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Jehovah Witnesses dispel myths, discuss religion at Lyndhurst Kingdom Hall
North Jersey.com ^ | July 11, 2013 | KELLY NICHOLAIDES

Posted on 07/11/2013 7:52:18 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Jehovah Witnesses have long been frowned upon regarding their approach. Their mission is the study of the Bible to gain enlightenment and to spread the word of the Bible or the "good news." They also teach of a Armageddon, which they claim is nearer than most think.

The religion is fairly new compared to others and is based on Bible teachings of Charles Taze Russell who formed a Bible study group in 1870 and later founded the Bible Student movement comprised of "witnesses." It is based on intense study of their own version of the Bible called the New World Translation and evangelism or spreading the "good word." Jehovah Witnesses teach that the present day human existence is about to be terminated with the direct intervention of God, who will use "Jesus to fully establish his heavenly government over earth, destroying existing human governments and non-Witnesses, creating a cleansed society of true worshippers." They see it as their mission to warn as many people as possible in the remaining time before Armageddon. All members of the religion are expected to take an active part in preaching and spreading the "good news" through the dissemination of The Watchtower publication. Witnesses refer to all their beliefs collectively as "the Truth".

The religion is simplistic; it's Christianity stripped down to its core, minus the crosses, icons, saints and elaborate rituals. "It was Christianity kind of reborn," says elder Howard Carroll, a Lyndhurst resident. "A lot of churches were teaching things that weren't necessarily in the Bible."

The followers, which are anything but cult-like, come from all walks of life and transgress many cultures. The Watchtower is published monthly in 209 languages. Locally, followers get together in Lyndhurst at their hall on Stuyvesant Avenue on Thursdays and Sundays for "meetings." The hall caters to local Portuguese and Spanish speaking, as well as English, Jehovah Witnesses.

"We're very normal people with professions such as lawyers and doctors," says Carroll, an art appraiser. "Some people feel we're fanatics or nuts or in cults because of our zeal when they see us on the streets passing out pamphlets, but we're just trying to be like early Christians. Our people are encouraged to be tactful, loving and kind. If someone says they're not interested, that's okay. We respect that and move on."

The door-to-door days of "witnessing" has evolved to sometimes making cold calls and inviting people to weekly meetings. The all-volunteer organization has 8 million followers worldwide, 1 million in the United States. Most came from various denominations of people who were searching for answers that were written in a much clearer way than in other Christian faiths' Bible versions, Carroll notes.

Raised as a Presbyterian, Carroll notes that Jehovah Witnesses strictly follow Jesus Christ's teachings and the way he lived. Witnesses believe in a possibility of a personal relationship with God; and that God is kind and merciful, and would not eternally "torture" people. Although witnesses believe in Satan as a fallen angel and God's biggest adversary, they do not believe he lives in hell.

"This puts us at odds with other religions because many take the popular stance to go along with the crowd. We stick to principles as far as morality and real family values," Carroll says. "We stand neutral as early Christians did as far as participating in wars, for example. All of us learned to be ministers and teachers of the Bible. In that sense, many countries exempt ministers with regard to military service if they take a conscientious objection stand."

In his late teens, Carroll explored various religions. "I found that compared to all religions, Jehovah Witnesses were closest to Bible teaching. I was impressed with fact that it is non-commercial, and everyone is on the same level, completely integrated," Carroll explains, noting that many in his group include former Muslims, Jews and various Christian denominations.

Carroll spent two years in a ministry in Honduras as part of a teaching ministry. Back in northern New Jersey, meeting halls include Wood-Ridge, Lyndhurst, Passaic, Paterson and Nutley. During a recent Thursday night meeting, witnesses and elders discussed scripture, provided role play examples and more for their members.

"When we go door to door, we have to be selective. Don't talk to a woman about politics, or a man on how to raise children," joked Carlstadt resident and elder Julio Ramu.

Ramu became a Jehovah Witness when he was a teenager in the 1940s. "I remember my dad coming back from the navy during World War I. He was disillusioned and he picked up this book and said 'this sounds like the truth,'" Ramu, who was raised Episcopalian, recalls.

After Ramu volunteered in the ministry's Brooklyn headquarters for seven years, he got married, moved to New Jersey and worked as a welder. "I used to do door to door witnessing a lot. People were rude, sometimes indifferent, sometimes manifested interest. I probably helped 10 people to become Jehovah Witnesses, and two became elders," Ramu reflects.

The organization features elders, ministerial servants, and an anointed class.

Doors slamming and people shutting their blinds are common for ministerial servants. "I walk away and shake the dust off my shoes," says Margarita Barbieri, a Clifton resident and former Catholic who converted in 1985.

Zella Coley, 78, notes that the group never seeks to force anyone to change their viewpoints. "Jehovah wants a willing heart," Coley explains. "A lot of people think we're people chasers. They see us coming and close the doors. But we don't want unwilling hearts."

Basic differences between Jehovah Witnesses and other Christian sects are as follows: Christians believe God is a trinity—the father, son and the Holy Spirit, whereas Jehovah Witnesses believe they are separate entities, with God being the creator. They pray to Jehovah (God). There is no such place as a literal burning Hell. The notion of Heaven immediately after death is not an option, until the second coming of Christ. Additionally, unlike churches, one would not find crosses, icons and rituals at Jehovah Witness meeting halls where the goal is simple: to learn and educate others.

Critics love to point to Biblical contradictions, whether they exist in the King James version of the Bible or the Jehovah Witnesses', New World Translation.

"When you study the Bible, and its apparent inconsistencies, you may find one scripture to contradict another, but the third or fourth scripture will explain that contradiction," Carroll says.

The New World Translation is similar to King James, but with different flavors of meaning, and with simpler language. "I rate it as a superior literal translation, taken from Hebrew and Greek translations," Carroll says. "We don't take liberties with translations. Some Bibles are amplified."

One of the original key translations from Hebrew and Greek is the translated name "Jehovah" used for God. From Hebrew into Greek, the translation restored the name of God to what it originally was, as cited in a Psalm 83-18.

"The word 'God' isn't a name. It's a title," Carroll stresses.

The Kingdom Halls where the Jehovah Witnesses study is simple, with no crosses or hierarchy of church leaders, and instead looks more like a school. "We feel a restoration back to early Christianity," Carroll says, noting that like Paul the Apostle, all those who teach should volunteer. "We learn with the goal of being teachers of the Bible, not just stocking up knowledge but learning how to teach, which we do at service meetings."

Like the early teachings of the Bible, Jehovah's Witnesses focus on obeying or knowing: "You can't separate the two. If you know Jehovah, you want to obey Him. You gain happiness by serving."


TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Theology
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To: geologist

“The are excellent citizens.”

They are lousy citizens. They refuse to serve their country.


21 posted on 07/11/2013 9:35:28 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Alex Murphy
Much of what is THOUGHT to be taught in the Bible is not but is in fact the traditions of men used as a litmus test for Christianity.

THE defining characteristic of Jesus’ disciples was not a belief in a triune god.

22 posted on 07/11/2013 9:40:02 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
Much of what is THOUGHT to be taught in the Bible is not but is in fact the traditions of men used as a litmus test for Christianity.

Except when you can find it in the Bible.

23 posted on 07/11/2013 9:45:31 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: Lx

sn’t this what Jesus told his disciples to do after leaving towns that wouldn’t hear the word?


Yes but Jesus sent out the messengers to take the news to people that Jesus himself was going to be in that particular ares so that people who were interested in what he had to say could gather at the house the messengers found they would be welcome.

They were not to go from door to door but were to stay where they were welcomed.

They were setting up houses where people could come and listen to Jesus, the people in each particular area would do the advertising.


24 posted on 07/11/2013 9:49:59 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Rusty0604

“The JWs have given the “time of the end” warning and when it doesn’t happen, they simply change the date.”


Rusty you got that right! JWs are either brainwashed drones or 100% pure liars.

In 1975, I worked for a company that had 4 JWs (one was 1/2 owner), and all these glazed eyed JWs kept telling us that the earth was going to end in 1975 and only the JWs would survive. The 1/2 owner JW even built a bigger house for his other JWs relatives to come to at the end of time. (still makes no sense).

So, obviously 1975 comes and goes with no end of the world and every single one of these liars completely denied they had said any such thing. No excuses just a 100% denial that they had said it. It was exactly like talking to any Saul Alinsky lying liberal as they had no problem lying to your face.

If that is what they want to believe, as long as they aren’t beheading people like the hate cult of Islam, fine but they can keep their lying preaching to themselves.


25 posted on 07/11/2013 9:54:59 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Alex Murphy

They believe Christ returned to Earth and established His “Invisible Kingdom” in 1914. I would imagine things would be going a lot better than they are if Christ ruled the earth instead of Satan. They’ve predicted the “End” six times and once built a home for Abraham. Oh, Charles Taze Russell was heavy into the Masons and is buried under a pyramid.
They are most definitely a cult. Go on Youtube and see the heartbreak of disfellowshipped ex-Witnesses, most who’ve lost their families.


26 posted on 07/11/2013 9:56:22 AM PDT by Chaparral79
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To: Alex Murphy

Like being punished in a burning hell?


27 posted on 07/11/2013 10:07:52 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
Like being punished in a burning hell?

I'm sure it would be helpful if you could post some threads, providing apologetics for these beliefs. Or if you'd like, I can do so for you.

28 posted on 07/11/2013 10:11:15 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: Alex Murphy

A well-researched, even-handed examination of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, titled Jehovah’s Witnesses – Are They Really?”, is available for free download at:

http://sgdpress.com/Jehovah_s_Witnesses.html

Major sections of this publication are:

The Jehovah’s Witnesses Organization Was Admittedly Based upon Enforced Acceptance of The Teachings of False Prophets

Jehovah’s Witnesses Have and Have Always Had an Unscriptural “Key” To Understanding The Bible

Jehovah’s Witnesses Do Not Honor Jesus As They Honor The Father

Jehovah’s Witnesses Propagate Teachings Which Contradict Plain Bible Teaching


29 posted on 07/11/2013 10:23:00 AM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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To: ravenwolf

The quote is Mathew 10:1-42 from the KJ version. It doesn’t say Jesus will physically be there, it says as the Apostles have received him (Jesus), so the people should receive the Apostles.
It says that the Apostles are supposed to enquire who in it (the town) is worthy and they should go to that house.

Math 10:13-14 make it clear that if they don’t find the house and its inhabitants worthy, then the peace the Apostles let ‘come upon it whne they first entered’ should return back to the disciples and then they should shake the dust from their boots.

Now, Mathew 10:11 says that after Jesus is done instructing the Apostles, ‘...he departed to thence to teach and to preach in their cities. He uses the their form of there but he doesn’t mention who he is talking about. It is possible he is talking about his Disciples and the places they visit or he’s talking in general terms of all the places he will enter.

This is what I love about the Bible, it is written simply so us humans can attempt to understand it but it is not written at a second grade level or we would never get anything out of it. He also doesn’t write it at a PhD level either, can you imagine Genesis saying, God first created the top quark and then all the smaller elements (atoms) and then created molecules and DNA and continued on, no one would have understood it then or even now.
It’s not a hard book to read, (besides the fact that it points daggers at your heart in almost every chapter and if we didn’t have Jesus, we would be in a bad place).

I prefer the King James version as I like the way it’s written, what other version would have this quote about Lazarus lying in his tomb, “He Stinketh” too funny.


30 posted on 07/11/2013 10:23:36 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Alex Murphy
I used to go to the kingdom hall and have also talked with the J W,s a lot, nice people but following a money making organization. They bash the KJV for using the word God instead of Jehovah, yet God is in the new world translation many times. I don,t know if they bring a Bible with them when they come to your house or not but all i have saw is the little guide book that they can look up any answer which will supposedly prove their point. Never mind the fact that it is probably not on the same issue. The J.W,s say that the body and soul are the same thing, yet the new world translation says Mat 10 28 And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both soul and body in Ge‧hen′na. Maybe that is why they have never brought their Bible into my house, if the body and soul were the same thing the soul would be killed if the body was killed. I believe the ( supposedly )new world translation is not a translation at all but only a paraphrase from the KJV, just like the living Bible and most likely a bunch of others, and for the express purpose of selling books. I do agree with the J W, s on some things, such as Christmas and Easter, i believe they were incorporated into Christianity from the Pagans. I see Christmas as nothing but a fraud. After having said my thoughts on the matter i think there is only one that is going to judge, and that is God.
31 posted on 07/11/2013 10:45:01 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Lx

The quote is Mathew 10:1-42 from the KJ version. It doesn’t say Jesus will physically be there, it says as the Apostles have received him (Jesus), so the people should receive the Apostles.


I can not say that i disagree with you but I was not referring to Mat, i was using Luke 10.

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After these things the LORD appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, where he himself would come.

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And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.


I believe that is the scripture the Jehovah’s use or at least the one pointed out to me.

It tells them not to go from house to house but they will point out that Paul went from house to house.

Paul obviously went from Church house to Church house.

At any rate i see the J.W s as Christians even though i do not agree with them on many things.


32 posted on 07/11/2013 11:18:31 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Wurlitzer

I could and have thought of writing a book about the damage their prophecies have done to its members and their families, having lived through it. I never talk about this to anyone and here I am posting it for the world to see, but maybe if I can help anyone with my story it’s worth it.


33 posted on 07/11/2013 12:50:49 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: GBA
How did the simple message, spoken by what appeared to be a plain and simple man, His Word, His Body, His Church, be transformed into all of these different branches, denominations, systems and rituals, all so complex and each proud enough of itself to call itself the only way, the right way?

Easy...They added to or took away from the scriptures to create their own view...They invented traditions that even while they are condemned by God, have been given preeminence over God's written words...

The wisdom that can come only from God is replaced by human philosophy (man's wisdom)...

34 posted on 07/11/2013 4:20:29 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: geologist

All fine things to be, and yet totally worthless in attaining salvation.

Salvation is by faith in Christ because no one, not one single person, no matter how admirable they look on the outside to others, is capable of earning their salvation or paying the debt they owe for their sins.


35 posted on 07/11/2013 6:26:18 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Iscool
I agree. I think this is interesting:

"My Church is reigning in confusion;” – Do Not Judge
"Vassula, it should never be up to you to accuse them, learn to say instead: “let the Lord be Judge and correct them;”

36 posted on 07/11/2013 6:42:45 PM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: Rusty0604; count-your-change; MarkBsnr
They say they only welcome the willing, but if one of their children decide that they don’t want to be a JW, they disfellowship them, and no family members can have anything to do with that person. “Crisis of Conscience” by a former VP of the org. is a good read. It is a cult.

That is correct

37 posted on 07/11/2013 9:11:34 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: GBA
I agree. I think this is interesting:

The link you posted is the very claptrap I was referring to...

38 posted on 07/12/2013 5:25:19 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

I think you have judged too soon, and might be speaking with authority without having experience.


39 posted on 07/12/2013 5:29:11 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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To: metmom
I agree. My point is there are many religions that are not Christian and of course we respect and do not denigrate them on a regular basis. I personally am not in agreement with the Mormons. Just like Islam they had an encounter with the LORD through an angel. It is not good to confuse the world with all these mixed messages and getting incorrect ideas into Christianity. Look at the many many denominations of Christianity.
40 posted on 07/12/2013 8:02:45 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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