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Vatican announces indulgences for World Youth Day
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Posted on 07/09/2013 10:22:45 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: circlecity
Who knows what they believe this week? - I sure can't keep up with it. Me neither. Yesterday a Catholic told me that Catholics didn't write the Bible!
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posted on
07/09/2013 11:32:30 AM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
To: Alex Murphy
Yesterday a Catholic told me that Catholics didn't write the Bible! Wow ... that one will him cost double time in purgatory.
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posted on
07/09/2013 11:44:49 AM PDT
by
dartuser
To: ArrogantBustard
Thanks
The whole purgatory business never made sense to me.
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posted on
07/09/2013 12:21:02 PM PDT
by
DannyTN
To: Al Hitan
"Sorry but indulgences seem to me to be a license to do what you want and then go say a few prayers......" "No, that license would be the false doctrine of "onced saved, always saved"."It would be, if it wasn't for those pesky other doctrines.
- Sin usually has a natural consequence.
- The Lord Chastises those whom he loves.
- And as you mature as a Christian and start to love others the way God wants you to, sin just sort of loses it's appeal, because sin almost always hurts someone else. In fact, I think "failure to love" is a pretty good definition of sin.
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posted on
07/09/2013 12:28:20 PM PDT
by
DannyTN
To: Al Hitan
"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin".
"If the Son shall set you free, you shall be free indeed."
"For I know whom I have believed and I am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day."
"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. " It is a very nice feeling to know I can't screw up so bad that God will turn his back on me. He might Chastise me sure, but my ticket to Heaven is punched, paid for by the Blood of Christ.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
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posted on
07/09/2013 12:41:03 PM PDT
by
DannyTN
To: DannyTN
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posted on
07/09/2013 12:49:02 PM PDT
by
ImaGraftedBranch
(...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
To: ImaGraftedBranch
Christ also sais this: http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-26.htm
Yes, but in context that was part of a parable of reconciling with your brother rather than being thrown in prison. It's not really applicable to salvation.
Nor is it applicable to sin. For if we must pay the "full penny" for sin", then we must suffer the second death and Christ's sacrifice is of no effect.
It's just good advice to make good on your debts and don't get thrown into prison.
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posted on
07/09/2013 12:54:02 PM PDT
by
DannyTN
To: Alex Murphy
An indulgence is a remission of the temporal punishment a person is due for sins that have been forgiven. If the sin if forgiven, there's nothing left to be punished for.
If there's punishment for a sin, then it hasn't been forgiven.
Do Catholics actually think through what they are taught and choose to believe?
Do they understand at all what forgiveness means?
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posted on
07/09/2013 1:47:54 PM PDT
by
metmom
(For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
To: Alex Murphy
The conditions necessary for receiving a plenary indulgence include having recently gone to confession, receiving the Eucharist and offering prayers for the intentions of the pope. The faithful must also carry the proper spirit of being "truly repentant and contrite" and participate in the gathering's sacred events and "pious exercises" with prayerful devotion. IOW, they have to be good enough to be accepted.
The Catholic church is the perfect breeding grounds for developing a spirit of rejection.
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posted on
07/09/2013 1:49:28 PM PDT
by
metmom
(For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
To: Salvation
Hebrews 10:12-18 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds, 17 then he adds, I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.1 John 1:9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
Isn't it amazing? If we confess our sins, we are forgiven. Period.
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posted on
07/09/2013 1:56:12 PM PDT
by
metmom
(For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
To: ArrogantBustard
If, in the future, you follow some such nonsense as that with "ECDBT" ... we'll know what you mean."ECDBT" Aren't those the cards that gas stations advertise they accept?
To: tnlibertarian
heh ...
trying to come up with words for the “C” and “D” ...
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posted on
07/09/2013 1:59:14 PM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: Nifster
exactly. It is wrong in so many ways
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posted on
07/09/2013 2:01:20 PM PDT
by
GeronL
To: ArrogantBustard
Go ahead and sin but feel bad about it later. lol
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posted on
07/09/2013 2:04:24 PM PDT
by
GeronL
To: GeronL
Go ahead and sin but feel bad about it later Is that what you believe?
ECDBT.
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posted on
07/09/2013 2:05:24 PM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: ArrogantBustard; GeronL
Go ahead and sin but feel bad about it laterBased on how I see virtually every Catholic I know lives, that sums it up pretty well.
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posted on
07/09/2013 2:07:52 PM PDT
by
metmom
(For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
To: GeronL
I see that you are posting a reply to my Post #20, which contains:
1) The Nicene Creed.
2) A link to the Holy Bible.
3) A link to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
None of these things contains your belief that one may "Go ahead and sin but feel bad about it later. lol."
Your belief is very strange, and not Christian.
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posted on
07/09/2013 2:08:05 PM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: metmom
Based on how I see virtually every Catholic I know lives, that sums it up pretty well. I cannot comment on the sort of people with whom you choose to associate. I can comment that your alleged observation is completely inconsistent with my observation of Catholics.
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posted on
07/09/2013 2:11:54 PM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: Nifster; Alex Murphy
Not so. I think you missed the part, thoughtfully put in bold letters by Alex, that says
"if they meet the usual conditions." "The usual conditions" means repentance and confession of sin, asking the mercy of God and with a firm purpose of amendment, i.e. to correct the wrongs done --- if it is in your power---- and, with the help of God , to sin no more and avoid the near occasions of sin.
If a person thought he was pulling the wool over God's eyes by confessing without repentance and asking for indulgence without any intention of truly turning away from sin, that person would be a fool; and he would be offending God yet again with his trifling or sacrilegious attitude.
I think any reasonable person could see this.
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posted on
07/09/2013 5:55:05 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
(All the love, half the fat.)
To: Mrs. Don-o
Then why do people in the roman church go to confession every week????
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posted on
07/09/2013 5:56:22 PM PDT
by
Nifster
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