Skip to comments.Andrew Sullivan: Religion OK with divorce, why not same-sex marriage?
Posted on 06/30/2013 3:01:57 PM PDT by markomalley
Gay commentator Andrew Sullivan on Sunday CNNs Fareed Zakaria: I would say the religious arguments are more based in fear than in the actual teachings, that theyre based upon stray texts that actually dont mean what you think they mean. Jesus himself only said one thing about marriage, which is that you cant divorce. We live in a country were countless people are divorced and that doesnt seem to threaten the religious liberty of Catholics. Its as fundamental an issue.
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Jesus never mentioned incest so its ok too/ sarc
Jesus never said you shouldn’t go into schools and shoot classrooms full of little kids, either.
New Rule, anytime he has an article about him we post a Pic of Sarah to get his Menopausal PDS up.
Jesus never mentioned injecting poison into a baby’s heart
I don’t think I have ever seen a church sued because it refused to marry divorced couples. But then again, most accept divorce is not accepted so they go elsewhere. Can’t say the same for they homosexual crowd.
Isn’t this the writer that was busted placing ads in homosexual magazine looking for....pardon the words but... hairy male anal orgies?
Why does any normal human being care what this sick freak thinks?
Catholics are not OK with divorce. One wife. One husband.
Well obviously he’s someone we should be looking too for spiritual guidance.
Also, I as a Christian do frown upon divorce. Its prevalence in our society today indicates we are choosing life partners on whims, and not seeing marriage as a pact before God.
I don’t think any normal human being does care. It’s only his fellow media journalists who do.
Mr. Alinsky, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
Actually, Andrew, Christianity isn’t “OK” with divorce.
You do know he’s considered a “conservative” on the blogosphere, right?
As conservative as McCain and Graham, sure :)
One at a time. Just ask the Kennedys.
Is Sullivan REALLY expecting Jesus to have added an anatomy, biology, AND plumbing lesson to his Sermon on the Mount?
Andrew Sullivan,just another homo who brings a weak and uninformed opinion to the table.He should have asked his Muslim host about Islam’s view of buggery.
I was ruminating over this gay business and knew that Jesus never spoke about homosexuals. But wait, this morning I remember he said something about eunuchs. Matthew. Some are born that way. Some are made so by men. And think some are for the kingdom of heaven. So maybe he did have something to say about it or confirmed that the prophecy he was reading had been confirmed in Jesus.
We don't know which kind of eunuch was in the carriage that was going along reading a scripture from the OT. I believe it was the apostle Phillip who stopped him and told him the good news about the kingdom.
I garbled my #20; I think readers can figure out which words should have gone in the last paragraph.
IN one sense he is right — we have become much to accepting of divorce.
A “conservative” who voted for Obama?
Sullivan got it all wrong, even what Jesus said on divorce.
[Matthew 19:8-9] He (Jesus) said to them, Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.
Jesus said divorce is permitted in limited circumstances, but only for the specific sin that Sullivan is advocating: sexual immorality. I don't know what he was thinking, but this "stray text" clearly does not mean what Sullivan thinks it means. It's also not fear that leads to a strong emotional reaction against perversion (except in a prison). It's revulsion at an unnatural act, one that is naturally efficient at spreading disease.
I think we should have a new rule: a Palin pic on most every thread.:)
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
(25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
(27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
(29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
(30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
(31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
(32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
4 Havent you read, he replied, that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female,
I like it!
I hope Christians sit up and take notice that this is where acceptance of divorce, contraception, and masturbation ultimately lead a society....
You are correct! But why would Sullivan know anything about Catholic doctrine and practice?
Queer Andy and his queer logic.
So what is happening today has been foretold. It is occurring because God is allowing it to occur. Human’s bent nature is becoming less constrained. I believe we are on a path akin to ‘the days of Noah’ with the results being a wee bit more permanent.
What a fool. If you read Matthew 19,the first 12 verses you find that Jesus said a lot more about marriage than that no divorce should be allowed. His positive teaching roots the union of a man and woman in creation. Nothing of what Our Lord Said is compatible with Sullivans assertion.
The Catholic Church does not accept civil divorce. It is why there must be a Church annulment that proves that the marriage was never valid in the first place.
Having said that, I do believe that the acceptance of divorce (generally speaking) was one of the precursors to the legalization of gay marriage. One part of the slippery slope that is the ruin of traditional families.
I guess you missed that whole Henry VIII thing in history? Many pseudo religions have their roots in the rantings of a tyrant king who wanted a divorce.
I just did some reading in the book of Mathew on what Jesus said about marriage. The Book says Jesus was explicit as to ‘marriage’ between a man and a woman. Sullivan apparently tries to say Jesus was aware of same sex marriage. This is in no way what Jesus spoke about and is another showing how homos will lie and obfuscate to make their point.
I would agree. IMHO the 50 shades of gray moral relative nuance evidenced in many institutions that at one time taught clearly in black and white is a result of incremental compromise of truth in pursuit of false peace,
Thank you. Sullivan is a filthy liar.
Divorce was decided before I could vote Andy. I did not get a choice on that either.
There is an important distinction between some sins. Technically, anything we do which misses the mark in His Plan is qualified as sin. There are some sinful lifestyles, though, which occur as a consequence of further degeneration in our thinking, if we continually deny what He provides.
Romans 1 documents a situation where people not only rejected God, but He then allowed them to further degenerate in their thinking, from their own volition, into reprobate minds. They aren’t merely a comparative thinking process or alternate lifestyle. They simply defile themselves wallowing in an absence of integrity and turning themselves over to vile affections and have pleasure in those who share their corruption.
I like your tag line, I guess I’ll go back to the one that I was using a while back.
A whole lot of folks very deliberately ignore large parts of history they can't rewrite to suit their agenda.
In that regard such folks are identical to the Communists and Fascists they claim to disagree with and are, in fact, perfect little clones of the Co Moomity Organizer in Chief when it comes to honesty and logic.
In the OT, divorce was grudgingly tolerated. Homosexuality was a capital crime.
In the NT, divorce was returned to status of unacceptable. Homosexuality was moved to one step from “the unpardonable sin”.
Nowhere in Scripture is homosexuality tolerated. Divorce was at least legally formalized.
Idiot. We believe in the God as the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Spirit. ALL Scripture is God-breathed, therefore Jesus had plenty to say about marriage and homosexuality.
Unless you want to deny that Jesus is God (which would destroy his shallow argument anyway), or that somehow one part of the Holy Trinity can disagree or nullify, or be ignorant of what God decreed as the moral law (reinforced and confirmed by Jesus in the NT), which is so illogical it is simply laughable. But this is what happens when liberal journalists try their hand at theology.
I’m not sure we should kick out divorced members. You can’t “undo” most divorces. You’d like a repentant spirit. And maybe we shouldn’t put divorced people in leadership, if the divorce was under their control.
I wouldn’t kick out homosexual members either, so long as they were not practicing homosexuality. You can’t help being a sinner, you can only repent and seek strength to overcome.
Seems to me that religion is one of the “created things” that become an object of worship.
“and because of this, God gave them over...”
The proliferation of homosexuality along the corruption of marriage are symptoms of a deeper social cancer.
Their argument is that because they’ve managed to corrupt marriage via the popularization of divorce, further corruption of marriage ala the abomination of Nature is acceptable.
Having one disease does not increase the healthiness of acquiring yet another disease.
Where in the OT please post verse. Thank-you.
This time not of flood water, but of fire.