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Posted on 07/10/2013 3:17:33 AM PDT by mlizzy
Leave the Church of Nice
Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. Im Michael Voris.
Here is an appeal to any Catholic in the Church of Nice, or anyone who has a friend or relative in the Church Nice, please leave it now.
What is the Church of Nice? It's a worship community that sort of looks Catholic and OFFICIALLY is Catholic but at the end of the day, authentic Catholicism has been sucked out of it in almost every possible way.
There are all kinds of signs you can look for to determine if your parish is a Church of Nice.
The priest will never preach on anything controversial related to your eternal life, like homosexuality, abortion, reception of Holy Communion as a divorced and remarried parishioner.
He will never utter a word about the immortal danger your soul is in if you are co-habiting and or having sex outside of marriage or using contraception INSIDE marriage.
Times for Confession will be sparse and practically none of the parishioners ever go including you.
If you have been going to your Church of Nice parish for some years, you will occasionally have the thought come to your mind that it seems like less and less people attend.
You will also notice that there are nowhere near as many young adults or families as you remember from years ago. But the music director will bust out in a loud song rich with lyrics about the community, instead of God, and you will forget your thoughts about less people in the pews.
You will also hear a strange thing from time to time about something the RCIA instructor or Religious Ed director said in class and you will think to yourself for a moment hmmm .. thats odd, but then you will go on with your business and forget about it.
Then the occasional discussion will come up with friends and family who are former Catholics who bad mouth this or that about the Church and while you might feel quietly uncomfortable about their outbursts, you wont say anything because, frankly, you dont have the knowledge to respond to them because it was never told to you.
And eventually, you will allow yourself to be lulled into a false set of comfort regarding their eternal lives by buying into the ridiculous diabolical canard that its not REALLY important if they are Catholic or not after all, theyre basically good people and God understands and we are all going to Heaven anyway so not that big a deal.
If you go to a parish replete with altar girls, protestant hymns, an army of so-called Eucharistic ministers (which they are NOT by the way), a joke-cracking priest, a congregation receiving Holy Communion in their hands, warped catechesis coming from the adult and/or kids religious ed department, no substantive preaching, a congregation with more older people than younger families and no one really in between, where people around you, including you dress in clothes more suited for going to the movies than worshipping God, if almost the entire congregation goes to Holy Communion, and a good number of them never return to their seats afterwards, if it is customary to applaud the band or singers then you can be pretty certain, your parish is a Church of Nice.
If you have no idea why this list of issues are problematic, then you are almost guaranteed to belong to the Church of Nice.
If you dont know the answers to the following basic questions, you should be concerned:
Yes, but doing all these novena stuff isn’t for everyone. I have ambivalent feelings about this topic. Sure its great if we can all follow the rules, but that’s not easy. I’m not saying Catholic churches should perform gay marriages, but expecting all parishioners to act like saints would be nice, but not realistic.
For those for whom the message has been sent, might this be noted as a form of a ‘pre-housecleaning’ prophecy?
“Church of Nice” is not limited to Catholic parishes. There are plenty of Protestant churches and Jewish synagogues that are more about social issues than about God.
I sympathize with your view. I attend both a Novus Ordo and a Tridentine Mass (work permitting—it’s farther away) and while we are all called to be saints it doesn’t make it easier when the homily from the pulpit is full of mamby-pamby, wishy-washy new age language, not to mention it totally obscures the purpose of the Mass. It’s bad enough a priest won’t mention these things to begin with. But to try to cover for it with a syrupy sermon that has no theological backbone to it is an affront to all good Christian people.
You raise some valid points, but let’s say there’s someone like me, who’s politically conservative but not saint-like. So I might not pay much attention to a priest who appears wishy-washy but Im happy he’s charming. However, I might be hesitant to return to a parish where a priest gives a sermon on how some of my behavior should stop immediately and if not, don’t come back to his parish. Sure, it’s good to pray and believe in God, but let’s be honest how many can really be saints? Probably not many, even if everyone tried to be one.
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Leave the Church of Nice, Dr. Sivana wrote:
What does this guy have against France? Accompanied by the pix of the Cathederal of Nice France
That’s pronounced Neece not Nyce spelled Nice.
“Yes, but doing all these novena stuff isnt for everyone. I have ambivalent feelings about this topic. Sure its great if we can all follow the rules, but thats not easy. Im not saying Catholic churches should perform gay marriages, but expecting all parishioners to act like saints would be nice, but not realistic.”
I am by no means a saint, but since attending a Tridentine Mass every Sunday starting just before Holy Week 2012, I can tell you that I have gotten closer to that goal.
Being Catholic should be difficult, and cleaving to the Church’s teachings is a constant struggle. But by setting the bar high, the Church raises our level of behavior.
We have a line of 10-20 adults and kids for confession before Mass every Sunday; the rest of the congregation prays the Rosary before Mass. Frequent confession and Marian devotions are a strong source of grace to make us better Catholics.
Great term “Church of Nice”. But if you live in a rural area you take what you can get.
Michael Voris has some video on his ChurchMilitant.tv free site The Vortex where he calls it the American Patriotic Church in comparing it to the Catholic Church in China. Very good also.
After ten minutes, I walked out of the service.
I second the motion. I’m a premium subscriber to ChurchMilitant.TV. For $10/month it’s the best catechesis you’ll get IMO. I know some Catholics are put off by his seemingly gruff exterior when watching his Vortex videos but his teaching videos are excellent. Whether you’re a novice apologist like myself or pratically a doctor of the Church. It’s all good (Endorsement Mode Off) :-)
Agree with a lot of this but just don’t see the value in suit/tie white glove and bonnet dress up for a real catholic mass. For most of the church’s existence folks came in from the fields when the bells rang in their robes or only clothes they had. No swim suits please but penguin outfits at church are a weird american idea. I like st. Francis’ view more than this guy.
I think we get both. I’m reminded of those WWII and Vietnam movies where we see the priest saying Mass on the hood of a Jeep. I’m sure it happened. What I think it means is that: when we can, we should.
I recommend Le Safari, about 1/4 mile south of there on the Cours Saleya. Nice restaurant and outdoor cafe.
Exactly! We’re not asking for the moon and the stars here. Last thing I need is to attempt to be in communion with God in the Holy Eucharist and be distracted by some hottie dressed inappropriately a few pews over.
The only thing I disagree with on the poster is the T Shirt for men. I have seen some guys wearing Megadeath, Black Sabbath, and other such demonic pictures and words that where completely unacceptable. In fact, it would have been better for them to attend Mass shirtless, than to bring such messages and visuals before the Body and Blood of our Savior!
My 89 year old aunt says that back in the day there were only Catholics: not liberal Catholics or conservative Catholics but just Catholics. The cafeteria style came into vogue in the 1960’s.
Being a Protestant (Pentecostal), I of course disagree with his “heresy” remark, but the rest of the article is spot on.
In all the world we see the liberal (Church of nice) churches dying. Why practice a faith that is no faith at all? If Christianity is merely being nice but then going and fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, and enabling others to do so, then why bother with it. I can be nice and have sex without going to church or reading the bible.
Real churches, and real faith, demand something of us. There is a cost to count and a price to pay. But we are far better off paying that price. We are happier, healthier, live longer more fulfilled lives and get to go to heaven when we die. Any way you count it, it’s really quite a bargain.
This is also why islam is growing in many parts of the world. It demands a certain discipline from it’s adherents. A discipline that is lacking in much of the Christian world (Europe for example) and that people are desperately hungry for.
Every child longs for discipline (boundaries) from his parents. When that discipline does not exist he will act out until the parents respond and enforce discipline. We never lose this need for boundaries. Being totally unrestrained is a very scary feeling. If no one will restrain our actions then no one really cares about us.
And so we long for the discipline that true faith brings into our lives. But the liberals have taken over much of the church (Episcopalians for example) and now preach that faggotry is OK even if God says it’s not (again as an example).
When our churches get back to real faith, they grow.
We are all called to be saints. Nobody gets less help from the Holy Spirit than he needs to become one. That doesn’t mean we all succeed, but we should all be trying.
Surely one wants to draw closer and closer to the Lord? The alternative—just doing the minimum, continuing in what we know to be habitual sin, and letting ourselves off the moral hook for it by saying, “Oh, well, we can’t all be saints”—results in growing estrangement from God. What a terrifying prospect that is!
God forbid that some Catholic church might sing a PROTESTANT hymn, whatever that is.
The horror of it all. It's a sure sign a Catholics church has hit rock bottom. /s
I was thinking the same thing.
ROTFLOL! Appreciate the laugh Alex.
People shouldn’t have to be told how to dress appropriately for church or out in public, but sadly, I’ve seen too many women dress like hookers for church.
“If you go to a parish replete with altar girls, protestant hymns,
God forbid that some Catholic church might sing a PROTESTANT hymn, whatever that is.
The horror of it all. It’s a sure sign a Catholics church has hit rock bottom. /s”
The Catholic Church has a 1500-year tradition of liturgical music BEFORE the Reformation, and another 500 years of Catholic liturgical music since.
While many hymns written by and for non-Catholic christians are quite beautiful and sacred, they are even now not sanctioned for use during Mass in most Catholic dioceses, and were definitely not allowed prior to Vatican II.
It may not make sense to you, but we have our rules.
Are you distracted by her being a "hottie", or by how she dressed?
"Joe, why do you keep going back into the Confessional? Mass started twenty minutes ago!"
A lot of pastors might get this in their email today!
Remember that we have a new Archbishop out here in Oregon who has a lot of control over OCP.
I’m looking for many of those protesting hymns to turn to Gregorian chant.
“Hello everyone and welcome to The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed. Im Michael Voris.”
Well, that’s wonderful but your spiel is clap-trap.
That’s how they lose their tax-exempt status.
That is never done in the Catholic Church as far as I know.
Issues are addressed, but never individual candidates.
Agree with a lot of this but just dont see the value in suit/tie white glove and bonnet dress up for a real catholic mass. For most of the churchs existence folks came in from the fields when the bells rang in their robes or only clothes they had. No swim suits please but penguin outfits at church are a weird american idea. I like st. Francis view more than this guy.While I would imagine Michael Voris looks very nice when going to Mass himself, I didn't get the idea he felt parishioners should dress suit/tie white glove, however, the more one attends respectful Masses, the more IMO they want to dress the same [respectfully]. And your comment about people coming in from the fields reminds me of our wedding.
Truthfully, I wonder if many of them know any other way. Consider the use of pantyhose or stockings--their use is not "red carpet." That is, the Hollywood starlets don't wear hose. Unfortunately, that's where many women get their fashion sense.
Im looking for many of those protesting hymns to turn to Gregorian chant.Yea to that!! Although my hearing is all screwed up, I can still appreciate and ♥ Gregorian Chant! With other music, I oftentimes will turn off my hearing aid as it comes through just as noise (unless it's a familiar tune).
When our churches get back to real faith, they grow.I agree, and whenever I see your commentary, I think of our son who is a John O too, or rather, 'Toole... :)
It's been done before, if PBS is correct:
1841 was an election year in the state of New York. Five days before the election, at a Catholic rally at Carroll Hall, [then-bishop John Joseph Hughes] presented his parishioners with a list of the candidates he favored for council and urged them to vote for them....
....The Constitution gave Hughes the right to advise his parishioners how to vote, but the Protestant establishment was outraged at what they saw as priestly meddling in politics. Leading the attack, James Gordon Bennett, editor of The New York Herald....
....Hughes's politicking paid off. All but three of the candidates he had supported were elected. In April 1842, the state passed the Maclay bill. By a majority of just one, New York's Senate voted to end religious instruction in New York's public schools...It was a decision that New York's Protestant majority found hard to stomach. Four days later, on April 12th, riots broke out. Bricks were thrown through the windows of Hughes's house and doors were kicked in before the police arrived....By demanding religious liberty for Catholic immigrants, John Hughes had expanded the idea of what it meant to be an American.
-- excerpts from Hour Two of the PBS broadcast God In America
Exhibit 1: The Episcopal Church
And forbidding sleeveless dresses means that the First Lady of the Toned Arms wouldn't be able to visit.... oh, wait...
Were you thinking that that would be a bad thing?
And sometimes those “protestant” hymns teach heretical notions.
**And sometimes those protestant hymns teach heretical notions.**
I won’t sing them if I know they are not doctrinal. And it saddens me, for one is sung at many funerals.
I imagine Rock of Ages or On Christ the Solid Rock I Stand might give some Catholics pause, but The Old Rugged Cross or Amazing Grace? What's "heretical" about those?
This guy is loony...