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Pope Francis and the drama of sodomy in the Church and in the Diocese of Rome
RorateCaeli blog ^ | 6/27/2013 | New Catholic

Posted on 06/27/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Pope Francis and the drama of sodomy in the Church and in the Diocese of Rome
The explosive report by La7 network

The affirmation by Pope Francis that there is a “gay lobby” in the Vatican, should not be reduced to an extemporaneous quip, but evaluated and weighed in all of its tragic consequences. “There are truly some saintly people in the Curia, but there is also a current of corruption. There is talk of a “gay lobby” , and it is true, it exists. We have to see what we can do about it.”

The Holy Father pronounced these words during a private audience with the leaders of the Confederation of Latin American Religious (CLAR) which took place in Rome on the 6th of June 2013. It was a private meeting, and the interlocutor was an authoritative body, which [afterwards] drew up a written report of the Pontiff’s conversation. This text was not destined for publication, but it is authentic, demonstrated by the fact that it went all round the world without any refutation from the Holy See.


The Pope did not refer to the Church in general, but to the Vatican, which is graver, because this is where he lives, surrounded by his closest collaborators. And it is exactly inside the Leonine City he affirms that a “lobby” exists, that is, a powerful and organized group, able to do all that a lobby normally does: exercise, in a licit or illicit manner, heavy pressure by directing some decisions in their own favour. The interests of a “ gay lobby” would be, in this case, that of promoting men who share the practice or ideology of homosexuality inside the Vatican institutions, and of avoiding the condemnation of this vice as it is [condemned] by the public conscience of the Church.

Ernesto Galli della Loggia, in an article published in the “Corriere della Sera” of the 23rd of June, wrote “I ask myself what would have happened if this expression – 'gay lobby' – had been adopted by Pope Ratzinger instead of Pope Francis, or more modestly, by a representative of the most acclaimed male chauvinism such as Silvio Berlusconi (…). You do not need much to imagine [the reactions]: accusations from all parts about language blatantly homophobic, heated protests about the denigrating and persecutory intentions implied in such an expression, complaints from all the homosexual associations, (…) and so forth. As in fact happened punctually in the past every time someone used similar words, and this someone for whatever reason was hated by that political part which identifies itself (no ifs and buts about it) with the cause of homosexual civil rights. But this time the expression 'gay lobby' was used by a person like Pope Francis, who has earned the universal reputation of being 'simple and good', to strike a group of powerful prelates, who have earned – let us be clear, for reasons more than justly deserved – the same universal reputation as the 'baddies'. I add simplifying quite brutally: because this time the words in question were intended to strike at a part that is generally considered corrupt and reactionary by definition, (in the first place, from the homosexual movement itself and its exponents). And thus [the term] 'gay lobby' can be used.”

It could also be asked why the same mass-media which speaks of “moral complicity” when a bishop intervenes in a very weak way towards a pedophile priest (see example : Francesco Merlo, That Slap to Cardinal O’Brien, in “La Repubblica”, 17th May 2013) [but] they are ready to attack him with “homophobe”, if he should intervene in a firm manner with a homosexual priest. Why is pedophilia a crime and homosexuality a right? The answer is simple. For the pseudo-relativist culture, that which renders pedophilia a crime is not its moral disorder, but the fact that the acts against nature are done harming minors. The reference is not to the moral law, but to the unlimited self-determination of the individual.

Pedophilia violates the rights of minors, while homosexuality affirms those of adults. Pedophile priests and homosexual priests in reality, appear to form the same “lobby” that is why they drink from the same libertarian, pansexual ideology, which has also penetrated inside the Church over the last fifty years.

The “homo-heresy”, namely, the theology of homosexuality, denounced by Father Dario Oko (With the Pope against Homoheresy), goes hand in hand with the theology of married priests. In both cases the enemy is the ecclesiastic celibate, a moral pillar which the Church has held on to since Her origins. Anyway, if the Pope expressed himself in these terms, he did so for obvious reasons. Some, such as the vaticanist Ignazio Ingrao, sustain that an entire chapter dedicated to the “gay network” is present in the relatio reported by the three cardinals charged by Benedict XVI to investigate the Curia: Julian Herranz, Salvatore De Giorgi and Jozef Tomko (Panorama, 24th June 2013). There are those who hypothesize that it was exactly the discovery of the presence of this network that would have pushed the abdication of Pope Benedict, by then intent in renouncing the Papacy. (“Il Fatto” 11th June 2013). There are also those who think that the words of the Pope would not be extraneous to the news that reached him about the events of Almo Collegio Capranica, denounced on the site “Corrispondenza Romana” in the article “The Drama of Sodomy in the diocese of Rome” which was promptly obscured by the Roman Tribunal. Behind that law-suit was the Rector of the Almo Collegio.

During the news on “La7 on the 25th June (http://tg.la7.it/cronaca/video-i722957) we learned of an inquiry in course by the Roman Magistrates concerning a head-spinning ring of sexual encounters hosted by religious with minors. The denunciation which triggered off the investigation would contain around twenty names, among which is a papal master of ceremonies, a secretary to the Cardinal Vicar, four parish priests in charge of as many parishes to the north and west of Rome and other personalities of a high ecclesiastical level.

The behavior of certain ecclesiastical authorities confronted with scandals of this sort is astounding. When they learn of the existence of an immoral situation in a parish, in a college, in a seminary, they do not proceed to verify the truth, remove the guilty party and eliminate the filth, but manifest annoyance, if not reprobation towards those that have denounced the evil, and, in the best of cases, they limit themselves by taking into consideration that which may interest civil justice, for fear of being involved in judicial matters. They are silent about that which has purely a moral and canonical significance. The slogan could be “ zero tolerance” for the pedophiles, “maximum tolerance “ for homosexuals. The latter continue unperturbedly to occupy their places as parish priests, bishops, rectors of Colleges, forming that “homo-mafia” which Pope Francis defines as the “gay lobby.”

The Pope’s affirmation goes beyond the grave denunciation of the “ filth in the Church” made by Cardinal Ratzinger on Good Friday 2005, on the eve of his election to the Papacy. Also in that case the future Benedict XVI was certainly referring to the moral plague which, under the form of pedophilia, ephebophilia or more simply homosexuality was spreading throughout the Church. But the significance of Francis’ declaration is wider and reaches the one of Paul VI who in his homily of 29th June 1972, stated that “from some crack, the smoke of Satan” had entered “the Temple of God.” What is happening is exactly the consequence of that smoke of Satan which today is covering and suffocating the Church. Will Pope Francis intervene? This is the heartfelt plea of all those who are praying and battling for an authentic doctrinal and moral reform of the Mystical Body of Christ.

[Roberto de Mattei, Corrispondenza Romana, June 27, 2013; translation and source: Contributor Francesca Romana.]


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This is going to explode on the international media soon. No use trying to pretend its just anti-Catholic propaganda.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

1 posted on 06/27/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

I agree. Prune the dead limbs off the bush. The bush will come back stronger and healthier than ever - given time.


2 posted on 06/27/2013 2:32:27 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
No use trying to pretend its just anti-Catholic propaganda.

Oh, I'm sure some Catholics will call it that anyway.

3 posted on 06/27/2013 2:39:44 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

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4 posted on 06/27/2013 2:41:19 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: sneakers
The behavior of certain ecclesiastical authorities confronted with scandals of this sort is astounding.

When they learn of the existence of an immoral situation in a parish, in a college, in a seminary, they do not proceed to verify the truth, remove the guilty party and eliminate the filth, but manifest annoyance,

if not reprobation towards those that have denounced the evil,
and, in the best of cases, they limit themselves by taking into consideration that which may interest civil justice,
for fear of being involved in judicial matters.
They are silent about that
which has purely a moral and canonical significance.
The slogan could be “ zero tolerance” for the pedophiles,
“maximum tolerance “ for homosexuals.
The latter continue unperturbedly to occupy their places
as parish priests, bishops, rectors of Colleges,
forming that “homo-mafia,”
which Pope Francis defines as the “gay lobby.”

5 posted on 06/27/2013 2:44:34 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
The so called “pedophile priest” is almost nonexistent. It is repeated as anti-Catholic propaganda. Most of the these cases were homosexual priests and young men in their late teens. The Catholic seminaries and colleges include many homosexual priests. Michael Rose in “Goodbye Good Men” and others have documented this. Priests have contracted AIDS at a rate several times greater that of other men. There has been a homosexual conspiracy within the Catholic Church. Several Bishops including Archbishop Weakland (who secretly paid off his boyfriend with $500,000 in church funds) are said to be part of this homosexual conspiracy.

Pope Benedict worked to solve this problem, first as a Cardinal and then as Pope. Pope Francis must expel these people from the church.

6 posted on 06/27/2013 2:44:41 PM PDT by detective
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To: Alex Murphy
Oh, I'm sure some Catholics will call it that [anti-Catholic propaganda] anyway.
Alex, I don't think so. This tragic news, however, doesn't make the Eucharist any less Real.
7 posted on 06/27/2013 2:45:08 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: detective
"Pope Francis must expel these people from the church."

It can't be hard to know who is who.

Do the deed, already.

I hate talkers. This is a known problem. They know who the problem people are. Expel them. Stop talking. Do it.

8 posted on 06/27/2013 2:49:47 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If you’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: detective

You are a detective?


9 posted on 06/27/2013 2:55:46 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Uncle Miltie

I agree 100%.

It is standard operating procedure for the homosexual conspirators to “lie and deny”. They claim to be victims. They speak of the need for tolerance.

Expel them from the church before they do more damage.


10 posted on 06/27/2013 2:55:54 PM PDT by detective
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Michael Voris is reporting from Rome today that the recruiter for the boy prostitution ring has also stolen Sacred Hosts and sold them to satanists.


11 posted on 06/27/2013 2:59:57 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Yep-—the Catholic Church has got to proclaim the Truth-—pick up the sword and fight Satan/Evil again. There is no compromise with Truth and Evil.

They need to eject all the homosexual Marxists that infiltrated the Church in the 30’s and 40’s who intimidated and bribed the Good-—to restore the Glory of the Church. We need to repair all the Vatican II damage-—all the heresies/errors that entered all the Universities and schools and Churches which ejected Masculinity from the Church.

Get back to curricula prior to 1940’s when the Truth wasn’t being compromised. Bella Dodd, a Communist converted to Catholicism by Abp. Fulton Sheen, gave testimony to the infiltration of the Communists into the Catholic Church—and the Teacher’s Unions, etc. She is an interesting read and was murdered.


12 posted on 06/27/2013 3:01:14 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Alex Murphy

Mostly “ex-Catholics” will say that.

Nobody had any doubt that there was a serious gay mafia at the Vatican and virtually in any other place (chanceries, religious orders, etc.) you cared to mention. It was something the Church has had to fight against constantly, because whenever you have a somewhat closed bureaucratic environment where people can get into “amiguismo” (that is, friends appointing friends), you are opening the door to corruption. Sometimes it’s sexual, sometimes it’s financial, sometimes it’s just the losers promoting the losers (thinking of a lot of US bishops - who aren’t gay and aren’t necessarily evil, but are just dumb and lazy...).

But after Vatican II, with the destruction of the power of the bishops and the attempted destruction of the Faith, it became the norm and decent guys who went to seminary had to pick a seminary based on how few gays it had...but they were everywhere. Many good men were driven away.

BXVI obviously realized he didn’t have the strength to fight this, although obviously he had identified it (the report was originally given to him just before he resigned and then he shared it with Francis in a joint meeting).

Pope Francis is like the crazy uncle who says unexpected things at the dinner party, and I think he is exactly the one to break this up.


13 posted on 06/27/2013 3:05:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

“Many good men were driven away.” Good men are never driven away. Never.


14 posted on 06/27/2013 3:12:18 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler

Well, they were sure driven away from Catholic seminaries. I know some.


15 posted on 06/27/2013 3:13:52 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Dittos. Unfortunately its still happening in some places.


16 posted on 06/27/2013 3:18:45 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: detective

I’m not Catholic, but a group has to have standards. I respect the Catholic Church for the fact that it does have standards.

But it reduces my respect for Catholicism that it can’t address the huge problem they have had in front of them for decades.

Either become the Gay Church, or fire the homosexuals already.

Sheesh!

I don’t mind homosexuals in my workplace. That’s fine. We’re not organized for the purpose of teaching and demonstrating morality. But the Church is. If you can’t adhere to core principles, fold up the tent and go away.


17 posted on 06/27/2013 3:18:54 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If you’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: mlizzy

“This tragic news, however, doesn’t make the Eucharist any less Real.”

Exactly!


18 posted on 06/27/2013 3:28:13 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; mlizzy
“This tragic news, however, doesn’t make the Eucharist any less Real.”

Exactly!

That, coupled with the bible makes it pretty unreal...

19 posted on 06/27/2013 3:49:04 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

I’m a Catholic and think priests should be allowed to marry women. Homosexual priests should not be allowed to marry as that is against Bible teachings.


20 posted on 06/27/2013 3:49:15 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Iscool

No, the exact opposite. The Bible clearly indicates it is Christ’s body.


21 posted on 06/27/2013 3:59:01 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Marcella

I’m a Catholic, and for several years I attended a Ukrainian Greek Catholic parish where our pastor was married and a father and a grandfather.

But relaxing the discipline on the celibate priesthood in the Latin Rite Church will do nothing whatsoever to address the fact that the Latin Rite admitted homosexuals into the priesthood, and those homosexuals did what homosexuals want to do, i.e., chicken-hawking.

The two issues simply are not related. We can expel gay priests from the priesthood, and keep them from becoming priests, any time the Church has the guts and the backbone to do what’s right.

We don’t need to do anything about the celibate priest status quo to fix this problem whatsoever. We just need to be Catholic again, and return to our former discipline of weeding out any and all homosexuals from the priesthood.


22 posted on 06/27/2013 4:00:52 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
The attempt to normalize buggery is indeed abominable. But opposing it is not well served by embracing absurd positions like:

The “homo-heresy”, namely, the theology of homosexuality, denounced by Father Dario Oko (With the Pope against Homoheresy), goes hand in hand with the theology of married priests.

Really?? Equating the overthrow of traditional sexual morality with the normal practice of the Church outside the Patriarchate of Rome from Apostolic times down to the present? If married priests are equated with normalizing buggery by anyone with actual authority in the Latin church, I suppose we Orthodox could expect the Uniates to return en masse.

23 posted on 06/27/2013 4:04:21 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Marcella

Episcopalian priests are allowed to marry...and the Episcopal church is stuffed to the brim with homosexuals and always has been. And now the Episcopalian gay clergy can “marry” each other, which they have already been doing in the US and in the Anglican churches in the UK.


24 posted on 06/27/2013 4:05:29 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Pope Francis is like the crazy uncle who says unexpected things at the dinner party, and I think he is exactly the one to break this up.
-lol- Phrased well, to be sure... My husband mentioned yesterday (in the same vein) that Pope Francis is a bit of a "loose cannon," so maybe it IS time for him to let a few rip...
25 posted on 06/27/2013 4:07:15 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: livius

Vatican II, had to do with the encouragement of the 1960’s. It was just the open acknowledgement, of Rome’s prior real direction of faith. There is no faking the obvious history of staggering papal abuse of the Faithful, by political corruption at the highest points of contact/contract. There is a good reason, you know some who were driven, to not attend.


26 posted on 06/27/2013 4:14:41 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: The_Reader_David
The “homo-heresy”, namely, the theology of homosexuality, denounced by Father Dario Oko (With the Pope against Homoheresy), goes hand in hand with the theology of married priests.

Really??

No. I missed that in the original post, thanks for pointing it out.

The author of that piece is a trad Catholic and has made an error of either phrasing or judgment.

In the Latin Church at present, the vast majority of those militating for a married priesthood tend to be heterodox and liberal (and therefore soft on homosexuality) while those defending the celibate priesthood tend to be conservative/orthodox or traditional.

Therefore Trads tend to lump anyone who supports a married priesthood together with those who are soft on homosexuality.

This is an internal debate. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Eastern Orthodox and their reasons for a married priesthood.

27 posted on 06/27/2013 4:15:28 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
I’m a Catholic, and for several years I attended a Ukrainian Greek Catholic parish where our pastor was married and a father and a grandfather. But relaxing the discipline on the celibate priesthood in the Latin Rite Church will do nothing whatsoever to address the fact that the Latin Rite admitted homosexuals into the priesthood, and those homosexuals did what homosexuals want to do, i.e., chicken-hawking.

You bring up an interesting point that I had never considered. Are you saying that the abuse problem was for the most part contained within the Latin Rite churches?

28 posted on 06/27/2013 4:15:35 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: RedHeeler

Since you are not a Catholic, you may not know that many men wanted to enter the seminary, but chose not to do so because of the homosexual corruption therein.

Pope Benedict XVI sent a crew around to all the seminaries to clean them up. If you want the FR link history — I’ll be glad to send it to you.


29 posted on 06/27/2013 4:16:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Marcella

Are you a member of an Eastern church? Then a man may marry, but if he does, he may never be a Bishop.


30 posted on 06/27/2013 4:17:51 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Okay. Thanks for the information. Salvation, how would/do you know my faith in God?


31 posted on 06/27/2013 4:20:12 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Alex Murphy

No, there have been cases among Byzantine Catholics as well as Eastern Orthodox, both of which permit married priests. A married priesthood does not insulate a church from homosexual predators. Mainstream protestant churches have just as big a problem, even though the MSM would have us believe otherwise by their biased reporting of stats and facts. Of course, the abuse rates in any religious denomination is eclipsed by the rates among public school teachers (who last I checked were allowed to marry) but no one is talking about that.

On an interesting side note, I once had a patient who still had her original contract as a teacher from the early 1920s. It forbid teachers to date or marry. The contract changed in 1923 or so. How times have changed.


32 posted on 06/27/2013 4:21:48 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: detective

Ephebophilia...repeat over and over

Homosexual men abusing adolescent boys. You got it right. MSM will not say this to protect the gay lobby.


33 posted on 06/27/2013 4:23:21 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
No, there have been cases among Byzantine Catholics as well as Eastern Orthodox, both of which permit married priests. A married priesthood does not insulate a church from homosexual predators.

Actually, I wasn't thinking of the married vs celibate priesthood issue. Rather, I had thought you were saying that sexual abuse was a Latin Rite issue. Thinking there might be something there, I thus wondered whether there was some larger cultural, historical, or theological distinctive within the Latin Rite (e.g. a preference for Italian popes) that rendered them more susceptible to abuse within their ranks.

If the numbers are the same across the Rites, then my reading of your post and ensuing assumptions were false.

34 posted on 06/27/2013 4:28:47 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: livius

I know several young men from my own parish...note: several, that left the seminary...they were at Mount St. Mary’s...because of the “shower games” on the third floor.


35 posted on 06/27/2013 4:32:50 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
No use trying to pretend its just anti-Catholic propaganda.

This time.....

Thanks for that tacit admission.

36 posted on 06/27/2013 4:34:58 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Alex Murphy

I recall posting on a thread that homosexuality is rampant in EO seminaries by the admission of a former seminarian who’s a close friend of my sister and was basically called the *l* word for it.

However, I doubt there will be any retraction for that, and it does verify the report.


37 posted on 06/27/2013 4:37:40 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

I’ve always been brutally honest about this subject in all my posts on this forum. No one wants this curse to end more than those of us who are uncompromising and unapologetic Catholics, and it serves no purpose to try to hide or downplay the reality of this situation.

In my diocese the only thing that got rid of the homosexual abusive priests was media exposure of the problem. And I made damn sure the local media got on the story, and got their facts straight.


38 posted on 06/27/2013 4:41:44 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Salvation

“Are you a member of an Eastern church?”

No, I’m a Texas Catholic with several firearms, guess that makes me a “soldier of the cross”. I’ve been a student of the Bible since I was a young child. Man made church rules that differ from the Bible, don’t mean much to me. I’m really a member of Christ’s heavenly church, not so much an earthly church.


39 posted on 06/27/2013 4:44:25 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
I’ve always been brutally honest about this subject in all my posts on this forum.

Which has not gone unnoticed. You are one of the few who makes no appearance of defending or excusing it.

Were there more like you, these discussions would certainly take a different tone.

While we don't agree on theology, I have the highest respect for anyone who has the backbone to take an unswerving stand for what they believe.

Hats off to you.

40 posted on 06/27/2013 4:47:33 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Iscool
That, coupled with the bible makes it pretty unreal...

Only if you ignore John 6 and 1 Corinthians 11, for starters. Your oft demonstrated modus operandi is to ignore most of Scripture.

41 posted on 06/27/2013 4:49:30 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
No use trying to pretend its just anti-Catholic propaganda.

Not unless some try to pretend that this aberration is typical of the Catholic priesthood or is representative of Catholicism. As a Catholic I am sadly well aware that these perverts have infected the Catholic priesthood as they have many other institutions in society. Much of the problems that have arisen in the Catholic Church over the last 40 years can be traced to their presence and their attempts to change the faith. I, for one, would like to see this brought to the light of day so that they can be excised from the Church.

42 posted on 06/27/2013 4:53:09 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Marcella
I’m a Catholic and think priests should be allowed to marry women.

Despite the teaching of Christ and St. Paul?

By the way, 21 of the 22 Churches sui juris which comprise the Catholic Church, ordain, as a norm, married men. However, none of those Churches allows a Priest to marry after ordination. Just like the Greek Orthodox Church.

43 posted on 06/27/2013 4:53:12 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Iscool
Only if you ignore John 6 and 1 Corinthians 11, for starters. Your oft demonstrated modus operandi is to ignore most of Scripture.

As opposed to Catholics and the Catholic church which ignores 1 Corinthians 5?

Every time I post it the silence from the Catholics is deafening.

44 posted on 06/27/2013 4:54:27 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

It will be interesting to see how that whole situation plays out. Will they expel or embrace?


45 posted on 06/27/2013 4:57:48 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: All

You know what? This is absolutely upsetting and horrifying for many of us Catholics here. It would be nice if the Protestants here would take the high road ...just for once... out of respect for what many of us feel right now.


46 posted on 06/27/2013 5:04:18 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
You know what? This is absolutely upsetting and horrifying for many of us Catholics here. It would be nice if the Protestants here would take the high road ...just for once... out of respect for what many of us feel right now.

Feelings? Get over it.

I'm going to presume that most Catholic posters here are adults. There's no reason to treat you like children whose feelings are hurt. Man up. It's time you guys faced the reality of what's going on in your church.

Truth hurts sometimes.

47 posted on 06/27/2013 5:19:56 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Amen. Sunshine and disinfectant and strong brushes and high pressure hoses.


48 posted on 06/27/2013 5:24:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: metmom

This is not the time for Bible back and forth and proving who has the truth and who does not.

And don’t give me the “Truth hurt sometimes”. I’m one of the few folks who have been taking our hierarchy to task lately...and you know it.

This isn’t about treating others like children. It’s about treating them with respect. Is that possible?


49 posted on 06/27/2013 5:25:00 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
It's all right. We've been around for thousands of years. We will survive this.

[16] Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. [20] Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.

50 posted on 06/27/2013 5:26:13 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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