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What The Economist Gets Wrong About Calvinist Baptists
Patheos / Get Religion ^ | July 10, 2013 | Joe Carter

Posted on 07/12/2013 8:38:23 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

Today is the 504th anniversary of the birth of John Calvin (July 10, 1509) — and the 497th anniversary of misunderstanding Calvinists.

To commemorate the event, let’s look at a recent notable example provided by The Economist. The article is out-datedly titled, “Dippers divided” and the subhead is “Where evangelicals disagree.” Where evangelicals disagree, apparently, is on whether to maintain,

the “theocon” alliance in American politics between Catholics and evangelicals, who have set aside their doctrinal differences (over the Virgin Mary, for example) to take a joint stand against abortion and in favour of the traditional family.

What could be causing the rift between Catholics and evangelicals. According to The Economist, the alleged culprit is Calvinists in the Southern Baptist denomination.

. . . the effectiveness of the Catholic-evangelical axis may be compromised by a deepening ideological fissure within the evangelical camp; or more specifically within America’s largest Protestant denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention, which has about 16m members.

Broadly speaking, the difference is over whether Jesus Christ died to save mankind as a whole, or sacrificed himself only for a particular group of human beings, the elect, whom God had chosen in advance. The latter view is associated with John Calvin, the French reformer of the 16th century; critics find it too fatalistic, and inconsistent with the idea of a loving God. Taken to its logical extreme, some say, Calvinism can lead to an introverted, exclusive mindset: if most of humanity is irrevocably damned, what’s the point of engaging with the world?

Who is this “some” who “say?” Probably the same “some” who claim that premillennial dispensationalists (who are rarely, if ever, Calvinists) also believe that if most of humanity is irrevocably damned (see: the Left Behind novels), there is no point of engaging with the world. Of course, these same groups — Calvinists and dispensationalists — are frequently portrayed as also wanting to create a theocracy in America, so who knows what to believe. The “some” have a tendency to “say” contradictory things.

The Economist adds,

The perceived leader of the Calvinist camp is Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. He has helped to ensure that many of the young Baptist ministers now starting their careers have a Calvinist way of thinking. In many cases they are out of their step with their flock, and that can lead to stormy pastoral situations.

Change the opening “The” to an “A” and that paragraph is mostly right — predicated on the “Calvinist way of thinking” being actual way Calvinists think and not the caricature presented earlier. A few more paragraphs detail some of the controversy over Calvinism in the Southern Baptist Convention. The reporting on the controversy is rather uncontroversial, until they slip in the F-word:

Neither party will have the slightest truck with liberal ideas. But even among fundamentalists, there can be hard arguments over what the fundamentals are.

So now the opposite of theologicaly liberal is “fundamentalist” rather than, say, theologically conservative? Ugh. You already know what we at GetReligion think of that term so I’ll let that slide without further comment. Now back to the Calvinism:

Will the outcome of this argument make a difference to anybody outside the world of Baptist theology? Yes, because as well as being hard-line over salvation, the Calvinists oppose any blurring of the boundaries between Christian denominations. So there are limits to their willingness to co-operate with higher-church Christians. “The Calvinists have a very anti-Catholic theological stand,” I was told by David Key, director of Baptist studies at Emory University’s Candler School of Theology.

Mr Mohler, for example, responded to the general excitement over the election of Pope Francis by recalling that evangelicals utterly rejected the Catholic idea that the pope was Christ’s vicar on earth. In another statement, he said that Catholics and evangelicals might still agree on sexual and reproductive issues, but he also stressed that evangelicals could not accept the validity of the pope’s office.

Let’s examine some of the many confusions in those two short paragraphs. First, Calvinists do not oppose “any blurring of the boundaries between Christian denominations” because Calvinism is not a denomination. Calvinism is a theological system that crosses numerous denominational boundaries; you can be a Calvinist and be a member of a “low-church” denomination (e.g., Southern Baptist) or you can be a Calvinist and a “higher-church Christian” (e.g., Anglicans). Second, the limits to Calvinists willingness to co-operate with Catholics is almost purely on a theological level. But this is a trait shared by all Protestants. That’s why we’re called Protestants.

The Economist assumes that disagreements about theological matters (e.g., the validity of the pope’s office) will cause conservative Calvinist evangelicals to refuse to work with conservative Catholics on social and political issues. Obviously, they are unaware that this is the exact opposite of what most Calvinist evangelicals believe.

Within evangelicalism, the use of the term ‘co-belligerence’ was popularized by the Calvinist intellectual Francis Schaeffer. Schaeffer, whose influence on evangelical politics is incalculable, emphasized the importance of activism that leads neither to compromise nor separatism because of theological differences. As Schaeffer once wrote, “A co-belligerent is a person with whom I do not agree on all sorts of vital issues, but who, for whatever reasons of their own, is on the same side in a fight for some specific issue of public justice.”

Indeed, this view is not only shared by many evangelicals, it is the exact same position taken by Dr. Mohler. Here is Mohler’s own words:

. . . with the cultural challenges now before us, Evangelicals, Roman Catholics, and the Orthodox should stand without embarrassment as co-belligerents in the culture war. The last persons on earth to have an honest disagreement may also be the last on earth to recognize transcendent truth and moral principles—even the sanctity of human life itself.

This quote is from an essay Mohler published in the the ecumenical(!) journal Touchstone titled “Standing Together, Standing Apart: Cultural Co-belligerence Without Theological Compromise.” The date: July 2003.

Francis Schaeffer, the godfather of the Religious Right, wrote about co-belligerence 33 years. Albert Mohler, the “perceived leader of the Calvinist camp”, wrote about co-belligerence 10 years ago. For Calvinists, the concept of working together with Catholics goes back more than 400 years (Calvin himself worked with the French Catholic Inquisition on the Michael Servetus heresy trial). In other words, Calvinism is likely to have the exact opposite effect that The Economist seems to think it will have.

This is an embarrassing unforced error by one of the world’s most esteemed newspapers.* But other journalists can learn from their mistake and can avoid such shame-inducing gaffes by using a technique that has worked for four centuries: When you want to know what Calvinists think, ask them.

*For historical reasons The Economist refers to itself as a newspaper. Since Carter’s Rule of Religious Labels states that “Use a religious label a person would use to describe themselves and avoid using ones they would not,” I figure a similar principles should apply to publications.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: bapthists; calvinism; christianity; protestantism; theology
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...Calvinists do not oppose “any blurring of the boundaries between Christian denominations” because Calvinism is not a denomination. Calvinism is a theological system that crosses numerous denominational boundaries; you can be a Calvinist and be a member of a “low-church” denomination (e.g., Southern Baptist) or you can be a Calvinist and a “higher-church Christian” (e.g., Anglicans). Second, the limits to Calvinists willingness to co-operate with Catholics is almost purely on a theological level. But this is a trait shared by all Protestants. That’s why we’re called Protestants.

The Economist assumes that disagreements about theological matters (e.g., the validity of the pope’s office) will cause conservative Calvinist evangelicals to refuse to work with conservative Catholics on social and political issues. Obviously, they are unaware that this is the exact opposite of what most Calvinist evangelicals believe.

Within evangelicalism, the use of the term ‘co-belligerence’ was popularized by the Calvinist intellectual Francis Schaeffer. Schaeffer, whose influence on evangelical politics is incalculable, emphasized the importance of activism that leads neither to compromise nor separatism because of theological differences. As Schaeffer once wrote, “A co-belligerent is a person with whom I do not agree on all sorts of vital issues, but who, for whatever reasons of their own, is on the same side in a fight for some specific issue of public justice”....Francis Schaeffer, the godfather of the Religious Right, wrote about co-belligerence 33 years. Albert Mohler, the “perceived leader of the Calvinist camp”, wrote about co-belligerence 10 years ago. For Calvinists, the concept of working together with Catholics goes back more than 400 years. In other words, Calvinism is likely to have the exact opposite effect that The Economist seems to think it will have.

1 posted on 07/12/2013 8:38:23 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

This article is fine. The reviewer is misunderstanding it.

It is ENTIRELY true that critics of Calvinist Southern Baptists say that the Calvinist Southern Baptists are fatalistic (only a few saved, why bother?).

That is demonstrably true.

These critics, however, are mistaken. The reviewer of the original Economist article is making the mistake of reviewing the author of the article as if the author were engaged in the debate itself, rather than reporting on the debate.

So the Economist article is actually very accurate.

It is the combatants that the Economist article is reporting on who are making mistakes...namely...in mischaracterizing the end results of the Calvinist engagement with the culture.

Incidentally....and I side with the Calvinist Southern Baptists....Calvinists make the same mistake all too often. They (er, we) say things like, well if the pre-dispensationalists are right, then, why bother reforming the culture? They (we) then mischaracterize all evangelicals as just trying to get as many into the life raft as possible.

While this has been PART of the pre-dispensational legacy, speaking broadly, it is absolutely NOT part of the legacy of the most recent and most engaged pre-dispensationalists.

Look at the life and work of Jerry Falwell and Tim LaHaye and the many that they inspired. They are DEEPLY engaged in the culture. We Calvinists might say, well, that is in spite of their theological convictions. That is likely not fair at all. They are smart enough to know the full implications of their theology...yet...their theology led them to engage the culture in a way as deep as any Calvinist would ever hope for.

So.

The point being...and this is the point of the Economist article...”our” side of the ledger (conservatives) contain many opportunities for alliance across theological convictions.

It also contains a LOT of potential for misunderstanding among those who are in these alliances. The fault lines identified by the article are real.

Yet, the exceptions are also very real and a full treatment of this phenomenon would give consideration and an account for those exceptions, as well. (ie, what changed with Falwell? Why was he so great in engaging the culture?).

And finally....the Economist author is quite correct. Al Mohler IS the titular head of the Calvinist Southern Baptists. He wasn’t elected and he doesn’t have an official jersey or anything. But....when he speaks, we listen.


2 posted on 07/12/2013 8:54:20 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

BFL


3 posted on 07/12/2013 8:56:58 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

?


4 posted on 07/12/2013 8:58:04 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: .45 Long Colt

Is that a rude reply? BFL?

If so...why?


5 posted on 07/12/2013 9:00:02 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude; .45 Long Colt
Is that a rude reply? BFL? If so...why?

BFL means bump for later.

6 posted on 07/12/2013 9:08:18 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: ConservativeDude
"When he (Mohler) speaks..." some of us "listen," yawn and dismiss his leaning but as you state, he does speak for some.

Too bad, he has such a large following but many of us SBC'ers still do NOT accept Calvin's exclusive "elect" even Calvin himself, before his death, backed away from the totally exclusive elect, but that is rarely, if ever, mentioned.

7 posted on 07/12/2013 9:10:11 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Alex Murphy

thanks.

I am often very nervous when dealing with topics that deal with Reformed Christianity. We are a very touchy group and our tempers flare up easily. I try to do my best to control myself (so long as it depends on me, trying to live at peace with all people.....). But I know these are baracuda-infested waters.

obviously the intended abbreviation of BFL here is very benign.....


8 posted on 07/12/2013 9:17:28 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

BFL = Bookmark For Later... cuz someone doesn’t have the time to read the article right now.


9 posted on 07/12/2013 9:18:31 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: zerosix

Calvin’s exclusive “elect” even Calvin himself, before his death, backed away from the totally exclusive elect, but that is rarely, if ever, mentioned.”

Really?

That’s interesting. I’ve never heard that. Do you have a source on that? Calvin’s even partial recant?


10 posted on 07/12/2013 9:19:00 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Alex Murphy
Me thinks that someone is engaging in hopeful projection.

This Calvinist will march alongside of Catholics, Orthodox, Methodists, Lutherans, Pentacostals and anyone else under the blood of Christ, just so long as our goal is to be salt and light to the world. Our intramural differences are of no account compared to our struggle against the Prince of this world.

11 posted on 07/12/2013 9:33:35 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: ConservativeDude
I do have it but need some time to look it up where I had put it.

Had this conversation with another Pres. SBC Seminary, who pointed it out to me after we were discussing my former denomination, Presbyterian (also very pro Calvinist view) and later Calvin writings.

I'll punch this to my "save" spot as I need some time to gather up the information - for later.

12 posted on 07/12/2013 9:37:47 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: jboot
This Calvinist will march alongside of Catholics, Orthodox, Methodists, Lutherans, Pentacostals and anyone else under the blood of Christ, just so long as our goal is to be salt and light to the world. Our intramural differences are of no account compared to our struggle against the Prince of this world.

Amen!

13 posted on 07/12/2013 9:39:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: ConservativeDude

I thought it meant bump for later. No?. I’m part of the Calvinist wing of the SBC. Wanted to read and respond when I have time.


14 posted on 07/12/2013 10:39:29 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

You are correct, and I just didn’t know. Apologies...


15 posted on 07/12/2013 10:42:02 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: jboot

I’m with R.C. Sproul and John MacArthur, I won’t stand with Catholics because we do not hold to the same gospel. Otherwise, I fully agree.


16 posted on 07/12/2013 10:42:34 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: ConservativeDude

No problem. I’m accustomed to being bombed for my beliefs, so I totally understand.


17 posted on 07/12/2013 10:43:44 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

Yes, I think all of us Reformed types have that same fear...of course we dish it out, also...So that is sort of the spirit I approached this thread with!!! I was figuring a fight would erupt any moment!!!


18 posted on 07/12/2013 10:47:23 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: jboot

The catholics are the only ones on your list that add unbiblical dogma like Mariology and works theology to their creed. I stand with them on political issues like abortion (however I do not on social justice) but find it sometimes difficult to particicipate in worship because of extra biblical elements.


19 posted on 07/12/2013 10:54:50 AM PDT by what's up
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To: ConservativeDude

what protestant think the Pope is Gods “vicar?”

where do I find the terms Pope and Vicar in the Bible?


20 posted on 07/12/2013 10:57:25 AM PDT by GeronL
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