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Papal theologian: Treating homosexuals with dignity means telling them the truth
Life Site News ^ | July 3, 2013 | JOHN-HENRY WESTEN

Posted on 07/04/2013 2:16:34 PM PDT by NYer


Rev. Wojciech Giertych

VATICAN CITY, July 2, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In an interview with LifeSiteNews.com, Papal Theologian Rev. Wojciech Giertych, spoke of the need to treat persons with homosexual inclination with dignity, adding that dignity means telling them the truth.  What truth? “Homosexuality is against human nature.”  And what is needed is to “pastorally help such people to return to an emotional and moral integrity.” (see video of the interview)

Appointed in 2005 by Pope Benedict XVI, it is Fr. Giertych’s job - Theologian of the Papal Household - to review the texts given to the Pope for his speeches for theological accuracy.  LifeSiteNews was granted access into the papal palace wherein Fr. Giertych has his apartment for the interview.

Asked about the problem of homosexuality, gay ‘marriage’ and their incursion on relgious freedom, Fr. Giertych noted “this is not an issue which is reacting against the Church’s teaching – this is a fundamental anthropological change.” It is, he said, “a distortion of humanity which is being proposed as an ideology, which is being supported, financed, promoted by those who are powerful in the world in many, many, countries simultaneously.”

“The Church,” he added, “is the only institution in the world which has the courage to stand up to this ideology.”

He continued, noting that the increasing role of the state in society has resulted in a substantial lowering of ethical standards:

“Now, what we are observing in many countries world-wide, certainly in the 20th and the 21st century, there is an enormous extension of the responsibility of States. Now, the more the State is encroaching on the economy, on family life, on education – the State is saying that only the State has the monopoly to decide about these things. The more the State is omnipotent, the more the ethical standards are lowered, because it’s impossible to promote high ethical standards by the State."

The 61-year-old of Polish background said, “I’ve seen the Communist ideology, which seemed to be so powerful, and it’s gone! Ideologies come and go, and they have the idea of changing humanity, of changing human nature. Human nature cannot be changed; it can be distorted. But the elevation of perversion to the level of a fundamental value that has to be nurtured and nourished and promoted – this is absolutely sick.”

“The Church, standing up to this ideology which we are seeing now in the Western world, the Church is saying something very normal and humane, which corresponds to the understanding of humanity, which humanity has had for millennia, long before Christ, long before the appearance of Christianity,” he said. “So it’s not a question of the Church fighting the ideology, it’s a question of the distortion of humanity, and the Church standing up in defence of human dignity.”

Speaking of practicing homosexuals Fr. Giertych said, “of course they have to be treated with dignity, everybody has to be treated with dignity, even sinners have to be treated with dignity, but the best way of treating people with dignity is to tell them the truth.”

“And if we escape from the truth we’re not treating them with dignity,” he added.

The papal theologian drew an analogy to smoking saying that helping people stop smoking is not denying their dignity.

 He said:

"Homosexuality is against human nature. Now, there are many things that people do that are unnatural – smoking cigarettes is also unnatural. You can live with the addiction to tobacco, you can die of it, but there are people who are addicted to tobacco, yet they live and we meet with them and we deal with them and we don’t deny their dignity. So certainly people with the homosexual difficulty have to be respected … And so the important thing is how to pastorally help such people to return to an emotional and moral integrity."

Fr. Geirtych noted that for many there is a lessened culpability for falling into a homosexual lifestyle due to hardships endured. 

Homosexual activity is also tied to the contraceptive culture, Geirtych explained:

"...we began talking about contraception, and homosexuality is tied with it because since contraception destroys the quality of relationships amongst the spouses, and it generates sexual license outside marriage, and it reduces sexuality to an easy source of pleasure with no responsibility, that pleasure without responsibility is never satisfying, and it generates like a drug. It generates a hunger for even more pleasure, which is even more not truly satisfying, not giving ultimate happiness, and so there is a search for more perverted types of sexual pleasure, which can never fulfill the human person."

The Pope’s theologian also explained the distinction between the words “homosexual” and “gay” and the danger to someone who identifies themselves as being “gay”.

 "…in the American language you have a distinction between the word ‘homosexual’ and ‘gay’. A homosexual is a person who has, to some extent, this homosexual condition. Somebody may have this difficulty, and his friends, his neighbors will not know about this. He’s dealing with this in cooperation with the grace of God and may come out of this difficulty and come back to normal human relationships. Sometimes adolescents, at the moment when their sexual sensibility is appearing, if they have been distorted by others they go through a phase of difficulty in this field. But as they mature they will grow out of it. Whereas a ‘gay’ is somebody who says, ‘I am like this, I will be like this, I want to be treated like this, and I want special privileges because I am like this.’ Now if somebody is not only homosexual, but a gay, declaring, ‘This is how I am, and I want this to be respected legally, socially and so on’ – such a person will never come out of the difficulty."

He also spoke of the danger of identifying with the homosexual condition as if it was the “supreme expression of the identity of the individual” which would deprive the individual of healing and happiness.

The papal theologian concluded noting the Christ is both the model for a healthy humanity and the source of healing for distortions of humanity. “Christ shows us a humanity which is supremely transformed from within by the divinity, “ he said. “Now, we have access to the grace of God through our faith, through the sacraments, and, by living out the grace of God, that grace of God heals whatever distortions we may have, whatever difficulties we may have, on the condition that we initiate, we commence the pilgrimage, we start the journey of living out our lives with the grace of God.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: communism; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; nambla; poland; romancatholicism

1 posted on 07/04/2013 2:16:35 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
But the elevation of perversion to the level of a fundamental value that has to be nurtured and nourished and promoted – this is absolutely sick.”

Catholic ping!

2 posted on 07/04/2013 2:17:12 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Isn’t it a disgrace that all religious organizations don’t stand on that ground? He pretty much nailed it.


3 posted on 07/04/2013 2:33:19 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: NYer

Thank you for telling the truth Mr.Francis,I hope you bring much needed change to the Vatican.


4 posted on 07/04/2013 2:38:34 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: Del Rapier

Actually it is his theologian,I reread the article....but still I would like religious institutions to stand up against this idea that individuals have to essentially condemn themselves to homosexuality.

Likewise I didn’t mean to imply that the Vatican was full of homosexuals,just that it hadn’t dealt or spoken with the secular world in terms that lay could both understand and benefit from.


5 posted on 07/04/2013 2:41:11 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: NYer

I see no valid reason for treating a group that is positively harmful with any species of “dignity” with no affront meant to the prelate.


6 posted on 07/04/2013 3:01:03 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: NYer

I see no valid reason for treating a group that is positively harmful with any species of “dignity” with no affront meant to the prelate.


7 posted on 07/04/2013 3:01:17 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
As he said, to treat homosexual people with dignity means to tell them the truth.

You don't oppose that, do you?

8 posted on 07/04/2013 4:04:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS; MinuteGal

“I see no valid reason for treating a group that is positively harmful with any species of “dignity” with no affront meant to the prelate.”

Because not all homosexuals are activists and in your face with their gayness. There are many who just live their lives, being low key about being gay, and not bothering anyone. I believe one can’t paint with a broad brush. I think this is what the papal theologian was saying about treating them with dignity. They are still part of humanity, and have been throughout history.

The Roman historians referred to homosexuals hanging out around the bathhouses. There are ancient Roman vases with paintings of homosexuals doing sexual acts, so homosexuality has been around for a long, long time. I’m a live and let live type of person as long as you don’t get up front and personal, or in my face. Then I get hostile. No gay activists for me, thank you.


9 posted on 07/04/2013 4:47:03 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: NYer

Great Article and We Need the Church to Stand UP! and Speak Out! Who will if the Church and Leaders will not? Oh yea Prophets of the past did, Because the Leaders of their times did not listen to God and his Words...


10 posted on 07/04/2013 5:11:21 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: flaglady47; AEMILIUS PAULUS
laglady, you are defending a "Live and Let Live," you-do-our-thing,-I'll-do-mine kind of approach, and there's a certain worldly sense in that. As Lady Campbell said, "Does it really matter what these affectionate people do, so long as they don't do it on the street and frighten the horses?"

This, however, is not what the papal theologian was talking about. He was talking about respect for the dignity of homosexual persons --- not tolerance, not niceness, not a laissez-faire indifference, but respect --- which entails the sometimes not-tolerant, not-nice obligation to tell them the truth.

The "respect" of which I speak is not respect for their sexual appetites, nor their indulgence of the same, but respect for their persons. This is rooted in respect for God who made them. Not that He made them gay (He did no such thing) but that He made them human.

Tolerance is not a Christian virtue.

11 posted on 07/04/2013 5:13:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Tolerance is not a Christian virtue.

BRAVO! Exactly. But I’m beginning to doubt that any so-called Christian (especially in the media, if there ARE any) realizes it. They confuse charity with tolerance—deadly.


12 posted on 07/04/2013 6:32:51 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: NYer

The 61-year-old of Polish background said, “I’ve seen the Communist ideology, which seemed to be so powerful, and it’s gone! Ideologies come and go, and they have the idea of changing humanity, of changing human nature. Human nature cannot be changed; it can be distorted. But the elevation of perversion to the level of a fundamental value that has to be nurtured and nourished and promoted – this is absolutely sick.”

Bravo. Makes me want to convert.


13 posted on 07/04/2013 6:55:25 PM PDT by garjog (This message monitored by the IRS and the NSA to improve customer service. Thank you.)
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To: NYer

Oh nose, that can’t be true! Just a while ago a long time member posted the following on another thread: “Your pope is a charlatan!”

Deal with this, because local Religious Modernators won’t!


14 posted on 07/04/2013 7:10:35 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: NYer
“Now, what we are observing in many countries world-wide, certainly in the 20th and the 21st century, there is an enormous extension of the responsibility of States. Now, the more the State is encroaching on the economy, on family life, on education – the State is saying that only the State has the monopoly to decide about these things. The more the State is omnipotent, the more the ethical standards are lowered, because it’s impossible to promote high ethical standards by the State."

Every big government liberal, democrat, and Barack Obama all need to hear this and understand it.

This is Truth to Power.

15 posted on 07/04/2013 7:19:22 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: flaglady47
I’m a live and let live type of person as long as you don’t get up front and personal, or in my face. Then I get hostile.

All of Creation is witnessing this foolish argument. He has already revealed to all Creation the consequences of this perspective, and to instead rely upon His righteous Judgment and his just Righteousness.

Getting hostile in this situation simply is a reaction to arrogance, instead of a response to His Plan.

16 posted on 07/04/2013 7:38:09 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: NYer
In an interview with LifeSiteNews.com, Papal Theologian Rev. Wojciech Giertych, spoke of the need to treat persons with homosexual inclination with dignity, adding that dignity means telling them the truth. What truth? “Homosexuality is against human nature.”

Riiiight...And then the homo will show you examples of homosexuality 'within nature'...This guy doesn't get out much???

Why does he fail to mention that queerdom is an abomination to God??? Maybe he's never read the scriptures...

"...we began talking about contraception, and homosexuality is tied with it because since contraception destroys the quality of relationships amongst the spouses, and it generates sexual license outside marriage, and it reduces sexuality to an easy source of pleasure with no responsibility, that pleasure without responsibility is never satisfying, and it generates like a drug. It generates a hunger for even more pleasure, which is even more not truly satisfying, not giving ultimate happiness, and so there is a search for more perverted types of sexual pleasure, which can never fulfill the human person."

Now that's a good one...Contraception leads to homosexuality...Idiot!!!

17 posted on 07/04/2013 8:29:43 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

I kinda question that conclusion as well.


18 posted on 07/04/2013 10:42:59 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Del Rapier

He was appointed by Benedict XVI. We’ll have to see if he remains in his position...I’m not sure how that works with popes.

I know that Benedict XVI spoke out about gay marriage/homosexuals, but I have yet to see Pope Francis do this (unless I missed it).


19 posted on 07/05/2013 5:09:54 AM PDT by piusv
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To: boatbums

He said it was tied to it, not that it led to it. Two different things.


20 posted on 07/05/2013 5:10:39 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv; boatbums
He said it was tied to it, not that it led to it. Two different things.

After contraception leads the heterosexual to homosexuality, then he/she is tied to homosexuality...

Like I said, an idiot...

It's bad enough someone could make such an idiotic statement, how could someone defend it???

Like the apparently few good Catholics who try to use the 'natural' contraception method...You know, those who try to work it out so they can have pleasurable sexual relations with a minimal risk of getting pregnant...

Guess those Catholics are going to turn into queers as well, according to this 'idiot'...

21 posted on 07/05/2013 10:03:08 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
After contraception leads the heterosexual to homosexuality, then he/she is tied to homosexuality... Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see this quote in the article. So, no, I didn't defend that statement. Could you share the entire portion of the article where you found this quote?
22 posted on 07/05/2013 11:15:30 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
This is the only quote I see that mentions contraception at all:

we began talking about contraception, and homosexuality is tied with it because since contraception destroys the quality of relationships amongst the spouses, and it generates sexual license outside marriage, and it reduces sexuality to an easy source of pleasure with no responsibility, that pleasure without responsibility is never satisfying, and it generates like a drug. It generates a hunger for even more pleasure, which is even more not truly satisfying, not giving ultimate happiness, and so there is a search for more perverted types of sexual pleasure, which can never fulfill the human person.

Where is your quote in that Iscool?

23 posted on 07/05/2013 11:18:36 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Iscool; piusv
Like the apparently few good Catholics who try to use the 'natural' contraception method...You know, those who try to work it out so they can have pleasurable sexual relations with a minimal risk of getting pregnant...

That certainly seems like a contradiction to me. Did you know there are tests you can buy over the counter that predict pretty accurately when a woman is ovulating and when sex is "safe" or not? Wonder what the Catholic market is for them?

24 posted on 07/05/2013 2:37:42 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
That certainly seems like a contradiction to me. Did you know there are tests you can buy over the counter that predict pretty accurately when a woman is ovulating and when sex is "safe" or not? Wonder what the Catholic market is for them?

Didn't know that...Technology has gone crazy...

25 posted on 07/05/2013 3:26:07 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: piusv
Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see this quote in the article

Can't help that...It's there...

26 posted on 07/05/2013 3:29:15 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: NYer
The 61-year-old of Polish background said, “I’ve seen the Communist ideology, which seemed to be so powerful, and it’s gone! Ideologies come and go, and they have the idea of changing humanity, of changing human nature. Human nature cannot be changed; it can be distorted. But the elevation of perversion to the level of a fundamental value that has to be nurtured and nourished and promoted – this is absolutely sick.”

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God bless him, he's right. As someone who has a sister who has chosen this way of life, I know firsthand how difficult this can be.

27 posted on 07/05/2013 3:34:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Iscool

No, it’s not. And that’s why it’s an idiotic statement...because he never said it.


28 posted on 07/05/2013 3:50:55 PM PDT by piusv
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To: boatbums

Well, you know, I wouldn’t know being that I can’t have children.


29 posted on 07/05/2013 3:54:10 PM PDT by piusv
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To: trisham
God bless him, he's right. As someone who has a sister who has chosen this way of life, I know firsthand how difficult this can be.

Did your sister start out as hetero and because of contraception switched over as this papal expert says will happen???

30 posted on 07/05/2013 5:53:21 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: piusv
Well, you know, I wouldn’t know being that I can’t have children.

Can't use that excuse again because now you know it...

31 posted on 07/05/2013 5:54:58 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: piusv
Well, you know, I wouldn’t know being that I can’t have children.

Well, no, I didn't know that. I can't have children either. Do the Catholic rules say we should never have intercourse with our spouses because we are unable to get pregnant? Do you see where having such an absolute dogma might take us?

32 posted on 07/05/2013 10:33:54 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

No, Church doctrine does not say that. Despite what many think the Church teaches, it does not teach that sex is only for procreation.


33 posted on 07/06/2013 5:49:56 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Iscool
Now that's a good one...Contraception leads to homosexuality...Idiot!!!

Did you read the FULL statement? He didn't say that using contraception makes people homosexual. He's remarking that the widespread use of contraception has completely removed the notion that sex has anything to do with procreation, and only exists to fulfill peoples' desires. With some, those desires lead to more and different 'uses' of sex, thus homosexuality.

34 posted on 07/06/2013 3:08:57 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Oh, he knows that what he said is not what was said at all.


35 posted on 07/07/2013 5:29:35 AM PDT by piusv
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