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Hey Remember When Polygamy Had Nothing to do with Gay Marriage? Yeah Well...
Creative Minority Report ^ | June 27, 2013 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 06/28/2013 7:16:07 AM PDT by NYer

Traditional marriage advocates have long argued that once you establish that marriage is simply a contract between consenting adults, polygamy is a necessary logical outgrowth. And every time we attempted to raise this point, others explained to us to shutup.

Well, it seems that shutup time is done as polygamists are celebrating The Supreme Court's decision as well.

Buzzfeed reports:

The Supreme Court’s rulings in favor of same-sex marriage Wednesday were greeted with excitement by polygamists across the country, who viewed the gay rights victory as a crucial step toward the country’s inevitable acceptance of plural marriage.

Anne Wilde, a vocal advocate for polygamist rights who practiced the lifestyle herself until her husband died in 2003, praised the court’s decision as a sign that society’s stringent attachment to traditional “family values” is evolving.

“I was very glad… The nuclear family, with a dad and a mom and two or three kids, is not the majority anymore,” said Wilde. “Now it’s grandparents taking care of kids, single parents, gay parents. I think people are more and more understanding that as consenting adults, we should be able to raise a family however we choose.”

“We’re very happy with it,” said Joe Darger, a Utah-based polygamist who has three wives. “I think [the court] has taken a step in correcting some inequality, and that’s certainly something that’s going to trickle down and impact us.”

Noting that the court found the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional because the law denied marriage rights to a specific class of people, Darger said, “Our very existence has been classified as criminal… and I think the government needs to now recognize that we have a right to live free as much as anyone else.”...

But polygamists in the United States, where bigamy is a crime, have taken cues from the marriage equality movement, and the few public champions of the lifestyle have deliberately positioned themselves as libertarian-minded gay rights advocates as well. Following gay rights activists’ lead, polygamist families — like the Browns, with their TLC reality show Sister Wives, and the Dargers, who came out with a book last year — have come forward to convince the American public that their lifestyle can be wholesome and normal...

“I’m not a fortune-teller, but it seems like if more people are accepting of gay marriage, it would follow that polygamist marriage wouldn’t be criticized quite so much.”
Anita Wagner Illig, a leading polygamy activist, told U.S. News & World Report that gay-rights campaigners had set a welcome precedent. "We polyamorists are grateful to our brothers and sisters for blazing the marriage equality trail," she said.

So when we talk about gay marriage meaning the destruction of marriage, we kinda' mean it.



TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; polyamory; polygamy; polygyny
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1 posted on 06/28/2013 7:16:07 AM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
In presenting the SCOTUS ruling the other day, a local news anchorette used the term "Gay Americans" .... as though being "gay" equated to a race. Does protocol then follow that a gay African American should identify himself as such? Following such logic, how do we then classify the un gay. "Hello, my name is Bill and I am a "Straight, Caucasian, Italian American"?

This is reminiscent of the various colored ribbons worn to show support for a particular cause. The absurdity of that era was best demonstrated by Rush Limbaugh who showed up on his (short lived) tv program one evening, sporting every colored ribbon available.


2 posted on 06/28/2013 7:16:34 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer
The nuclear family, with a dad and a mom and two or three kids, is not the majority anymore

And this is the whole point - the destruction of the family.

3 posted on 06/28/2013 7:18:15 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB; NYer

Part of the problem was the “two or three kids.” That’s not a natural average.


4 posted on 06/28/2013 7:21:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: Tax-chick

It’s not average in the circles I run in, for sure... :)

Of course, the circles I run in don’t believe the humanist lies, either.


5 posted on 06/28/2013 7:21:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: NYer
Legality and morality are two separate things.

Now that legal marriage has defined itself to be immoral, churches should abandon the practice of having their followers register their marriages with the state.

Let the deviants have their mouthful of ashes.

6 posted on 06/28/2013 7:22:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: MrB

Threesome and foursome marriages will be legal in at least one state by 2025. You might as well prepare for it, and the ramifications of Congress and the Senate trying to imagine how social security or benefits will work in such a deal. It’ll trigger three years being carved off the social security program.

The more curious event that will occur by the end of next year....is some 13-year old boy who wants to marry a forty-five year old man, in New Hampshire, and they have to sue a judge to sign approval...because the parents refuse to do so. This will trigger up a hundred guys rushing up to find themselves a ‘young friend’ to marry.


7 posted on 06/28/2013 7:23:25 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: MrB

Legally-recognized “polyamory” isn’t going to make its practitioners any happier than just doing it has, and the same for homosexuals. Life doesn’t work when you believe lies about human nature, any more than it does when you believe lies about gravity.


8 posted on 06/28/2013 7:25:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: NYer
Yeah, I remember hearing this argument time and time again. All I could do was say "Polygamy has been far more prevalent throughout human history than gay marriage. How do you ignore such precedent?"

But to a libtard, nothing in history matters until they arrived on the scene . . . unless it is convenient to push their agenda.

9 posted on 06/28/2013 7:25:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: NYer

Well, what would one expect when you take foundational religious rites, morality, societal betterment and normal natural predilection out of the equation?


10 posted on 06/28/2013 7:28:05 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: NYer
We typically think of Mormon's when we hear polygamy. But let us not forget polygamy is a big part of Islam as well. I wonder if the country is ready to see a male Muslim's with a cadre of burka covered women following him around?
11 posted on 06/28/2013 7:30:01 AM PDT by apillar
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To: NYer
I see it, along with amnesty will come full blown muslim immigration. Groups like CAIR will no longer feel the need to remain silent, since polygamy is part of Sharia. We'll get polygamy laws along with laws against "insulting the Prophet of Islam (Peace be upon him)".

The real fun will come when the uneasy alliance (think Hitler/Stalin non aggression pact) between the secular left and the muslims is broken. CW II here we come

12 posted on 06/28/2013 7:30:19 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: NYer

Santorum called it and was hammered for it.

Got to love our Republican Appointed Supremes

We’re in the Mother of all $h1tstorms

God help us all


13 posted on 06/28/2013 7:30:55 AM PDT by WomBom ("I read Free Republic for the pictures")
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To: Vigilanteman
Yeah, I remember hearing this argument time and time again. All I could do was say "Polygamy has been far more prevalent throughout human history than gay marriage. How do you ignore such precedent?"

And scarily, enough the same argument could be made for adult/child marriage. For most of history and even in many cultures today, girls are married off at 12 or 13 and in some cases even as young as 8.

14 posted on 06/28/2013 7:33:31 AM PDT by apillar
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To: NYer

Am I the only one who is more inclined to accept polygamy than homosexuality? At least there is some biblical and traditional arguments precedence and at least they can procreate.


15 posted on 06/28/2013 7:34:23 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: pepsionice
"Threesome and foursome marriages will be legal in at least one state by 2025."

Much sooner than that in my humble opinion. It will be fun to watch some of those that supported gay marriage and homosexual rights try to demonize polygamy as it will take some of the spotlight off their cause.

This is coming, there is no way to stop it.

Robert Heinlein wrote about the construction of Line/Clan and Group marriages in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and while it is science fiction, it exposed me to such notions while I was in my teens, in fact I read about gay unions and homosexual practices in sci-fi long before the issue was on the national stage.
16 posted on 06/28/2013 7:35:33 AM PDT by The Louiswu (One brave man, that's all we need.)
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To: pepsionice

2025, who about 2014


17 posted on 06/28/2013 7:48:08 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: wolfman23601

Yeah, but that’s just because you put some authority in the Word of God...

it’s a white cultural bias on your part.

/libspeak


18 posted on 06/28/2013 7:50:00 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: NYer

Took only 48 hours before district courts were presented with petitions to end the prohibition of polygamy.
The courts no longer have an argument against it.


19 posted on 06/28/2013 7:51:17 AM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: wolfman23601
Yes, but there will be homosexual polygamy, and polygamy involving transsexuals where one person will be wife to another person and husband to someone else. That's how enlightened people do it, not like you bible-thumping, one-person-of-the-opposite-sex-marrying troglodytes. /heavy sarc.

The country is done. It is fractured and bankrupt. Time to make the split official.
20 posted on 06/28/2013 7:55:54 AM PDT by needmorePaine
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To: wolfman23601

It won’t just be one man and multiple wives, Old Testament style, it will be polyamorous with multiple spouses of both sexes all shacked up. The whole thing is a mess, and there is no way to fight it once it is ruled that there is a constitutional right to marry anyone, which is most surely coming.


21 posted on 06/28/2013 7:55:55 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: apillar
For most of history and even in many cultures today, girls are married off at 12 or 13 and in some cases even as young as 8.

Let's not forget that Mohammed married a 6 year old. He waited until she was 9 to have sex though.

22 posted on 06/28/2013 8:00:09 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Tagline copyright in violation of Directive 10-289)
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To: NYer

Hey Polygamists.....Strike while the Iron’s HOT....and you who are into Beastiality, you’re door is open. ANYTHING GOES, BABY!!! 5 PEOPLE WANT TO MARRY....no problem!!


23 posted on 06/28/2013 8:01:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: The Louiswu

I recall group marriages and gay stuff/societies (usually cast in a negative light but not always) in sci-fi, but I can’t recall any that postulated “gay marriage.” I wonder what the first sci-fi story was that mentions ‘gay marriage’ specifically, did it come before or after the concept was thought of in real society. I wonder if there was any sci-fi story that predicted ‘gay marriage’ would actually be recognized in western society before group marriages.

Freegards


24 posted on 06/28/2013 8:02:18 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: NYer

Anybody who couldn’t see that slope is blind. It was completely obvious to me.

And, after the polyamory types will come the pedophiles and beastialists. After that, my imagination fails me. But, hopefully, I won’t live that long.

God forgive us.


25 posted on 06/28/2013 8:05:44 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Ransomed

I’m going to start with The Forever War by Joe Haldeman.


26 posted on 06/28/2013 8:07:32 AM PDT by The Louiswu (One brave man, that's all we need.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
there is no way to fight it once it is ruled that there is a constitutional right to marry anyone, which is most surely coming.

At this point, the way to fight it is to take the libertarian stance of getting government out of the marriage licensing business. The culture shift is too great to force by law a return to traditional marriage between one adult male and one adult female.

Let the entire Miami Heat basketball team "marry" or "civil unionize" each other by written contract with optional religious ceremony if they want...but don't grant government benefits or impose different tax rates based on relationship status.

If there's a relationship dispute, resolve under the terms of the underlying contract.



27 posted on 06/28/2013 8:08:02 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Tagline copyright in violation of Directive 10-289)
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To: Ransomed

Possibly Harrison’s “Forever War.” But, by the end of the book, EVERYBODY was gay and heteros were considered deviants, so they might have skipped that...


28 posted on 06/28/2013 8:08:41 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: apillar

They will be pushing for it, and anyone who objects? ‘Islamaphobic’!
They have the race-homo grievance schtick down pat.


29 posted on 06/28/2013 8:30:49 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: NYer

What about incest?????? The related have right too rights too


30 posted on 06/28/2013 8:49:08 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: NYer

Don’t worry, when Sharia law is implemented, they will be hanging homos from cranes, just like in Iran. And it will be so easy. They will have marriage registrys to lead the way.


31 posted on 06/28/2013 8:49:42 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class. You can't legally marry a fourth one.)
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To: NYer

They are laughing over this one in Riyadh, Mecca, Medina, Cairo, and Bagdad.

Wouldn;t be surprised if the Muslim “community” in America urged our politicians to vote for this one PRECISELY because they KNEW the ramifications.


33 posted on 06/28/2013 8:49:59 AM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: NYer
Anne Wilde, a vocal advocate for polygamist rights who practiced the lifestyle herself until her husband died in 2003

Wouldn't that mean she'd need to practice harder?

34 posted on 06/28/2013 8:51:10 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Unreconstructed heterosexual.)
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To: Little Ray

I chalk it up to either intentional deception,
or the arrogance of Humanism.

The latter is explained thusly:
Humanism’s primary tenet is that people know right and wrong for themselves, and those alive today know right and wrong better than those in the past, so today’s judgment of right and wrong is correct.
The blindspot is that there will come humanists tomorrow that see the judgement of today’s humanists as incorrect.

For some reason, they can’t see this.


35 posted on 06/28/2013 8:53:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: NYer

Pandora’s box has been cracked wide open.

God help us!


36 posted on 06/28/2013 8:53:32 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: MrB

That must be the difference.
I tend to look back to tradition for what is right or wrong, not the whims of popular culture. I wince every time I see “the wisdom of children breaking with tradition” meme blasted at me on TV. Makes most TV pretty much unwatchable.


37 posted on 06/28/2013 8:59:32 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray

Humanism is a religion that began with the words
“you will be as gods, knowing good and evil”.

And liberalism is based on that religion and the assumptions thereof.


38 posted on 06/28/2013 9:01:04 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: The Louiswu; Little Ray

Thanks, that’s like mid 70s. I’ve never read that, the only Halderman I recall are some war stories in anthologies, can’t even remember the stories. Do you recall if he used ‘gay marriage’ as a term? I see from wiki almost all of humanity eventually goes gay, actually sounds pretty interesting, if horrific.

Freegards


39 posted on 06/28/2013 9:05:32 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: MrB

I know who said that. And he wasn’t on our side...


40 posted on 06/28/2013 9:18:23 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Ransomed

Halderman, not Harrison. You’re right. Been watching B5 and Harrison was a consultant...


41 posted on 06/28/2013 9:19:37 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Ransomed

Also, there Melissa Scott had something like that in “5/12s of Heaven.” But that was more of a science/fantasy novel.

http://www.amazon.com/Five-Twelfths-Heaven-Melissa-Scott/dp/0671559524/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372436489&sr=8-1&keywords=five+twelfths+of+heaven

That was published in 1985.


42 posted on 06/28/2013 9:22:24 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: NYer

I’m not a fortune-teller, but it seems like if more people are accepting of gay marriage, it would follow that polygamist marriage wouldn’t be criticized quite so much.”


Well yeah, even as ignorant as i am i would think the same thing but it does not always work out like that.

The Bible tells us very plainly that homosexuality is an abomination but there is no such thing about plural marriage.

Since Gay marriage is about nothing except hatred toward God they want to use things that go against Gods very word.

The polygamist believe that if an abomination such as gay marriage can be excepted then why would such a minor thing such as plural marriage be such a big deal, they will go along with anything just to get their own way.

I would think that smoking a cigarette would not be such a big thing considering the fact that the majority of the people are as shown by the way they vote excepting an abomination such as gay marriage.

But i am not about to cheer for such an abomination.

I am sure to hear from people who think that using tobacco or drinking coffee is a sin, forget it, you would just be using tour own Gospel. not Christs.


43 posted on 06/28/2013 9:28:37 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: apillar
For most of history and even in many cultures today, girls are married off at 12 or 13 and in some cases even as young as 8.

You are talking mainly about the sicko Muslim cultures of today and the throwbacks to pre-medeival times. But I repeat myself.

In many native American cultures (including my Cherokee ancestors), it was traditional to betroth a girl barely out of diapers and, while these can be listed as marriages (much to the delight of perverts and the confusion of records when the tribe started keeping them in the late 18th century), these were in reality contracts for marriage with the actual delivery of the goods not taking place for another decade or so.

Yeah, it sounds weird to outsiders, but it was not uncommon even among whites in the Victorian Era and among Oriental cultures until a generation or two ago. The motivations were remarkably similar-- to build alliances among families and businesses and stability in the community.

44 posted on 06/28/2013 9:59:06 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: wolfman23601
Am I the only one who is more inclined to accept polygamy than homosexuality?

Count me in. Polygamy is merely weird. Homosexuality is abnormal, aberrant and deviant.

45 posted on 06/28/2013 10:02:22 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: NYer; All

Okay to that Freeper who told me that mormons where for gay scouts because of this in the Boy Scout Thread I believe you now!


46 posted on 06/28/2013 10:34:49 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: NYer

Man I rember Rush on KCOP Channel 13 when he was fat


47 posted on 06/28/2013 10:59:43 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: svcw

I hear TLC Sister wives may file lawsuit soon in Nevada


48 posted on 06/28/2013 11:00:23 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: NYer

A Bi-Sexual marriage would require polygamy.


49 posted on 06/28/2013 12:07:34 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Fight the culture of nothing.)
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To: pepsionice
The more curious event that will occur by the end of next year....is some 13-year old boy who wants to marry a forty-five year old man, in New Hampshire, and they have to sue a judge to sign approval...because the parents refuse to do so.

This is their goal. Step one: normalize sodomy. Step two: lower the age of consent. They are just one step away from their dream of legal man/boy sex.

50 posted on 06/28/2013 7:26:45 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Harriet Meiers is looking pretty good right about now.)
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