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A new type of Judaism: Postethnic
Haaretz ^ | July 6, 2013 | Tomer Persico

Posted on 07/07/2013 1:43:42 PM PDT by sf4dubya

Magid identifies the creation of postethnic Judaism – a type of Judaism that does not take its identity from a tribal dynasty or a shared history, but from cultural values: things that are universal and suitable for everyone. Magid does not see this trend as the end of Judaism as a religion (in contrast to the Orthodox school of thought on the subject), or the end of Judaism as a culture.

Not only is postethnic Judaism not rooted in tradition – it also removes itself from identifying with the historical Jewish nation. This is one step further than multiculturalism – which celebrated the different and the unique. Now, Megid says, young American Jews have no desire to proclaim how unique they are, and avoid discussing uniqueness or superiority like the plague. Hybridity has become a value, and the blurring of ethnic, gender and religious boundaries is a regular aspiration.

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These Jews adopt traditional elements such as Torah study and observance of the Sabbath (not necessarily according to Orthodox halakha) and set out to perform social acts of tikkun olam (repairing the world). They are proud of their religion and disseminate it as an idea, instead of something that is passed down the bloodline.

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Another characteristic of this Judaism is its post-monotheism. According to Magid, postethnic Judaism has departed from monotheism in several areas. It does not believe in religion being exclusive; it does not believe in the agreement between one God and his chosen people; it does not see divinity as transcendental, but as immanent; and it does not feel obliged to carry out the laws of a monotheistic God out of fear of divine judgment. The theosophy of this Judaism is not monotheistic, but it is also not atheistic or humanistic. It is pantheistic.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Judaism
KEYWORDS: israel; jewish; judaism; pantheism; sammydavisjr; shaulmagid
Warning: another Jewish Renewal book.

“American Post-Judaism: Identity and Renewal in a Postethnic Society,” by Shaul Magid. Indiana University Press, 2013, 408 pp.

1 posted on 07/07/2013 1:43:42 PM PDT by sf4dubya
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To: sf4dubya

Jews not monotheistic? What hooey. We could call this new trend
Jew-nitarianism.


2 posted on 07/07/2013 1:46:27 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: sf4dubya
In many ways, this is what Jesus did. He maintained the core moral values of the Torah, but he included non-Jews in the promises given to the Hebrews in the Abrahamic covenant “the father of many nations,” and “in your seed all nations will be blessed.”
3 posted on 07/07/2013 1:54:11 PM PDT by Nemoque
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To: Mamzelle

LOL


4 posted on 07/07/2013 2:12:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Mamzelle
Jews not monotheistic?

Art Bell used to have people on that would reference about 3 places in the Old Testament (Torah) that appear to imply that God has an equal or two.

Daniel is the only Book that I can remember as having one of the references.

I would occasionally listen to a retired rabbi on shortwave that had a talk show. One caller must have been listening to Art Bell, because he brought it up, and the rabbi came decidedly, but politely, down on the monotheistic side. Probably itching to ask the caller if he was smoking crack...

5 posted on 07/07/2013 2:19:33 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: sf4dubya; Nemoque
In many ways, this is what Jesus did. He maintained the core moral values of the Torah, but he included non-Jews in the promises given to the Hebrews in the Abrahamic covenant “the father of many nations,” and “in your seed all nations will be blessed.”

Jesus brought a revivalist Kingdom Message to the changing Judaism of the Second Temple Judaism. He fought & taught against things like this evolution of "postethnic judaism".
Paul was the father of "christianity", not Jesus.
Jesus maintained every aspect of Biblical Judaism in his teachings to the Jerusalem Jesus Movement.
Post-Crucifixion, Stephen and the Hellenists took a different teaching to the Gentiles and Paul carried on with his message of the "universal greek Christ" into the Diaspora.
Someday, when 'christians' are able to read Jesus words through the lens of the Old Testament and not through the lens of Paul, (as many already do today) the Kingdom Message of Repentance in the context of Jesus' Revivalist Second Temple Judaism becomes quite obvious.

Altering Judaism because of the changing winds of modernity is the same thing that christianity has done for the past 2000 years.
It's ironic that Jesus looked back to the Old Testament and taught a biblical Judaism to his followers while instead christianity and modern judaism are always projecting forward and changing their religions when the winds change. That's exactly what Jesus' Mission was about about.....yet christianity keeps changing that mission by teaching "through the lens of Paul" and other men.
6 posted on 07/07/2013 2:26:50 PM PDT by brent13a
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To: Mamzelle; Ezekiel

“We could call this new trend Jew-nitarianism.”

also, homosexual marxism.

“Now, Megid says, young American Jews have no desire to proclaim how unique they are, and avoid discussing uniqueness or superiority like the plague.”

I think the Maggot is projecting and proselytizing to get some of them in his bed. And the muslims whose posteriors he will lick will still cut his head off.


7 posted on 07/07/2013 2:35:07 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: sf4dubya

‘Sounds just as heretical as our own ‘modern Christianity’. I simply cannot believe these people genuinely subscribe to their faith. I mean, to take the core of a religion, and then just add in a load of crap you made up yourself to make it ‘feel nice’ is self-serving and puerile.

These people are not Jews, and actual rabbis who study the word of God would be disgusted by it, just as I am disgusted by Universalism and all the other modernist garbage in Christianity today.

What right have these Jews to declare Judaism ‘pantheistic’ and ‘separate from the Hebrew nation’??? Did they receive some revelation in a dream? No, they’re making it up to forward a leftist agenda. Sickening, and damning by their own religion no less!


8 posted on 07/07/2013 2:44:08 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Mamzelle

“Jew-nitarianism.”

Good one! Although my keyboard is still shaking from the close call - use Key Board Alert for something that funny - please!


9 posted on 07/07/2013 2:51:13 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: sf4dubya
This is all post-modernist nonsense.

Rabbi Asher Meza is an Orthodox rabbi who, contrary to the mainstream Halakhah, rejects the Noachide movement altogether and wants to convert all non-Jews to Judaism itself, making the entire human race Benei Yisra'el and the entire earth 'Eretz Yisra'el. He claims this is the historic Jewish position which gradually disappeared as it became dangerous to try to convert non-Jews.

As I say, this is way off the tracks but otherwise he is Orthodox, and his web site does have some excellent counter-chrstian apologetics.

10 posted on 07/07/2013 2:54:05 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Mamzelle

Otherwise known as “ Orange Juice”.


11 posted on 07/07/2013 3:04:46 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Nemoque

He didn’t deny monotheism, or God’s unique covenant. The whole point of His being the messiah was that he was of the House of David.


12 posted on 07/07/2013 3:07:49 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Interesting.


13 posted on 07/07/2013 3:24:15 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: brent13a

(slow clap)


14 posted on 07/07/2013 3:28:21 PM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: sf4dubya

In other words, they don’t have to worry about being a ‘Chosen People’, since they don’t believe in whoever is supposed to have chosen them.


15 posted on 07/07/2013 3:35:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: sf4dubya

I glanced at the title and my tired eyes saw “Prosthetic” and wondered.


16 posted on 07/07/2013 3:42:36 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: Marie; brent13a

And you’re still giving his Judaizing more applause than it deserves.


17 posted on 07/07/2013 3:57:04 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: sf4dubya
postethnic Judaism – a type of Judaism that does not take its identity from a tribal dynasty or a shared history, but from cultural values: things that are universal and suitable for everyone.

They subscribe to the tenets of Bill and Ted, "Be excellent to one another".

18 posted on 07/07/2013 4:09:07 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: sf4dubya
Another characteristic of this Judaism is its post-monotheism. According to Magid, postethnic Judaism has departed from monotheism in several areas. It does not believe in religion being exclusive; it does not believe in the agreement between one God and his chosen people; it does not see divinity as transcendental, but as immanent; and it does not feel obliged to carry out the laws of a monotheistic God out of fear of divine judgment. The theosophy of this Judaism is not monotheistic, but it is also not atheistic or humanistic. It is pantheistic.

What is it represented by? A golden calf?

19 posted on 07/07/2013 4:35:07 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: sf4dubya

The only Judaism Ha’aretz wants is “post-Jewish”.


20 posted on 07/07/2013 5:26:45 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

hehe

Meza does indeed make some excellent apologetics.

Does Meza believe Adam and Eve were Jews? How about the sons of Jacob? Were they all Jews? Solomon had it wrong when he allowed non-Jews an important role in building the Temple?

Traditional Judaism is sometimes called “Orthopraxy”, as there is a freedom of thought foreign to a religion like Christianity, as long as behavior conforms to accepted norms.


21 posted on 07/07/2013 6:48:47 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I laughed so hard that I cried. He can’t be serious.

How about he focus on... Oh I don’t know... Actual Jews?

I thought the whole Jewish Renewal movement died when the last of the hippies swore off LSD?


22 posted on 07/08/2013 12:34:26 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: SuziQ

Pantheism isn’t Jdaism. I have no idea what these crazy people are practicing, but I know it isn’t Judaism.

This is too far out even for the Reformniks.


23 posted on 07/08/2013 12:41:16 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: kabumpo

You can’t be of the House of David through Joseph and have a virgin birth.


24 posted on 07/08/2013 12:43:26 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: sf4dubya

This proposal is not happening in a vacuum. It’s just one more plot trying to undermine the Judaeo-Christian faith in God and biblical canons of civilized behavior. Reform and Conservative Judaism were already way on their way to political correct nonsense. The homosexual agenda is part and parcel of this, as is the campaign to pretend that Palestine was and always will the land God gave to the Jewish people and only the Jewish people as their eternal homeland.


25 posted on 07/08/2013 2:26:08 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

The homosexual agenda is part and parcel of a reinvention without God, as is the campaign to pretend that Palestine wasn’t the land God gave to the Jewish people and only the Jewish people as their eternal homeland.


26 posted on 07/08/2013 2:28:52 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: sf4dubya

That is a complex issue, but remember that Joseph was Mary’s kinsman; he was descended from David via his mother.


27 posted on 07/08/2013 2:39:35 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Nemoque

Judaism always welcomed “the stranger” from its beginnings, so far as that person respected The Law.


28 posted on 07/08/2013 4:23:04 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: kabumpo

Understanding HaShem does not divide into multiple parts is not complex. It passes patrilineal from father to son just like any Kohanim. Learn Hebrew (many courses online for you to do so), study the TaNaKh, and give up this idolatry as you were commanded to. You’ll come to the same conclusion and be much happier for it.


29 posted on 07/08/2013 8:24:36 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: brent13a

HaShem warned us about man made religion and how it always leads to idolatry eventually.


30 posted on 07/08/2013 8:49:21 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: jjotto
Meza does indeed make some excellent apologetics.

That he do.

Does Meza believe Adam and Eve were Jews?

How many times do I have to say that Adam and Eve were Rednecks? They lived in a double-wide! Probably owned slaves! And their parents were . . . no, wait a minute, that doesn't work . . . their children all married each other! [/humor]

Traditional Judaism is sometimes called “Orthopraxy”, as there is a freedom of thought foreign to a religion like Christianity, as long as behavior conforms to accepted norms.

Though there are a few beliefs that are mitzvot: the Oneness of G-d and Torah Min Shamayim being examples.

I sometimes speculate that the enormous amount of mitzvot Jews have to observe each and every day draws off a lot of nervous religious energy that might otherwise be channeled into vehemency of belief. I suppose if Rednecks had the same amount of mitzvot from G-d and from authentic religious authorities that a lot of their own nervous religious energy would shift from belief to practice as well.

31 posted on 07/08/2013 10:31:13 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Calvin Locke; Mamzelle; Yehuda; Zionist Conspirator
non-Monotheism in the Bible is an interesting topic, right from the "thou shalt have no other gods before me" -- is that acknowledging the other gods existence or acknowledging that humans make gods (not only out of stone but we even now make "science" and "technology" gods)?

Namely, monotheism or monism?

And Psalmn 82 is also interesting -- note of course that this is a discussion for Judeo-Christianity as a whole,

32 posted on 07/08/2013 7:53:08 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

Monotheism. Mono. One. Everything else is man made.

Why do people insist on complicating a very simple, basic concept?


33 posted on 07/09/2013 1:05:12 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: Cronos; Calvin Locke; rmlew; Ezekiel; Eleutheria5; Nachum

I’m no Rabbi nor Talmud student but I have read that people have misinterpreted the various names of G-d as well the descriptions of Him as exemplars of different attributes (”Mercy”, “Judging”, “Vengeful” etc) and thus erroneously “concluded” that Jews worship more than one G-d.

Imho, the big takeaway from the discussion of the various names / attributes is (via my uneducated reading of Maimonides) that G-d is unknowable and in a form (non-form) unknowable and incomprehensible to man, and thus we anthropomorphize Him (/stops and looks both ways...) for purposes of learning, but there is no corpus, no comparison to a man, and thinking so gets in the way of serving G-d.

http://www.mesora.org/13principles.html


34 posted on 07/09/2013 8:09:07 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda; Calvin Locke; rmlew; Ezekiel; Eleutheria5; Nachum
we anthropomorphize Him (/stops and looks both ways...) for purposes of learning, but there is no corpus, no comparison to a man, and thinking so gets in the way of serving G-d.

well said and that point puts paid to any ideas of polytheism in judeo-christianity.

35 posted on 07/09/2013 11:53:15 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: sf4dubya; Yehuda
You can’t be of the House of David through Joseph and have a virgin birth.

Technically this is a non-issue. Mary conceiving by or of the Holy Spirit is assumed to mean conception of a man-god hybrid, but you'd think after the birth of Louise Brown in 1978 that folks would consider that a man's son could be conceived outside of the normal process (and without the - ahem - seedy methodology required when humans do it that way).

I suppose that with a man-god idolology fully rooted in place, that such thoughts would never manifest, as that would allow for Jesus being well... a "son of man" i.e. a human being, and the actual genetic son of Joseph.

That may have been the kind of crazy talk that got people burned at the stake. :-\

36 posted on 07/10/2013 10:44:29 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: brent13a

This attempt to separate the teachings of St. Paul from Jesus is nothing new. It goes all the way back to Marcion. There is nothing incompatible between the teachings of Jesus and St. Paul nor the other apostles for that matter. St. Paul did not invent or start Christianity. I had professors that taught that the Old Testament should be interpreted on its own. That is not a new approach. The idea that Christianity is without scholars in the OT is absurd. What Scriptures do you think that St. Paul and Jews were reading? I doubt anything that I or anyone says will make any difference in your views. You want to believe that somehow Jesus and the rest of the NT are antithetical to each other.


37 posted on 07/10/2013 11:44:33 PM PDT by Nemoque
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To: Ezekiel

Don’t forget the forced conversions.

Sorry, when HaShem Himself said He wouldn’t manifest in the flesh, I believe Him. It would the purpose of HaShem being HaShem, and I don’t believe He ever contradicts Himself.

IVF with man made science comparable to man made religion. Well, that’s one way to look at it, I guess.


38 posted on 07/11/2013 12:02:41 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: sf4dubya; Yehuda
I don't disagree with anything in your post. Ethical issues aside, IVF was an example of how humans have figured out how to cause *human* conception outside the normal process, so why don't christians consider that Hashem could cause the conception of a human being (the son of a just man i.e. tzaddik, Joseph, in this case) outside the normal process? Why does it have to be a man-god hybrid? After all, Sarah's age-related infertility was somehow reversed. Or in a NT example, Elizabeth's also.

Of course, that leads to the related and peculiar case of Zachariah praying in the temple. Gabriel shows up saying he's announcing the answer to his prayer - the answer being the birth of a son -, but then Zachariah responded with more or less a "Huh? How is that? We are too old". It makes no sense that his prayer was for a child, if he didn't believe it possible and doubted the veracity of the message/messenger. An answer to a prayer all right, but not in a manner he expected or believed.

"And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias..."

I figured he was praying for the return of Elijah, but failed to connect the dots.

Virgin birth or a mother too old to conceive/give birth... neither one is possible under normal circumstances.

I don't expect much agreement from anyone on these kinds of subjects, so no big deal. :-)

39 posted on 07/11/2013 9:08:17 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Ezekiel

You are comparing something written by man to the true word of HaShem.

The Torah is the ultimate truth check, and it is pretty specific about reward/punishment.


40 posted on 07/12/2013 1:57:57 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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