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Andrew Sullivan: Religion OK with divorce, why not same-sex marriage?
Breitbart TV ^ | 6/30/2013

Posted on 06/30/2013 3:01:57 PM PDT by markomalley

Gay commentator Andrew Sullivan on Sunday CNN’s Fareed Zakaria: “I would say the religious arguments are more based in fear than in the actual teachings, that they’re based upon stray texts that actually don’t mean what you think they mean. Jesus himself only said one thing about marriage, which is that you can’t divorce. We live in a country were countless people are divorced and that doesn’t seem to threaten the religious liberty of Catholics. It’s as fundamental an issue.”

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Just. Wow.
1 posted on 06/30/2013 3:01:57 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Jesus never mentioned incest so its ok too/ sarc


2 posted on 06/30/2013 3:04:18 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: markomalley

Jesus never said you shouldn’t go into schools and shoot classrooms full of little kids, either.


3 posted on 06/30/2013 3:05:34 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: markomalley
Andrew Sullivan eh?

New Rule, anytime he has an article about him we post a Pic of Sarah to get his Menopausal PDS up.


4 posted on 06/30/2013 3:05:49 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

Andrew who?


5 posted on 06/30/2013 3:06:20 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: markomalley

Jesus never mentioned injecting poison into a baby’s heart


6 posted on 06/30/2013 3:07:26 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: markomalley

I don’t think I have ever seen a church sued because it refused to marry divorced couples. But then again, most accept divorce is not accepted so they go elsewhere. Can’t say the same for they homosexual crowd.


7 posted on 06/30/2013 3:07:35 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: markomalley

Isn’t this the writer that was busted placing ads in homosexual magazine looking for....pardon the words but... hairy male anal orgies?

Why does any normal human being care what this sick freak thinks?


8 posted on 06/30/2013 3:07:58 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: markomalley

Catholics are not OK with divorce. One wife. One husband.


9 posted on 06/30/2013 3:08:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

Well obviously he’s someone we should be looking too for spiritual guidance.


10 posted on 06/30/2013 3:08:51 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: markomalley

Also, I as a Christian do frown upon divorce. Its prevalence in our society today indicates we are choosing life partners on whims, and not seeing marriage as a pact before God.


11 posted on 06/30/2013 3:10:01 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: icwhatudo

I don’t think any normal human being does care. It’s only his fellow media journalists who do.


12 posted on 06/30/2013 3:10:31 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: markomalley; KC_Lion

Mr. Alinsky, please pick up the white courtesy phone.


13 posted on 06/30/2013 3:11:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: markomalley

Actually, Andrew, Christianity isn’t “OK” with divorce.


14 posted on 06/30/2013 3:13:33 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: ReformationFan; icwhatudo

You do know he’s considered a “conservative” on the blogosphere, right?


15 posted on 06/30/2013 3:13:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As conservative as McCain and Graham, sure :)


16 posted on 06/30/2013 3:15:48 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Salvation
Catholics are not OK with divorce. One wife. One husband.

One at a time. Just ask the Kennedys.

17 posted on 06/30/2013 3:17:03 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: markomalley

Is Sullivan REALLY expecting Jesus to have added an anatomy, biology, AND plumbing lesson to his Sermon on the Mount?


18 posted on 06/30/2013 3:17:23 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: markomalley

Andrew Sullivan,just another homo who brings a weak and uninformed opinion to the table.He should have asked his Muslim host about Islam’s view of buggery.


19 posted on 06/30/2013 3:17:28 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: markomalley
In the OT it says God hates divorce. Remarrying is worse than divorce because that is adultery. Yet it is so common in our society, hardly anyone even thinks about it and what Jesus meant.

I was ruminating over this gay business and knew that Jesus never spoke about homosexuals. But wait, this morning I remember he said something about eunuchs. Matthew. Some are born that way. Some are made so by men. And think some are for the kingdom of heaven. So maybe he did have something to say about it or confirmed that the prophecy he was reading had been confirmed in Jesus.

We don't know which kind of eunuch was in the carriage that was going along reading a scripture from the OT. I believe it was the apostle Phillip who stopped him and told him the good news about the kingdom.

20 posted on 06/30/2013 3:18:09 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Farmer Dean

I garbled my #20; I think readers can figure out which words should have gone in the last paragraph.


21 posted on 06/30/2013 3:21:09 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: markomalley

IN one sense he is right — we have become much to accepting of divorce.


22 posted on 06/30/2013 3:21:44 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A “conservative” who voted for Obama?


23 posted on 06/30/2013 3:22:25 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: markomalley
"I would say the religious arguments are more based in fear than in the actual teachings, that they’re based upon stray texts that actually don’t mean what you think they mean. Jesus himself only said one thing about marriage, which is that you can’t divorce."

Sullivan got it all wrong, even what Jesus said on divorce.

[Matthew 19:8-9] He (Jesus) said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

Jesus said divorce is permitted in limited circumstances, but only for the specific sin that Sullivan is advocating: sexual immorality. I don't know what he was thinking, but this "stray text" clearly does not mean what Sullivan thinks it means. It's also not fear that leads to a strong emotional reaction against perversion (except in a prison). It's revulsion at an unnatural act, one that is naturally efficient at spreading disease.

24 posted on 06/30/2013 3:22:53 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: KC_Lion

I think we should have a new rule: a Palin pic on most every thread.:)


25 posted on 06/30/2013 3:32:00 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper
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To: markomalley

Rom 1:20-32
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
(25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
(27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
(29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
(30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
(31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
(32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


26 posted on 06/30/2013 3:37:59 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: markomalley
Matthew 19:4

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’

27 posted on 06/30/2013 3:42:37 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some days...it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps....)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
IN one sense he is right — we have become much to accepting of divorce.

We are much too accepting of divorce, but you won't see many churches in the US willing to kick out divorced members.
28 posted on 06/30/2013 4:01:29 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: KC_Lion

I like it!


29 posted on 06/30/2013 4:14:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I want shrimp tacos.)
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To: markomalley

I hope Christians sit up and take notice that this is where acceptance of divorce, contraception, and masturbation ultimately lead a society....


30 posted on 06/30/2013 4:20:27 PM PDT by Eepsy
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To: Salvation

You are correct! But why would Sullivan know anything about Catholic doctrine and practice?


31 posted on 06/30/2013 4:31:37 PM PDT by karnage
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To: markomalley

Queer Andy and his queer logic.


32 posted on 06/30/2013 4:49:07 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Cvengr

So what is happening today has been foretold. It is occurring because God is allowing it to occur. Human’s bent nature is becoming less constrained. I believe we are on a path akin to ‘the days of Noah’ with the results being a wee bit more permanent.


33 posted on 06/30/2013 4:53:41 PM PDT by yadent
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To: markomalley

What a fool. If you read Matthew 19,the first 12 verses you find that Jesus said a lot more about marriage than that no divorce should be allowed. His positive teaching roots the union of a man and woman in creation. Nothing of what Our Lord Said is compatible with Sullivan’s assertion.


34 posted on 06/30/2013 4:56:43 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: CharlesWayneCT

The Catholic Church does not accept civil divorce. It is why there must be a Church annulment that proves that the marriage was never valid in the first place.

Having said that, I do believe that the acceptance of divorce (generally speaking) was one of the precursors to the legalization of gay marriage. One part of the slippery slope that is the ruin of traditional families.


35 posted on 06/30/2013 5:38:24 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Alex Murphy

I guess you missed that whole Henry VIII thing in history? Many pseudo religions have their roots in the rantings of a tyrant king who wanted a divorce.


36 posted on 06/30/2013 6:09:59 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: markomalley

I just did some reading in the book of Mathew on what Jesus said about marriage. The Book says Jesus was explicit as to ‘marriage’ between a man and a woman. Sullivan apparently tries to say Jesus was aware of same sex marriage. This is in no way what Jesus spoke about and is another showing how homos will lie and obfuscate to make their point.


37 posted on 06/30/2013 6:11:23 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: piusv

I would agree. IMHO the 50 shades of gray moral relative nuance evidenced in many institutions that at one time taught clearly in black and white is a result of incremental compromise of truth in pursuit of false peace,


38 posted on 06/30/2013 6:13:03 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Pollster1

Thank you. Sullivan is a filthy liar.


39 posted on 06/30/2013 6:30:18 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: markomalley

Divorce was decided before I could vote Andy. I did not get a choice on that either.


40 posted on 06/30/2013 6:34:42 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: yadent

There is an important distinction between some sins. Technically, anything we do which misses the mark in His Plan is qualified as sin. There are some sinful lifestyles, though, which occur as a consequence of further degeneration in our thinking, if we continually deny what He provides.

Romans 1 documents a situation where people not only rejected God, but He then allowed them to further degenerate in their thinking, from their own volition, into reprobate minds. They aren’t merely a comparative thinking process or alternate lifestyle. They simply defile themselves wallowing in an absence of integrity and turning themselves over to vile affections and have pleasure in those who share their corruption.


41 posted on 06/30/2013 7:56:38 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: icwhatudo

I like your tag line, I guess I’ll go back to the one that I was using a while back.


42 posted on 06/30/2013 8:03:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: DBeers
A whole lot of folks very deliberately ignore large parts of history they can't rewrite to suit their agenda.

In that regard such folks are identical to the Communists and Fascists they claim to disagree with and are, in fact, perfect little clones of the Co Moomity Organizer in Chief when it comes to honesty and logic.

43 posted on 06/30/2013 8:09:37 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: markomalley

In the OT, divorce was grudgingly tolerated. Homosexuality was a capital crime.

In the NT, divorce was returned to status of unacceptable. Homosexuality was moved to one step from “the unpardonable sin”.

Nowhere in Scripture is homosexuality tolerated. Divorce was at least legally formalized.


44 posted on 06/30/2013 8:11:56 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: markomalley

Idiot. We believe in the God as the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Spirit. ALL Scripture is God-breathed, therefore Jesus had plenty to say about marriage and homosexuality.

Unless you want to deny that Jesus is God (which would destroy his shallow argument anyway), or that somehow one part of the Holy Trinity can disagree or nullify, or be ignorant of what God decreed as the moral law (reinforced and confirmed by Jesus in the NT), which is so illogical it is simply laughable. But this is what happens when liberal journalists try their hand at theology.


45 posted on 06/30/2013 8:18:59 PM PDT by Ironfocus
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To: af_vet_rr

I’m not sure we should kick out divorced members. You can’t “undo” most divorces. You’d like a repentant spirit. And maybe we shouldn’t put divorced people in leadership, if the divorce was under their control.

I wouldn’t kick out homosexual members either, so long as they were not practicing homosexuality. You can’t help being a sinner, you can only repent and seek strength to overcome.


46 posted on 06/30/2013 9:03:23 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: markomalley

Seems to me that religion is one of the “created things” that become an object of worship.

“and because of this, God gave them over...”
—Romans 1:25++

The proliferation of homosexuality along the corruption of marriage are symptoms of a deeper social cancer.


47 posted on 06/30/2013 10:43:59 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: markomalley

Their argument is that because they’ve managed to corrupt marriage via the popularization of divorce, further corruption of marriage ala the abomination of Nature is acceptable.

Having one disease does not increase the healthiness of acquiring yet another disease.


48 posted on 06/30/2013 10:56:35 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Aliska

Where in the OT please post verse. Thank-you.


49 posted on 07/01/2013 2:37:40 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: yadent

This time not of flood water, but of fire.


50 posted on 07/01/2013 2:40:54 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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