Skip to comments.A new type of Judaism: Postethnic
Posted on 07/07/2013 1:43:42 PM PDT by sf4dubya
Magid identifies the creation of postethnic Judaism a type of Judaism that does not take its identity from a tribal dynasty or a shared history, but from cultural values: things that are universal and suitable for everyone. Magid does not see this trend as the end of Judaism as a religion (in contrast to the Orthodox school of thought on the subject), or the end of Judaism as a culture.
Not only is postethnic Judaism not rooted in tradition it also removes itself from identifying with the historical Jewish nation. This is one step further than multiculturalism which celebrated the different and the unique. Now, Megid says, young American Jews have no desire to proclaim how unique they are, and avoid discussing uniqueness or superiority like the plague. Hybridity has become a value, and the blurring of ethnic, gender and religious boundaries is a regular aspiration.
These Jews adopt traditional elements such as Torah study and observance of the Sabbath (not necessarily according to Orthodox halakha) and set out to perform social acts of tikkun olam (repairing the world). They are proud of their religion and disseminate it as an idea, instead of something that is passed down the bloodline.
Another characteristic of this Judaism is its post-monotheism. According to Magid, postethnic Judaism has departed from monotheism in several areas. It does not believe in religion being exclusive; it does not believe in the agreement between one God and his chosen people; it does not see divinity as transcendental, but as immanent; and it does not feel obliged to carry out the laws of a monotheistic God out of fear of divine judgment. The theosophy of this Judaism is not monotheistic, but it is also not atheistic or humanistic. It is pantheistic.
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American Post-Judaism: Identity and Renewal in a Postethnic Society, by Shaul Magid. Indiana University Press, 2013, 408 pp.
Jews not monotheistic? What hooey. We could call this new trend
Art Bell used to have people on that would reference about 3 places in the Old Testament (Torah) that appear to imply that God has an equal or two.
Daniel is the only Book that I can remember as having one of the references.
I would occasionally listen to a retired rabbi on shortwave that had a talk show. One caller must have been listening to Art Bell, because he brought it up, and the rabbi came decidedly, but politely, down on the monotheistic side. Probably itching to ask the caller if he was smoking crack...
‘Sounds just as heretical as our own ‘modern Christianity’. I simply cannot believe these people genuinely subscribe to their faith. I mean, to take the core of a religion, and then just add in a load of crap you made up yourself to make it ‘feel nice’ is self-serving and puerile.
These people are not Jews, and actual rabbis who study the word of God would be disgusted by it, just as I am disgusted by Universalism and all the other modernist garbage in Christianity today.
What right have these Jews to declare Judaism ‘pantheistic’ and ‘separate from the Hebrew nation’??? Did they receive some revelation in a dream? No, they’re making it up to forward a leftist agenda. Sickening, and damning by their own religion no less!
Good one! Although my keyboard is still shaking from the close call - use Key Board Alert for something that funny - please!
Rabbi Asher Meza is an Orthodox rabbi who, contrary to the mainstream Halakhah, rejects the Noachide movement altogether and wants to convert all non-Jews to Judaism itself, making the entire human race Benei Yisra'el and the entire earth 'Eretz Yisra'el. He claims this is the historic Jewish position which gradually disappeared as it became dangerous to try to convert non-Jews.
As I say, this is way off the tracks but otherwise he is Orthodox, and his web site does have some excellent counter-chrstian apologetics.
Otherwise known as “ Orange Juice”.
He didn’t deny monotheism, or God’s unique covenant. The whole point of His being the messiah was that he was of the House of David.
In other words, they don’t have to worry about being a ‘Chosen People’, since they don’t believe in whoever is supposed to have chosen them.
I glanced at the title and my tired eyes saw “Prosthetic” and wondered.
And you’re still giving his Judaizing more applause than it deserves.
They subscribe to the tenets of Bill and Ted, "Be excellent to one another".
What is it represented by? A golden calf?
The only Judaism Ha’aretz wants is “post-Jewish”.
Meza does indeed make some excellent apologetics.
Does Meza believe Adam and Eve were Jews? How about the sons of Jacob? Were they all Jews? Solomon had it wrong when he allowed non-Jews an important role in building the Temple?
Traditional Judaism is sometimes called “Orthopraxy”, as there is a freedom of thought foreign to a religion like Christianity, as long as behavior conforms to accepted norms.
I laughed so hard that I cried. He can’t be serious.
How about he focus on... Oh I don’t know... Actual Jews?
I thought the whole Jewish Renewal movement died when the last of the hippies swore off LSD?
Pantheism isn’t Jdaism. I have no idea what these crazy people are practicing, but I know it isn’t Judaism.
This is too far out even for the Reformniks.
You can’t be of the House of David through Joseph and have a virgin birth.
This proposal is not happening in a vacuum. It’s just one more plot trying to undermine the Judaeo-Christian faith in God and biblical canons of civilized behavior. Reform and Conservative Judaism were already way on their way to political correct nonsense. The homosexual agenda is part and parcel of this, as is the campaign to pretend that Palestine was and always will the land God gave to the Jewish people and only the Jewish people as their eternal homeland.
The homosexual agenda is part and parcel of a reinvention without God, as is the campaign to pretend that Palestine wasn’t the land God gave to the Jewish people and only the Jewish people as their eternal homeland.
That is a complex issue, but remember that Joseph was Mary’s kinsman; he was descended from David via his mother.
Judaism always welcomed “the stranger” from its beginnings, so far as that person respected The Law.
Understanding HaShem does not divide into multiple parts is not complex. It passes patrilineal from father to son just like any Kohanim. Learn Hebrew (many courses online for you to do so), study the TaNaKh, and give up this idolatry as you were commanded to. You’ll come to the same conclusion and be much happier for it.
HaShem warned us about man made religion and how it always leads to idolatry eventually.
That he do.
Does Meza believe Adam and Eve were Jews?
How many times do I have to say that Adam and Eve were Rednecks? They lived in a double-wide! Probably owned slaves! And their parents were . . . no, wait a minute, that doesn't work . . . their children all married each other! [/humor]
Traditional Judaism is sometimes called Orthopraxy, as there is a freedom of thought foreign to a religion like Christianity, as long as behavior conforms to accepted norms.
Though there are a few beliefs that are mitzvot: the Oneness of G-d and Torah Min Shamayim being examples.
I sometimes speculate that the enormous amount of mitzvot Jews have to observe each and every day draws off a lot of nervous religious energy that might otherwise be channeled into vehemency of belief. I suppose if Rednecks had the same amount of mitzvot from G-d and from authentic religious authorities that a lot of their own nervous religious energy would shift from belief to practice as well.
Namely, monotheism or monism?
And Psalmn 82 is also interesting -- note of course that this is a discussion for Judeo-Christianity as a whole,
Monotheism. Mono. One. Everything else is man made.
Why do people insist on complicating a very simple, basic concept?
well said and that point puts paid to any ideas of polytheism in judeo-christianity.
Technically this is a non-issue. Mary conceiving by or of the Holy Spirit is assumed to mean conception of a man-god hybrid, but you'd think after the birth of Louise Brown in 1978 that folks would consider that a man's son could be conceived outside of the normal process (and without the - ahem - seedy methodology required when humans do it that way).
I suppose that with a man-god idolology fully rooted in place, that such thoughts would never manifest, as that would allow for Jesus being well... a "son of man" i.e. a human being, and the actual genetic son of Joseph.
That may have been the kind of crazy talk that got people burned at the stake. :-\
This attempt to separate the teachings of St. Paul from Jesus is nothing new. It goes all the way back to Marcion. There is nothing incompatible between the teachings of Jesus and St. Paul nor the other apostles for that matter. St. Paul did not invent or start Christianity. I had professors that taught that the Old Testament should be interpreted on its own. That is not a new approach. The idea that Christianity is without scholars in the OT is absurd. What Scriptures do you think that St. Paul and Jews were reading? I doubt anything that I or anyone says will make any difference in your views. You want to believe that somehow Jesus and the rest of the NT are antithetical to each other.
Don’t forget the forced conversions.
Sorry, when HaShem Himself said He wouldn’t manifest in the flesh, I believe Him. It would the purpose of HaShem being HaShem, and I don’t believe He ever contradicts Himself.
IVF with man made science comparable to man made religion. Well, that’s one way to look at it, I guess.
Of course, that leads to the related and peculiar case of Zachariah praying in the temple. Gabriel shows up saying he's announcing the answer to his prayer - the answer being the birth of a son -, but then Zachariah responded with more or less a "Huh? How is that? We are too old". It makes no sense that his prayer was for a child, if he didn't believe it possible and doubted the veracity of the message/messenger. An answer to a prayer all right, but not in a manner he expected or believed.
"And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias..."
I figured he was praying for the return of Elijah, but failed to connect the dots.
Virgin birth or a mother too old to conceive/give birth... neither one is possible under normal circumstances.
I don't expect much agreement from anyone on these kinds of subjects, so no big deal. :-)
You are comparing something written by man to the true word of HaShem.
The Torah is the ultimate truth check, and it is pretty specific about reward/punishment.