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Leave the Church of Nice
ChurchMilitantTV ^ | 7-9-13 | Michael Voris

Posted on 07/10/2013 3:17:33 AM PDT by mlizzy

Leave the Church of Nice
vort-2013-07-09

Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. I’m Michael Voris.

Here is an appeal to any Catholic in the Church of Nice, or anyone who has a friend or relative in the Church Nice, please leave it now.

What is the Church of Nice? It's a worship community that sort of looks Catholic and OFFICIALLY is Catholic – but at the end of the day, authentic Catholicism has been sucked out of it in almost every possible way.

There are all kinds of signs you can look for to determine if your parish is a Church of Nice.

The priest will never preach on anything controversial related to your eternal life, like homosexuality, abortion, reception of Holy Communion as a divorced and remarried parishioner.

He will never utter a word about the immortal danger your soul is in if you are co-habiting and or having sex outside of marriage or using contraception INSIDE marriage.

Times for Confession will be sparse and practically none of the parishioners ever go including you.

If you have been going to your Church of Nice parish for some years, you will occasionally have the thought come to your mind that it seems like less and less people attend.

You will also notice that there are nowhere near as many young adults or families as you remember from years ago. But the music director will bust out in a loud song rich with lyrics about the community, instead of God, and you will forget your thoughts about less people in the pews.

You will also hear a strange thing from time to time about something the RCIA instructor or Religious Ed director said in class and you will think to yourself for a moment – “hmmm .. that’s odd”, but then you will go on with your business and forget about it.

Then the occasional discussion will come up with friends and family who are former Catholics who bad mouth this or that about the Church – and while you might feel quietly uncomfortable about their outbursts, you won’t say anything because, frankly, you don’t have the knowledge to respond to them because it was never told to you.

And eventually, you will allow yourself to be lulled into a false set of comfort regarding their eternal lives by buying into the ridiculous diabolical canard that – it’s not REALLY important if they are Catholic or not – after all, they’re basically good people and God understands and we are all going to Heaven anyway so not that big a deal.

If you go to a parish replete with altar girls, protestant hymns, an army of so-called “Eucharistic ministers” (which they are NOT by the way), a joke-cracking priest, a congregation receiving Holy Communion in their hands, warped catechesis coming from the adult and/or kids religious ed department, no substantive preaching, a congregation with more older people than younger families and no one really in between, where people around you, including you dress in clothes more suited for going to the movies than worshipping God, if almost the entire congregation goes to Holy Communion, and a good number of them never return to their seats afterwards, if it is customary to applaud the band or singers – then you can be pretty certain, your parish is a Church of Nice.

If you have no idea why this list of issues are problematic, then you are almost guaranteed to belong to the Church of Nice.

If you don’t know the answers to the following basic questions, you should be concerned:

If you can’t answer ALL of these questions – at least on some fundamental level – then you need to be very concerned about your faith life. And this is just a beginning list – it could easily have hundreds of questions on it.

What the Church of Nice gang has been so fantastic at over the past 40 or 50 years .. and this means bishops and priests .. is substituting knowledge with feelings. In this manner, they have introduced into the faith a humanist dimension that has no place in the Church.

The same madness that goes on in the culture about not being judgemental and always making sure no one is offended has become paramount in the Church as well, thanks to the Church of Nice crowd – hence the name, Church of NICE, where everyone is always Nice.

If you attend a parish that subscribes to the Church of Nice agenda – watch out. Your soul is in jeopardy, serious jeopardy.

It is very likely that your religious instruction is deficient, you haven’t been to confession in God knows how long, and if you have children – they are bored out of their minds and more than likely will stop attending Mass after they leave home.

These are all symptoms of a dying faith – and it can all be placed at the doorstep of the Church of Nice.

The Church of Nice is failing in spectacular fashion! It’s beginning to resemble the Russian Front from the German’s perspective in World War II. It won’t be much longer before the whole edifice is flat out overrun. As the Russian forces – the Red Army – was overrunning town after town and province after province – reclaiming all that had been taken by the Nazis in the previous two years, many of the German High Command and the civilian population back in Berlin carried on as though the eastern front was a sad fact, but not one they REALLY had to worry about.

In April 1945, the first Russian tanks crashed into the heart of Berlin. It took a while, but when it happened, it was decisive and final. This is what is happening in the Church today – the portion of the Church, which is the majority part of it, that worships at the Altar of Nice. It is being overrun and the defeat is monumental.

2000 US parishes closed in the last 20 years, 1300 of them in the past 10 years and no end of closings in sight. And why has the Church of Nice risen to such heights of power and control.

Because fallen human nature is weak. Because most people don’t like confrontation and will only occasionally do the right thing and challenge evil and wrong. Because being vigilant – always vigilant - exacts a cost. And because sin is attractive. And because we are lazy and slothful.

If it were not for the Catholic Church, the whole world would end up in Hell because the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation. This is its charter – to be the instrument of salvation – not merely a sign of salvation, but the actual instrument through which God works His salvific action.

When much of that Church casts aside that charter and adopts an inauthentic attitude of being the Church of Nice, then the world will go out of balance – as it has – and the eternal lives of those Church of Nice members hangs in the balance.

If you attend a Church of Nice parish – get out of it and get to a parish where you will get AUTHENTIC Catholicism – the real McCoy. If you have friends or family who need to hear this, pass it along. If you have priests or know of them who are not fulfilling their duties to help you and your families get to heaven by bringing you the real faith – send them this. The clock is running out. The tanks will come crashing in to the town square soon enough – and when that happens – it will be too late.

GOD Love you. I’m Michael Voris


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Michael Voris' suggestion is a good one. We attended a very respectful Novus Ordo last Saturday morning (everything that could have been in Latin, was), and plan on going to that parish whenever possible for daily Mass. We already attend there frequently on Sundays for their Traditional Latin Mass.
1 posted on 07/10/2013 3:17:34 AM PDT by mlizzy
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To: mlizzy
Parishes that offer the Tridentine Mass [we have found] also offer respectful Novus Ordo Masses. Tridentine Mass Locations: http://web2.airmail.net/carlsch/EFMass/churches.htm
2 posted on 07/10/2013 3:23:49 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

Yes, but doing all these novena stuff isn’t for everyone. I have ambivalent feelings about this topic. Sure its great if we can all follow the rules, but that’s not easy. I’m not saying Catholic churches should perform gay marriages, but expecting all parishioners to act like saints would be nice, but not realistic.


3 posted on 07/10/2013 3:34:34 AM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: mlizzy
What does this guy have against France?

THAT is the Church of Nice, I have seen worse.
4 posted on 07/10/2013 3:35:14 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: mlizzy

For those for whom the message has been sent, might this be noted as a form of a ‘pre-housecleaning’ prophecy?


5 posted on 07/10/2013 3:37:43 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: mlizzy

ping


6 posted on 07/10/2013 3:39:04 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: mlizzy

“Church of Nice” is not limited to Catholic parishes. There are plenty of Protestant churches and Jewish synagogues that are more about social issues than about God.


7 posted on 07/10/2013 3:42:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: TexGrill

I sympathize with your view. I attend both a Novus Ordo and a Tridentine Mass (work permitting—it’s farther away) and while we are all called to be saints it doesn’t make it easier when the homily from the pulpit is full of mamby-pamby, wishy-washy new age language, not to mention it totally obscures the purpose of the Mass. It’s bad enough a priest won’t mention these things to begin with. But to try to cover for it with a syrupy sermon that has no theological backbone to it is an affront to all good Christian people.


8 posted on 07/10/2013 3:42:13 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011

You raise some valid points, but let’s say there’s someone like me, who’s politically conservative but not saint-like. So I might not pay much attention to a priest who appears wishy-washy but Im happy he’s charming. However, I might be hesitant to return to a parish where a priest gives a sermon on how some of my behavior should stop immediately and if not, don’t come back to his parish. Sure, it’s good to pray and believe in God, but let’s be honest how many can really be saints? Probably not many, even if everyone tried to be one.


9 posted on 07/10/2013 3:53:46 AM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: Dr. Sivana

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Leave the Church of Nice, Dr. Sivana wrote:
What does this guy have against France? Accompanied by the pix of the Cathederal of Nice France

That’s pronounced Neece not Nyce spelled Nice.


10 posted on 07/10/2013 4:02:07 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: TexGrill

“Yes, but doing all these novena stuff isn’t for everyone. I have ambivalent feelings about this topic. Sure its great if we can all follow the rules, but that’s not easy. I’m not saying Catholic churches should perform gay marriages, but expecting all parishioners to act like saints would be nice, but not realistic.”

I am by no means a saint, but since attending a Tridentine Mass every Sunday starting just before Holy Week 2012, I can tell you that I have gotten closer to that goal.

Being Catholic should be difficult, and cleaving to the Church’s teachings is a constant struggle. But by setting the bar high, the Church raises our level of behavior.

We have a line of 10-20 adults and kids for confession before Mass every Sunday; the rest of the congregation prays the Rosary before Mass. Frequent confession and Marian devotions are a strong source of grace to make us better Catholics.


11 posted on 07/10/2013 4:09:39 AM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: mlizzy

Great term “Church of Nice”. But if you live in a rural area you take what you can get.


12 posted on 07/10/2013 4:10:55 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Voris was inducted into the Knighthood of the Royal Order of St. Michael of the Wing, by the Royal House of Portugal.
13 posted on 07/10/2013 4:13:14 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Not Guilty by reason of sanity.)
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To: mlizzy

Michael Voris has some video on his ChurchMilitant.tv free site The Vortex where he calls it the American Patriotic Church in comparing it to the Catholic Church in China. Very good also.


14 posted on 07/10/2013 4:13:25 AM PDT by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: TexGrill
In that case I would say, as a fellow conservative, "We're conservatives! We value substance over style. Leave the other stuff to the liberals!" But I understand what you're saying. Keep in mind two things: (1): Everyone in Heaven is a saint by definition. (2) As Catholics (I'm assuming you're Catholic--if not, my apologies) we believe in Purgatory, and if you've made it there you're in like flynn. So God in his Mercy built a truckstop for those of us not quite pure enough to meet him face to face...yet. Plus you have until you're dying breath to make your confession and receive absolution. I'm still working my own salvation--I have some issues to work out just as you do. But it's not an impossible task. I've learned as I get older (I'm 34) that the urge to commit sins of the flesh wanes, but seems to be replaced by sins of the ego: pride, etc. So it's a lifelong struggle. And for me, I appreciate a more in-yourface attitude from my priests. I do also appreciate the charming, the use-honey-not-vinegar approach. They all have their places. It's just I think we've been subjected enough to the "nice" approach. To the point where truth can't be spoken for fear of being "un-nice"
15 posted on 07/10/2013 4:17:55 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: PapaBear3625
I attended an small country-church Episcopalian service during the fall campaign for the 2004 election. The minister (or priest if you prefer) turned the sermon into a full-blown shameless campaign speech for John Forbes Kerry.

After ten minutes, I walked out of the service.

16 posted on 07/10/2013 4:20:49 AM PDT by Makana (Patience is minor despair dressed up as a virtue.)
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To: mc5cents

I second the motion. I’m a premium subscriber to ChurchMilitant.TV. For $10/month it’s the best catechesis you’ll get IMO. I know some Catholics are put off by his seemingly gruff exterior when watching his Vortex videos but his teaching videos are excellent. Whether you’re a novice apologist like myself or pratically a doctor of the Church. It’s all good (Endorsement Mode Off) :-)


17 posted on 07/10/2013 4:27:12 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: mlizzy

Agree with a lot of this but just don’t see the value in suit/tie white glove and bonnet dress up for a real catholic mass. For most of the church’s existence folks came in from the fields when the bells rang in their robes or only clothes they had. No swim suits please but penguin outfits at church are a weird american idea. I like st. Francis’ view more than this guy.


18 posted on 07/10/2013 4:29:10 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: epluribus_2

I think we get both. I’m reminded of those WWII and Vietnam movies where we see the priest saying Mass on the hood of a Jeep. I’m sure it happened. What I think it means is that: when we can, we should.


19 posted on 07/10/2013 4:34:18 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Dr. Sivana

I recommend Le Safari, about 1/4 mile south of there on the Cours Saleya. Nice restaurant and outdoor cafe.


20 posted on 07/10/2013 4:39:20 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: JPX2011
This is from the Philippine church but a good display of at least some dress code basics:


21 posted on 07/10/2013 4:44:14 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Exactly! We’re not asking for the moon and the stars here. Last thing I need is to attempt to be in communion with God in the Holy Eucharist and be distracted by some hottie dressed inappropriately a few pews over.


22 posted on 07/10/2013 4:52:34 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011

The only thing I disagree with on the poster is the T Shirt for men. I have seen some guys wearing Megadeath, Black Sabbath, and other such demonic pictures and words that where completely unacceptable. In fact, it would have been better for them to attend Mass shirtless, than to bring such messages and visuals before the Body and Blood of our Savior!


23 posted on 07/10/2013 4:54:57 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: TexGrill

My 89 year old aunt says that back in the day there were only Catholics: not liberal Catholics or conservative Catholics but just Catholics. The cafeteria style came into vogue in the 1960’s.


24 posted on 07/10/2013 4:55:34 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: mlizzy

Being a Protestant (Pentecostal), I of course disagree with his “heresy” remark, but the rest of the article is spot on.

In all the world we see the liberal (Church of nice) churches dying. Why practice a faith that is no faith at all? If Christianity is merely being nice but then going and fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, and enabling others to do so, then why bother with it. I can be nice and have sex without going to church or reading the bible.

Real churches, and real faith, demand something of us. There is a cost to count and a price to pay. But we are far better off paying that price. We are happier, healthier, live longer more fulfilled lives and get to go to heaven when we die. Any way you count it, it’s really quite a bargain.

This is also why islam is growing in many parts of the world. It demands a certain discipline from it’s adherents. A discipline that is lacking in much of the Christian world (Europe for example) and that people are desperately hungry for.

Every child longs for discipline (boundaries) from his parents. When that discipline does not exist he will act out until the parents respond and enforce discipline. We never lose this need for boundaries. Being totally unrestrained is a very scary feeling. If no one will restrain our actions then no one really cares about us.

And so we long for the discipline that true faith brings into our lives. But the liberals have taken over much of the church (Episcopalians for example) and now preach that faggotry is OK even if God says it’s not (again as an example).

When our churches get back to real faith, they grow.


25 posted on 07/10/2013 5:32:48 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: TexGrill

We are all called to be saints. Nobody gets less help from the Holy Spirit than he needs to become one. That doesn’t mean we all succeed, but we should all be trying.

Surely one wants to draw closer and closer to the Lord? The alternative—just doing the minimum, continuing in what we know to be habitual sin, and letting ourselves off the moral hook for it by saying, “Oh, well, we can’t all be saints”—results in growing estrangement from God. What a terrifying prospect that is!


27 posted on 07/10/2013 5:36:03 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: mlizzy; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
If you go to a parish replete with altar girls, protestant hymns,

God forbid that some Catholic church might sing a PROTESTANT hymn, whatever that is.

The horror of it all. It's a sure sign a Catholics church has hit rock bottom. /s

28 posted on 07/10/2013 5:57:14 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: PapaBear3625
“Church of Nice” is not limited to Catholic parishes. There are plenty of Protestant churches and Jewish synagogues that are more about social issues than about God.

I was thinking the same thing.

29 posted on 07/10/2013 5:58:55 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Alex Murphy

ROTFLOL! Appreciate the laugh Alex.


30 posted on 07/10/2013 6:03:33 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: Alas Babylon!

People shouldn’t have to be told how to dress appropriately for church or out in public, but sadly, I’ve seen too many women dress like hookers for church.


31 posted on 07/10/2013 6:03:36 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

“If you go to a parish replete with altar girls, protestant hymns,
God forbid that some Catholic church might sing a PROTESTANT hymn, whatever that is.

The horror of it all. It’s a sure sign a Catholics church has hit rock bottom. /s”

The Catholic Church has a 1500-year tradition of liturgical music BEFORE the Reformation, and another 500 years of Catholic liturgical music since.

While many hymns written by and for non-Catholic christians are quite beautiful and sacred, they are even now not sanctioned for use during Mass in most Catholic dioceses, and were definitely not allowed prior to Vatican II.

It may not make sense to you, but we have our rules.


32 posted on 07/10/2013 6:08:16 AM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: JPX2011
Last thing I need is to attempt to be in communion with God in the Holy Eucharist and be distracted by some hottie dressed inappropriately a few pews over.

Are you distracted by her being a "hottie", or by how she dressed?

"Joe, why do you keep going back into the Confessional? Mass started twenty minutes ago!"

33 posted on 07/10/2013 6:12:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: mlizzy

Huh????

34 posted on 07/10/2013 6:15:28 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: mlizzy

A lot of pastors might get this in their email today!

Wow!


35 posted on 07/10/2013 6:43:13 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: paterfamilias; mlizzy

Remember that we have a new Archbishop out here in Oregon who has a lot of control over OCP.

I’m looking for many of those protesting hymns to turn to Gregorian chant.


36 posted on 07/10/2013 6:45:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom

“Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. I’m Michael Voris.”

Well, that’s wonderful but your spiel is clap-trap.


37 posted on 07/10/2013 6:47:15 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Makana

That’s how they lose their tax-exempt status.

That is never done in the Catholic Church as far as I know.

Issues are addressed, but never individual candidates.


38 posted on 07/10/2013 6:51:31 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: epluribus_2
Agree with a lot of this but just don’t see the value in suit/tie white glove and bonnet dress up for a real catholic mass. For most of the church’s existence folks came in from the fields when the bells rang in their robes or only clothes they had. No swim suits please but penguin outfits at church are a weird american idea. I like st. Francis’ view more than this guy.
While I would imagine Michael Voris looks very nice when going to Mass himself, I didn't get the idea he felt parishioners should dress suit/tie white glove, however, the more one attends respectful Masses, the more IMO they want to dress the same [respectfully]. And your comment about people coming in from the fields reminds me of our wedding.

My husband's friend (who grew to be a good friend of mine too) was a "pitiful" poor, crippled, ex-con (who had few friends save Mary and Jesus, and he spoke of them profusely), who walked over a mile in the blistering heat (hobbling using his cane) to attend our wedding. He came in sweating a lot, wearing his usual outfit, "raggedy-a**ed" blue jeans and "dago-t," and collapsed in the front pew (it was the closest to the door he entered) and sat along with the bridesmaids. When the pictures came back from the wedding, there were NO pictures of Sam. I was a bit heartbroken (but the image is forever etched in my mind); the photographer explained that he avoided taking his picture because he thought he was just some bum.
39 posted on 07/10/2013 8:01:06 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: metmom
I’ve seen too many women dress like hookers for church.

Truthfully, I wonder if many of them know any other way. Consider the use of pantyhose or stockings--their use is not "red carpet." That is, the Hollywood starlets don't wear hose. Unfortunately, that's where many women get their fashion sense.

40 posted on 07/10/2013 8:09:42 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Salvation
I’m looking for many of those protesting hymns to turn to Gregorian chant.
Yea to that!! Although my hearing is all screwed up, I can still appreciate and ♥ Gregorian Chant! With other music, I oftentimes will turn off my hearing aid as it comes through just as noise (unless it's a familiar tune).
41 posted on 07/10/2013 8:14:16 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: John O
When our churches get back to real faith, they grow.
I agree, and whenever I see your commentary, I think of our son who is a John O too, or rather, 'Toole... :)
42 posted on 07/10/2013 8:26:45 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Salvation
That’s how they lose their tax-exempt status. That is never done in the Catholic Church as far as I know. Issues are addressed, but never individual candidates.

It's been done before, if PBS is correct:

1841 was an election year in the state of New York. Five days before the election, at a Catholic rally at Carroll Hall, [then-bishop John Joseph Hughes] presented his parishioners with a list of the candidates he favored for council and urged them to vote for them....

....The Constitution gave Hughes the right to advise his parishioners how to vote, but the Protestant establishment was outraged at what they saw as priestly meddling in politics. Leading the attack, James Gordon Bennett, editor of The New York Herald....

....Hughes's politicking paid off. All but three of the candidates he had supported were elected. In April 1842, the state passed the Maclay bill. By a majority of just one, New York's Senate voted to end religious instruction in New York's public schools...It was a decision that New York's Protestant majority found hard to stomach. Four days later, on April 12th, riots broke out. Bricks were thrown through the windows of Hughes's house and doors were kicked in before the police arrived....By demanding religious liberty for Catholic immigrants, John Hughes had expanded the idea of what it meant to be an American.
-- excerpts from Hour Two of the PBS broadcast God In America


43 posted on 07/10/2013 8:52:35 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: PapaBear3625

Exhibit 1: The Episcopal Church


44 posted on 07/10/2013 9:28:18 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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To: Alas Babylon!; JPX2011
The only thing I disagree with on the poster is...

And forbidding sleeveless dresses means that the First Lady of the Toned Arms wouldn't be able to visit.... oh, wait...

45 posted on 07/10/2013 10:20:48 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Albion Wilde

Were you thinking that that would be a bad thing?


46 posted on 07/10/2013 11:57:09 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: paterfamilias

And sometimes those “protestant” hymns teach heretical notions.


47 posted on 07/10/2013 12:32:02 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

**And sometimes those “protestant” hymns teach heretical notions.**

I won’t sing them if I know they are not doctrinal. And it saddens me, for one is sung at many funerals.


48 posted on 07/10/2013 12:59:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: piusv; metmom
And sometimes those “protestant” hymns teach heretical notions.

I imagine Rock of Ages or On Christ the Solid Rock I Stand might give some Catholics pause, but The Old Rugged Cross or Amazing Grace? What's "heretical" about those?

49 posted on 07/10/2013 7:04:24 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: mlizzy
If it were not for the Catholic Church, the whole world would end up in Hell because the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation. This is its charter – to be the instrument of salvation – not merely a sign of salvation, but the actual instrument through which God works His salvific action.

This guy is loony...

50 posted on 07/10/2013 8:22:07 PM PDT by Iscool
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