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WHAT ARE CATHOLICS TO DO? HERE ARE THE TOP 5 PLACES FOR VOLUNTARY EXILE
Catholic Vote ^ | July 13, 2013 | JOSHUA BOWMAN

Posted on 07/13/2013 3:06:04 PM PDT by NYer

Over the past few years, Catholics have seen a non-stop assault on traditional values. With the reversal of DOMA by the Supreme Court, the aggressively anti-Catholic liberal agenda will only become stronger. As Christians, it is our duty to bear witness and to stand up for our beliefs, but what if things get really bad–like secret catacombs, beheadings, burning at the stake, and thrown to the lions bad? What are the best places to hide away from the increasingly hostile secular culture? As a service to our readers, we present the top five places for faithful Catholics to spend a peaceful self-imposed exile!

5. Andorra

Encamp, Andorra, as seen from the Vall dels Cortals

Encamp, Andorra, as seen from the Vall dels Cortals

Like the Vatican, Andorra is one of few countries on earth to have a cleric as the head of state. In this case, Archbishop Joan Enric Vives i Sicilia currently shares the title of co-prince of Andorra with Francois Hollande (who also holds the title of honorary canon of the Archbasilica of St. John Lateran, the mother church of all Christendom). The main industries in Andorra are banking (thanks to extremely low tax rates), sheep, and tobacco products. The population is over 90% Catholic and the constitution provides special privileges to Catholics. Nestled in the mountainous Pyrenees, Andorra is an excellent place to get away from it all. The landlocked nation has no railways, ports, or airports whatsoever. The only access is by road or helicopter. As a fun bit of trivia, Andorra remained in a state of war with Imperial Germany from World War I until 1958 due to a small oversight in the Treaty of Versailles and despite the fact that Andorra did not actually take part in the fighting.

4. San Marino

The Guaita Fortress and part of the City of San Marino

The Guaita Fortress and part of the City of San Marino

San Marino has all the beauty and culture of Italy, but without a scoundrel whoremonger for a Prime Minister. San Marino, like Italy, is also 95% Catholic. Although national defense is provided by the Italian military, San Marino maintains its own mostly volunteer military and although the duties are almost entirely ceremonial, it is considered a great privilege to serve. The skyline of San Marino is dominated by three ancient towers which overlook the city from craggy mountain peaks. The most popular sports are metric football and formula one racing and every year on the 3rd of September, the micronation celebrates the Feast of San Marino which marks the independence of the tiny republic from the Roman Empire in the year 301 A.D.

3. Malta

Valletta skyline, Malta

Valletta skyline, Malta

The island nation off the coast of Sicily has a population of over 425,000 of which 98% is Catholic and Roman Catholicism is the state religion. Long the headquarters of the Knights Hospitaller, Malta has historically been a stopping point for voyages between Rome and the Holy Land ever since St. Paul the Apostle was shipwrecked there in around the year 60 A.D. To this day, Malta has a diverse but very small population of religious minorities which reflects its status as the strategic crossroads of the Mediterranean. The main language is Maltese, but English is also very widely spoken. Maltese culture places a strong emphasis on marriage and family and there are many traditions associated with motherhood.

2. Wallis and Futuna

Beach on Ile Aloka, Wallis and Futuna

Beach on Ile Aloka, Wallis and Futuna

Wallis and Futuna is a cluster of tiny volcanic islands pretty much as far away from anywhere you can get. Technically still part of France, the islands have been self-governing since 2003. Of the population of roughly 15,000 people, 99% are Catholic. Prior to their conversion, the native Wallisian people are reported to have practiced cannibalism, but nowadays the main ingredients of the local cuisine mainly consist of pork, chicken, fish, coconuts, mangoes, and figs. Like other Polynesian cultures, Kava is a popular beverage. The locals still perform traditional music, dancing, and rituals associated with their ancient pagan beliefs, but Roman Catholicism is the official state religion.

1. St. Pierre and Miquelon

Houses, Saint Pierre and Miquelon

Houses, Saint Pierre and Miquelon

Our top choice is this tiny island community off the coast of Newfoundland. Saint-Pierre and Miquelon has a population of about 6,000 of which over 99% are Catholic. The only territory in the world that is more Catholic is the Vatican, but of course you must be a cleric or a Swiss guard to claim Vatican citizenship. That makes Saint-Pierre and Miquelon the most Catholic country in the world that is open to the laity. The downside: the average winter temperatures are in the teens. The major industries of Saint-Pierre are all centered on fishing which makes sense, because St. Peter is the patron of fishermen. The most popular sport in Saint-Pierre is hockey and every year there is a heritage festival with traditional activities like lumberjack skills and the ancient Celtic sport of stone heaving. Keeping the Friday fast will be a cinch as the local cuisine is pretty much all seafood all the time.


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1 posted on 07/13/2013 3:06:04 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

http://www.LivingInThePhilippines.com


2 posted on 07/13/2013 3:06:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Pope Benedict at St. Paul’s Grotto, Malta
3 posted on 07/13/2013 3:07:10 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

for later read-


4 posted on 07/13/2013 3:09:51 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: NYer

http://rudolphgrotto.org/
I visited here a couple of weeks back to reminisce about the time my Grandmother took my cousin and me when we were in the late single digits of age. It was cool both times.


5 posted on 07/13/2013 3:13:43 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: NYer
Like other Polynesian cultures, Kava is a popular beverage.

I could go for that. Problem with most of these locations is you'd better be satisfied with the NO, because that's going to be the only choice.

Also, regarding the beautiful and wonderfully-climated Mediterranean locations, I am not hot to be in the crossfire of a north Africa-Middle East-southern European war. But if that comes to pass, things much more valuable to the Church than my own life are going to go up in flames.

6 posted on 07/13/2013 3:18:12 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: NYer

As a Catholic, I am not tasked to hide my faith and run while the world is taken over by heathens. Maybe when I’m an old(er) lady.


7 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:01 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: steve86

You can all go to hell - I will go to Texas. Already in voluntary exile.


8 posted on 07/13/2013 3:21:35 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: NYer

So.. “Run Away” is the awesome righteous response?

Ohhhhkay.


9 posted on 07/13/2013 3:23:55 PM PDT by humblegunner (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: steve86

In case you didn’t know, that’s a quote from our very own Davy Crockett.


10 posted on 07/13/2013 3:24:44 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The past isn't dead --- it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

He’s not homegrown he’s from Tennessee. ;)


11 posted on 07/13/2013 3:35:04 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge
Hey! I'm from Tennessee!
12 posted on 07/13/2013 3:40:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The past isn't dead --- it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)
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To: NYer

I don’t recall a call to run away in the Bible anywhere. Aren’t we to sharpen our swords and Fight the Good Fight?


13 posted on 07/13/2013 3:41:35 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

LOL we are both ‘recovering Yankees’.


14 posted on 07/13/2013 3:42:16 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: NYer
The Falklands?

It's where on of the characters in Brave New World agreed to be exiled to, IRRC.

15 posted on 07/13/2013 3:45:57 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: JCBreckenridge
You can all go to hell - I will go to Texas.

A line made famous by none other than David Crockett.

16 posted on 07/13/2013 3:58:11 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: NYer
Malt is certainly a nice place. The people combine the best in Mediterranean and English culture. It is a very pro-family place and religiously tolerant. While ninety five per cent plus of the population are at least nominal Catholics there is an active Evangelical culture in Valetta with Sunday and Wednesday meetings. Aside from being part of the Euro block it is a truly good place with lots of history and beautiful scenery.
17 posted on 07/13/2013 4:03:00 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: NYer

Wallis and Futuma? 15000 people on a rock in the middle of the ocean seems.... Like LOST.


18 posted on 07/13/2013 4:03:58 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: NYer

Malta is very catholic and very enjoyable (though a bit crowded).
If you are a single man and enjoy the company of Catholic, very attractive, charming and pleasant women, you VERY MUCH need to get to Malta.


19 posted on 07/13/2013 4:05:55 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: NYer

I’m surprised that neither Chile nor Philippines get mentioned.


20 posted on 07/13/2013 4:09:20 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: humblegunner; NYer; Mrs. Don-o
So.. “Run Away” is the awesome righteous response?

There will come a time persecution will be so intense that running away is the only life-sustaining response, even if it is just to the next county or under the bridge when the secularist troops come through. That or instant martyrdom.

There really is nowhere to hide in today's world, although some of these locations might offer a temporary respite from the ever more strident attacks on our faith and beliefs.

It is not unreasonable to seek shelter from these demonic attacks. For example, home-schooling kids, or at least picking a more conservative public school system like we do could be seen as "running away". I am aware of no good purpose of exposing children to the anti-Christian vitriol in, say, Massachusetts schools.

For those at a different station in life national exile might well be a sensible choice. Why do I want to be exposed to homosexual propaganda on a daily basis? Why do I want to drive by an abortion clinic on the way to the grocery store? Yes, I tried to get these things changed by voting and some activism. The stress of the activism caused me substantial physical problems and I had to discontinue that. So I'll let you take over that part. Unfortunately, I don't have the resources to follow through on the exile part.

21 posted on 07/13/2013 4:13:54 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: NYer

What about Vatican City? Could you not seek sanctuary there?


22 posted on 07/13/2013 4:16:12 PM PDT by 21st Century Crusader (August 26, 1191)
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To: NYer
As to running away, I think Jesus had entrusted his mother to John for standing firm at the foot of the cross and knowing that he would take his mother away from Jerusalem and spare her persecution and/or death, also John, He had different plans for him than the other apostles. There is no proof that he ever even died. Far fetched but I don't think anybody knows.

It's all about God's will. During WWII the area around Lourdes was safe in the mountains. The Jewish man who wrote Song of Bernadette did so in fulfillment of a promise if God spared him. He spent time around Lourdes, can't remember his name.

I'm not expecting anything that soon. However it made an impression on me maybe to rally around a faithful priest. I don't have a problem with a faithful NO priest, I really don't know that vs. Traditionalist. There have been Catholics who lived on the Eucharist alone but that was before Vatican II. Jesus in that book Alexandrina said he wanted to show the world but it was strange the seizures she'd have at certain times.

I don't believe it's just Catholics but all sincere Christians but that's just me. Naturally they can't participate in Catholic sacraments. The biggest worry is not to be deceived which would take a supernatural gift of discernment. I don't want to lead anybody astray here. Think and pray for yourselves (I know you will anyway).

23 posted on 07/13/2013 4:17:32 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: steve86
There will come a time persecution will be so intense that running away is the only life-sustaining response

What did Jesus say about that?

Refresh my memory, I seem to have forgotten.

Hey, relocating to a superior position is sound tactics.

But what did ol' Jesus say about that? When the conflict is in His name?

24 posted on 07/13/2013 4:20:01 PM PDT by humblegunner (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: 21st Century Crusader

I had a dream about living in the catacombs. But that was a long, long time ago.


25 posted on 07/13/2013 4:21:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: humblegunner

There is a legend that when Peter was trying to flee Rome and his death that he met Jesus carrying his Cross. The two of them then returned to Rome.

And Peter faced his death there.


26 posted on 07/13/2013 4:22:42 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: humblegunner

You’re welcome to meet the UN troops at the front door. I’ll have exited out the back door, to the little chapel I prepared down by the river.


27 posted on 07/13/2013 4:27:56 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86
You’re welcome to meet the UN troops at the front door.

Yep. It's my door on my place and I believe in Jesus.
Oh sure, enough of 'em could take me out, sure enough.

Might cost 'em a bit, but that ain't my problem.

Now.. should it become prudent to operate guerrilla style.. I'm cool with that, but running away in advance of difficulty just doesn't work for me, nor is it backed up by scripture.

And that's all I have to say about that.

28 posted on 07/13/2013 4:46:18 PM PDT by humblegunner (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: NYer

“The main industries in Andorra are banking (thanks to extremely low tax rates), sheep, and tobacco products.”

Tourism in relation to skiing also.


29 posted on 07/13/2013 5:14:17 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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To: NYer

These places are all tiny. How many of them would allow significant, or any, immigration?


30 posted on 07/13/2013 5:37:16 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: JCBreckenridge; Mrs. Don-o

I’m from Tennessee too... and I AM older and I WILL stand my ground!

;-)))))))))


31 posted on 07/13/2013 5:50:00 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NYer

I’m planning on the MS Gulf Coast!


32 posted on 07/13/2013 5:57:58 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NYer

I am not running anywhere any more. US is the last stand; well, maybe Texas.


33 posted on 07/13/2013 6:36:14 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: ottbmare
As a Catholic, I am not tasked to hide my faith and run while the world is taken over by heathens.

Good answer. Glad to see someone posting it.

34 posted on 07/13/2013 7:20:40 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: NYer

“Arise, arise, Riders of Theoden! Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter! spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered, a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!” —Theoden King


35 posted on 07/13/2013 7:33:14 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Lee N. Field

Haven’t you seen the Falklands on the Travel Channel? Cold, isolated, infested with sheep, and veddy, veddy British.


36 posted on 07/14/2013 3:00:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The human project is all about babies! Culture is all about babies!" ~ Cdl. Dolan)
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To: humblegunner
But what did ol' Jesus say about that?

He said, "When you see the Romans coming, flee to the countryside. Don't even stop for your shoes! Remember Lot's wife ... BUG OUT!!!" or words to that effect.

It might be taken to mean, "Get out of New York and fort up in Texas."

37 posted on 07/14/2013 3:03:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The human project is all about babies! Culture is all about babies!" ~ Cdl. Dolan)
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To: Aliska

I remember reading that there are two sites one on Ephesus and also one in Jerusalem where it is said that Mary had lived her last days. Would not surprise me if John took Mary home to Jerusalem before she died. There is a shrine that honors where he tomb was.


38 posted on 07/14/2013 3:13:09 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: NYer

I guess you can sequester yourselves - the rest of Christians will likely stay among society to seek out any souls ripe for saving.


39 posted on 07/14/2013 3:19:52 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

Forth - EORLINGAS!


40 posted on 07/14/2013 4:22:45 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge; Cap'n Crunch

“Now for wrath, and a red sunrise!”


41 posted on 07/14/2013 4:54:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The human project is all about babies! Culture is all about babies!" ~ Cdl. Dolan)
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To: bboop

At times we can.

“When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next.”
-Matthew 10:23

But maybe the days are coming when we’ll have no place to flee to. Then you might survive in a stocked with food underground place.


42 posted on 07/14/2013 5:39:02 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: NYer

I’ve long heard that Malta is wonderful for Catholics. Maybe one would be safe at the Villages in Florida for a while. I think there’s a Catholic community in Arkansas.


43 posted on 07/14/2013 5:40:39 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: ottbmare; Chode

“As a Catholic, I am not tasked to hide my faith and run while the world is taken over by heathens.”

I’m with you


44 posted on 07/14/2013 9:33:01 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: steve86

“For example, home-schooling kids, or at least picking a more conservative public school system like we do could be seen as “running away”. I am aware of no good purpose of exposing children to the anti-Christian vitriol in, say, Massachusetts schools. “

Yea but that’s not “running away” that is “avoiding the near occasion of sin”. At least I would think so.


45 posted on 07/14/2013 9:37:15 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Tax-chick

Yep soddom and gomorrah is one time when you just need to run away from sin and DON’T LOOK BACK!!


46 posted on 07/14/2013 9:40:27 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana
100%
47 posted on 07/14/2013 9:41:56 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Biggirl
two sites one on Ephesus

I was only 17 but will never forget the profound spiritual sense I felt while visiting Ephesus and Mary's "little casa". Didn't seem to affect any of the other kids on the trip but had me gobsmacked (not a perfect application of that term but conveys the intensity).

48 posted on 07/14/2013 9:54:11 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Morgana

I agree,“avoiding the near occasion of sin” in the Catholic sense, “justifiable escape from lunacy” otherwise.


49 posted on 07/14/2013 9:58:16 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Tax-chick
Haven’t you seen the Falklands on the Travel Channel? Cold, isolated, infested with sheep, and veddy, veddy British.

I do remember seeing on Le Tube during the Falklands Crisis during the Reagan era. I doubt it's changed any. Chilly, rocky, isolated. Just the thing for the ascetically inclined.

50 posted on 07/14/2013 10:07:36 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("What is your only comfort, in life and death?" "That I an not my own, but belong, body and soul...")
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