been banished from open threads....There's no more effective way to silence a prolific Catholic poster than this kind of vindictive, biased and punitive censorship, short of banning or suspending them.

20 posted on 06/29/2013 9:28:08 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

21 posted on 06/29/2013 6:06:24 PM PDT by narses

It's a Festivus Miracle!

23 posted on 06/29/2013 8:02:26 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: xzins
I’ve actually enjoyed Pope Francis. Maybe he’s a protestant pope.

I'm guessing that you missed this thread from a couple of weeks ago....

"Hey, Catholics: Do you know what you've done? You've chosen a Protestant pope...."
-- from the thread Pope Francis and his Protestant views

24 posted on 06/29/2013 8:06:37 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

I don’t recall seeing it, but it sounds like a great idea! Stand on our common ground.


25 posted on 06/29/2013 8:13:34 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
He was instructed to leave THAT thread, not all open RF threads.

But his refusal to comply resulted in his being put on "mute" which means the moderators on duty will review each of his comments before allowing them to be posted on thread.

It is a temporary situation. The "mute" will be lifted once it is apparent that he will no longer ignore moderator(s).

26 posted on 06/29/2013 8:37:08 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Alex Murphy

How do you know this?


27 posted on 06/29/2013 8:44:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Alex Murphy

Logic would indicate that Alex is a moderator.


28 posted on 06/29/2013 9:26:36 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Salvation

Click on Narses’ screen name in any reply by him or her. That will magically transport you to his or her FR profile page. If it’s still up then he or she has not been banned, you’d have gotten a message staing that instead of a profile page if being banned was indeed the case. The mods just couldn’t keep it secret any longer I guess, lol.


29 posted on 06/29/2013 9:39:57 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Some buses are shorter than others.


and that's all have to say about that

30 posted on 06/30/2013 7:11:17 AM PDT by BlueDragon (...for now)
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To: Alex Murphy
To: Brian Kopp DPM
He was instructed to leave THAT thread, not all open RF threads.

But his refusal to comply resulted in his being put on "mute" which means the moderators on duty will review each of his comments before allowing them to be posted on thread.

It is a temporary situation. The "mute" will be lifted once it is apparent that he will no longer ignore moderator(s).

26 posted on Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:37:08 PM by Religion Moderator
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31 posted on 06/30/2013 7:20:50 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: RegulatorCountry
To: Brian Kopp DPM
He was instructed to leave THAT thread, not all open RF threads.

But his refusal to comply resulted in his being put on "mute" which means the moderators on duty will review each of his comments before allowing them to be posted on thread.

It is a temporary situation. The "mute" will be lifted once it is apparent that he will no longer ignore moderator(s).

26 posted on Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:37:08 PM by Religion Moderator
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32 posted on 06/30/2013 7:21:58 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
oooo-- kay. And the point is?

I guess the more that see the explanation as to the truth of the matter then the better?

Carry On (my wayward son)

33 posted on 06/30/2013 7:43:12 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; RegulatorCountry
Many people feel that censorship is a violation of Freedom of Speech...Bull feathers...Censorship is NOT unconstitutional. Censors have the right to censor what you hear. The Bill of Rights says nothing about Freedom of Hearing. This, of course, takes alot of the fun out of the Freedom of Speech. Ha ha ha....Therefore, censorship does not interfere with the constitutional right of every American to sit alone in the dark, in the nude and cuss...
-- Pat Paulsen, January 7, 1968

34 posted on 06/30/2013 7:44:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
I've upped my standards now up yours

35 posted on 06/30/2013 8:22:53 AM PDT by BlueDragon (Run Pat Run!)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

That’s nicer and with far less finality than being banned. Maybe gratitude is in order rather than high moral dudgeon and flinging inaccurate accusations?

I, for one, am glad for a brief respite from seeing the same set of old cartoons and that goofy POPIOS cereal box multiple times a day. It was getting worse than anything Quix ever did, in my opinion, and Quix actually, literally was banned, not just fitted with a temporary electronic muzzle.

Try to have a thankful heart, and not strain to see bigotry in every little thing.


36 posted on 06/30/2013 10:19:48 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry; BlueDragon; Dr. Brian Kopp
That’s nicer and with far less finality than being banned. Maybe gratitude is in order rather than high moral dudgeon and flinging inaccurate accusations?

I, for one, am glad for a brief respite from seeing the same set of old cartoons and that goofy POPIOS cereal box multiple times a day. It was getting worse than anything Quix ever did, in my opinion, and Quix actually, literally was banned, not just fitted with a temporary electronic muzzle.

Quix himself had been "muted" for several months (prior to his being banned), due to his repeated flamebait-worded posts concerning Catholicism. Now that it's happened to a Catholic poster who engaged in similar behavior re Protestants, we're told that "muting" is vindictive, biased and punitive censorship for which the moderators' consciences ought to be "burning".

Maybe Quix should be allowed to come back and resume his Technicolor posts, in the name of being "unbiased"?

37 posted on 06/30/2013 10:54:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

It would only be fair.


38 posted on 06/30/2013 11:11:14 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry; Alex Murphy

Quix opused ... self-immolated ... committed seppuku ... and it had nothing to do with the misnamed and misbegotten “Religion Forum” ... he was hacked off over the 2012 Presidential election.


39 posted on 06/30/2013 11:17:31 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Quix opused ... self-immolated ... committed seppuku ... and it had nothing to do with the misnamed and misbegotten “Religion Forum” ... he was hacked off over the 2012 Presidential election.

See post #37, above.

40 posted on 06/30/2013 11:22:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

I saw that.

I also see that Quix’s opus thread seems to have been purged.

Whatever.

I know what I saw.


41 posted on 06/30/2013 11:29:25 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Well, that’s definitive.


42 posted on 06/30/2013 11:30:47 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: ArrogantBustard
Dear ArrogantBustard,

As I recall, the poster in question posted somewhat... “zany” ideas about UFOs and the like, and the postings were considered spamming, and was told in no uncertain terms, on multiple occasions, to knock it off.

As well, again, if I recall correctly, the poster also published on another site a rather nasty opus that, in part, questioned Jim Robinson's mental health and provided a pseudo-diagnosis of JimRob’s supposed mental problems. JimRob published the opus here at FR:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2902837/posts?page=1

I don't remember whether this came before or after the poster's banning, but in either case, it certainly made any chance at reinstatement a bit unlikely, LOL.

In addition to being, more or less, a final burning of bridges with FR, this, of course, was an egregious violation of the poster's supposed professional ethics, as the poster claimed to be a clinical psychologist. An alternative explanation is that the poster was not really a clinical psychologist, and thus, no violation of professional ethics occurred, merely fraud.

It would be nice to think that the poster was banned for rabid, irrational anti-Catholicism, but alas, that is not a bannable offense here on FR.


sitetest

43 posted on 06/30/2013 11:48:48 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
It would be nice to think that the poster was banned for rabid, irrational anti-Catholicism, but alas, that is not a bannable offense here on FR.

See post #15, above.

44 posted on 06/30/2013 11:53:57 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: sitetest; Alex Murphy; RegulatorCountry
Thank you, sitetest.

Quix's seppuku

Apparently, he hadn't the guts to post it here.

In any case, RegulatorCountry, it IS definitive.

You're welcome.

45 posted on 06/30/2013 12:40:39 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Definitive of what precisely?


46 posted on 06/30/2013 2:28:40 PM PDT by BlueDragon (it's enough to make a ANY clown cry)
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To: narses

Welcome “back.”


47 posted on 06/30/2013 2:30:18 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: ArrogantBustard; sitetest
Quix's seppuku

I was just wondering what happened to that crazy old coot. Thanks for the heads up.

48 posted on 06/30/2013 4:34:16 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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