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WHERE IS RULE OF LAW FOR CATHOLIC LEADERS ON NATION'S BOUNDARIES?
Breitbart.com ^ | 7/8/13 | Dr. Susan Berry

Posted on 07/08/2013 3:36:09 PM PDT by BlatherNaut

"...It is curious that as Catholic leaders are campaigning essentially for amnesty, providing a plethora of images of “needy,” “struggling” families being “welcomed” by those who supposedly have “more,” there is scarce mention of another concept that many of these same Catholic leaders have highly prized, particularly in their recent struggles with the U.S. government: the rule of law. The notion that those who have come to the United States illegally should be exempted from the nation’s laws is not only not mentioned by these Catholic leaders, but also seemingly dismissed. The fact that many Americans have been the victims of violence at the hands of illegal immigrants has received little, if any, attention from Catholic leaders."

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; dolan; francis; gomez; immigration; lampedusa; ruleoflaw; usccb

1 posted on 07/08/2013 3:36:10 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Just try to sneak into Vatican City.


2 posted on 07/08/2013 3:44:12 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: BlatherNaut

Made this point on many occasions myself.


3 posted on 07/08/2013 3:57:11 PM PDT by Claud
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To: BlatherNaut

In which case the Hierarchy seems to have the same views former President George W Bush and his wife also have. While President he articulated even more outrageous views about how anyone struggling with poverty should be welcomed here not turned back by fences and ‘vigilantes’ (as he termed those Americans attempting to stem the unarmed invasion of the US).


4 posted on 07/08/2013 4:03:57 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: BlatherNaut
...there is scarce mention of another concept that many of these same Catholic leaders have highly prized, particularly in their recent struggles with the U.S. government: the rule of law.

As Glenn Beck has often said, you are either ruled by laws, or by men.

5 posted on 07/08/2013 4:05:57 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: BlatherNaut
Communism thrives on anti-capitalist thoughts, and America today concentrates on caring for those in need ... while at the same time most Americans don't know what creates wealth.

In short, the creation of wealth does not come from printing trillions in the form of more and more shrinking-worth dollars; it comes from individual freedom, good ideas, the creation of productive jobs, and willing production workers: aka Capitalism.

As the saying goes ... The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, and today's America is on the road to Hell ... thanks to communistic thinking

6 posted on 07/08/2013 4:17:05 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: BlatherNaut

I’m a practicing Catholic and I don’t quite understand what the Bishops are saying. They need to clarify because it’s one thing to treat illegal aliens with dignity but quite another to allow illegals to have the privileges of citizenship.

I liken this situation to participation in the Mass. Anyone can attend Mass but not everyone can take the Eucharist. People are free to enter a Church and look around out of curiosity, or pray, or even stay for Mass, as long as the Church doors are open. But in order to fully participate in the life of the Church, you must first become a member. In order to become a member, you must know the rules, and your intentions must be right. And even if you are a member, you must be a member in good standing, that is, in the state of grace, free of mortal sin before you can consume the Body and Blood of Christ.

Let’s liken that to citizenship in the United States. Almost anyone can come legally to visit, to look around, or to participate in American life for a little while. You can even get special permission to hang out for extended periods of time, if you’re a halfway decent citizen. But in order to vote, let’s say, or to fully participate, you must become a member; you have to know the rules; you have to speak the language to a minimal degree. You have to be law abiding. The United States has to agree to accept you. Then you go through the process to become a legal alien. Why is that so hard to understand?


7 posted on 07/08/2013 4:41:07 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: BlatherNaut
The Catholic leadership in the U.S. is completely disingenuous about this. On the one hand, they call for an "open borders" policy when it comes to immigration. But on the other hand they have completely abandoned anything resembling a Catholic tradition of charity and now hold their hand out to all levels of government to finance their own charitable initiatives business ventures.
8 posted on 07/08/2013 5:01:29 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Claud

Me too! There are these men who wear funny outfits who won’t let me in to the Papal apartment and Vatican garden. Surely these men are mean spirited and lacking in respect for me.


9 posted on 07/08/2013 5:05:50 PM PDT by dominic flandry
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To: Ge0ffrey
... it’s one thing to treat illegal aliens with dignity but quite another to allow illegals to have the privileges of citizenship.

Agreed. I find the position of the pro-amnesty bishops quite scandalizing. They haven't made the case that US immigration law is an unjust law to be disobeyed.

And even if you are a member, you must be a member in good standing, that is, in the state of grace, free of mortal sin before you can consume the Body and Blood of Christ.

I find the pro-amnesty bishops scandalizing on this too. If, in discussing your situation with your confessor, he learned that you were violating the law here on an ongoing basis, would you get absolution without expressing firm purpose of amendment? Without some plan for restitution? What if he learned you were violating the law in another country in order to better yourself or your family? Would you get absolution?

I find it quite scandalous that Catholics here illegally apparently aren't bound by the same requirements--set in canon law, if I'm not mistaken--that you and I are. No wonder so many Catholics feel free to disobey Church teaching.

10 posted on 07/08/2013 5:27:23 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot
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To: Ge0ffrey
I’m a practicing Catholic and I don’t quite understand what the Bishops are saying. They need to clarify because it’s one thing to treat illegal aliens with dignity but quite another to allow illegals to have the privileges of citizenship.

Allow me to help:

Archbishop Gomez on immigration, Pope Francis, abuse scandal
Latino Bishops: Undocumented Immigrants Are Not Criminals [USCCB / Archbishop José Gómez]
Law threatens Church’s ministry [official statement by Catholic Archbishop Jose Gomez]
USCCB backs Alabama bishops’ efforts to reverse immigration law [Archbishop Gomez statement]
USCCB campaign urges parishes to pray, preach on behalf of DREAM Act
Defeat of DREAM Act only a temporary setback, says Archbishop Gomez
President's immigration reform speech a good sign,says US Conference Catholic Bishops migration dir
New L.A. Archbishop...Discusses Immigration & Hispanics In Church
Immigration Integration [Catholic Bishops Advocate for Humane Treatment of Illegal Immigrants]
Catholic bishop calls for new thinking on illegal immigration
How to Train Catholic Citizens to Elect Morally-Perverted Catholic Politicians
US Catholic Latino leaders meet with Vatican officials, discuss ‘Hispanic reality’
Bishops to the Left of Senate Dems on Immigration
Praying for immigration reform [Catholic "Immigration Mass" in Los Angeles, CA]
Jose Gomez, champion of illegal immigrants [2005 post]

11 posted on 07/08/2013 6:20:16 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: PeevedPatriot

That is an excellent point.


12 posted on 07/08/2013 6:40:17 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: OldNavyVet
it comes from individual freedom, good ideas, the creation of productive jobs, and willing production workers: aka Capitalism

Mark 10:21 "And Jesus looking on him, loved him, and said to him: One thing is wanting unto thee: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."

This was an appeal to the rich man's free will; no government coercion or redistribution of wealth involved. Forcible redistribution is the antithesis of charity.

13 posted on 07/09/2013 4:34:15 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Ge0ffrey
I'm a practicing Catholic and I don’t quite understand what the Bishops are saying.

They are advocating for illegal immigration at the expense of the rights of American citizens and legal immigrants. They appear to be indifferent to the injustice of economy-destroying taxation and wage suppression resulting from massive violations of U.S. immigration laws. They completely ignore the the Catholic principle of subsidiarity in regard to this issue. They seem to suffer from the naive belief that America can and should absorb and provide for tens of millions of law breakers whose motives are purely economic (as opposed to actual refugees who are forced to flee somewhere for their lives). The injustice of their position speaks for itself. And ironically, although many bishops and cardinals appear to support socialism (in contravention of Church teaching), by supporting border violators they are aiding and abetting the "wild capitalism" (capitalism unameliorated by consideration for human rights and dignity) that the pope has decried. The logical consequence will be slave wages on both sides of the border, and a resultant increase in human misery.

14 posted on 07/09/2013 5:44:43 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
> go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor

If that isn't a commandment, what is?

15 posted on 07/09/2013 6:41:35 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Ge0ffrey; Mrs. Don-o

Any chance to send this to the UCCB? It’s perfect!


16 posted on 07/09/2013 6:44:51 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: BlatherNaut

So, according to these pointy headed morons, not only do we have to have open borders to allow the hordes of invading barbarians to get in, but we have to provide them with welfare AND provide them a “path to citizenship.”

Any way we can get the Pope to bust ‘em down to monk and replace them with somebody with a working intellect?


17 posted on 07/09/2013 7:08:30 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Little Ray

I am beginning to think that having the head of state also be head of the church has its good points...


18 posted on 07/09/2013 7:10:06 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: don-o; Ge0ffrey
I agree, Ge0ffrey, this is excellent. I'm working on an e-mail to my very respected pastor, who just this morning (in remarks about Pope Francis' trip to Lampedusa) failed to make the important distinctions which you made in just two tidy paragraphs.

The Works of Mercy don't translate directly into "Close our eyes, cover your ears, and do whatever is right and just, proper and helpful according to the Catholic moral principles of Nancy Pelosi."

19 posted on 07/09/2013 8:14:54 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of Information)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It might be helpful to share what you send to Father.


20 posted on 07/09/2013 8:25:15 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: OldNavyVet
go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor If that isn't a commandment, what is?

It's an invitation to this particular man, one which he was free to decline.

"If you wish to be perfect: to be perfect is demanded of all Christians; see Mt 5:48. In the case of this man, it involves selling his possessions and giving to the poor; only so can he follow Jesus."

http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/19/

21 posted on 07/09/2013 8:45:40 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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