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How the Earth’s Surface Was Shaped
American Clarion ^ | July 14, 2013 | Bob Ellis & Michael Oard

Posted on 07/14/2013 8:28:08 AM PDT by WXRGina

Have you ever wondered how the diverse and wondrous features of our planet came to be the way we see them today? Living in the beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota, I think about that a lot, especially on hikes.

Materialists and evolutionists have their ideas about these things, and they usually involve millions and billions of years of slow change. If you believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old as such people claim (and there is really no solid scientific proof for such assertions), then some of their ideas make a certain sort of sense.

But the Bible makes other claims about how the earth came to be the way we see it today, and it involves a much shorter time frame with much more cataclysm involved during that time. Usually, what we see of our planet fits much better within the Biblical model than it does the evolutionist/materialist ideas.

This episode of Origins examines how the geology and geography of our planet was formed, according to what we know of history from the Bible. Having traveled a lot over not only the Black Hills but Wyoming and Montana, I’ve seen a number of the things scientist Michael Oard discusses here.

If you’re like me 15 years ago, what you see here will likely challenge many of your long-held assumptions about many aspects of science and history. But if you are committed to the Socratic principle of “follow the evidence wherever it leads” as I have been, you may just find that you’ve been sold a bill of goods by media and academia that is only guesswork mislabeled as “science.”

From the video description:

A variety of evidences for the receding of the Floodwater off the continents will be provided. Geological evidence is first presented for differential vertical tectonics to drain the Floodwater. As the Floodwater first drains as wide currents, great erosion occurs with the formation of planation surfaces and the long transport of resistant rocks. As more and more land is exposed above the Floodwater, the water becomes more channelized forming another set of unique landforms. Water and wind gaps, pediments, and submarine canyons will be described. All these features are very difficult, if not impossible, to explain by the uniformitarian paradigm, providing strong evidence for the reality of the Genesis Flood.

Michael Oard became interested in creationism after reading Whitcomb and Morris’s The Genesis Flood in the early 1970s. Having a focus on research, his interest grew to the point that he asked himself what he could contribute. That is when the idea of an Ice Age model started. The first paper on the Ice Age was published in 1979 in the Creation Research Society Quarterly. Since then dozens of articles and about six books have been published on the Ice Age. Research on the Ice Age ignited an interest in glaciology, geology and geophysics, which he has been ardently studying for over 35 years.

Michael has a B.S. and M.S. degree in atmospheric science from the University of Washington. He was a research meteorologist for 6 years at the University of Washington. In 2001, he retired as a lead forecaster with the National Weather Service in Great Falls, Montana. Since then he has been doing full time research in creationist earth science. Over the years, he has learned to speak to lay adults and children on a variety of subjects in the earth sciences.

Michael has published eight papers or technical monographs in the secular technical literature of the American Meteorological Association and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association. Since becoming a creationist, he has published about 200 articles in the creationist technical literature and has authored, coauthored, or been editor of fourteen published creationist books for different ages on the Flood, the Ice Age, weather, geology, and National park guides. He is on the board of the Creation Research Society.

Video presentation: Shaping Earth's Surface, Part 2--Origins with Michael Oard


TOPICS: Apologetics; History
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; notasciencetopic; teearohellell

1 posted on 07/14/2013 8:28:08 AM PDT by WXRGina
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To: WXRGina

A global flood would change the earth in every way. Pushing down the thin crust in areas and laying down sediments as well as the atmosphere clearing.


2 posted on 07/14/2013 9:03:47 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: SunkenCiv

/mark


3 posted on 07/14/2013 9:07:16 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: count-your-change

Yes, indeed.

A global flood certainly explains the appearance of the earth’s surface.


4 posted on 07/14/2013 9:15:11 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

And some people wonder how conservatives have a reputation for being ignorant.


5 posted on 07/14/2013 9:17:40 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: count-your-change

All of the water in the atmosphere would equal about 1 inch (2.54 cm) of all of the world’s oceans’ depth.

The Earth’s atmosphere does not contain a large amount of water. Its estimated volume of water is about 3,100 cubic miles (12,900 cubic kilometers), which is roughly just 0.001% of all of the water on Earth. In fact, if all of the water in the atmosphere was released at one time, it would equal only about 1 inch (2.54 cm) of the world’s oceans’ depth. The atmosphere’s function with water is more transportation rather than storage. As water evaporates, it converts to vapor, which then moves into the atmosphere. Once there, the vapor condenses into clouds, which then release the water as precipitation to get back to the Earth’s surface.


6 posted on 07/14/2013 9:28:36 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: WXRGina

Having lived in rural western IL all of my 59 years, I’ve seen what just a 6 inch downpour can do to the surface, moving tons of soil downhill, eventually to the ‘ol muddy Mississippi.

Twelve years of OTR truck driving has let me see the same results around the country. Twice, while vacationing, I’ve marveled at the sight of all those boulders washed down the mountainside from the 1982 Lawn Lake Dam failure near Estes Park.

And these days, the extreme example of the power of water, is the precision cutting of steel with waterjets.

I believe the Flood really happened.


7 posted on 07/14/2013 9:35:03 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

“All of the water in the atmosphere would equal about 1 inch (2.54 cm) of all of the world’s oceans’ depth.”

You know this to be the case throughout earth’s history? If so, how?


8 posted on 07/14/2013 9:37:01 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Zuriel

Yes, there is plenty of evidence for a global flood for those with eyes to see what is obvious to those of us with the Spirit of the Lord to help us see.

Water is an amazingly powerful force.


9 posted on 07/14/2013 9:55:03 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina
Looks like the words of an anti-science Global Warming Denier. Stone him!

 

/s

10 posted on 07/14/2013 10:54:27 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: WXRGina

None of this takes into account that the heavier elements on earth and the solar system would have taken two or three earlier generations of stars to produce. And it would have taken them a heck of long time to burn.

Any better theory?


11 posted on 07/14/2013 11:37:34 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: WXRGina

But not the stratification of the fossil record


12 posted on 07/14/2013 11:38:42 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound
All of the water in the atmosphere would equal about 1 inch (2.54 cm) of all of the world’s oceans’ depth.

Except that not all the waters of the flood came from the atmosphere

Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

14 posted on 07/14/2013 12:12:09 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

Oh, you should watch the video. Heresy! :-)


15 posted on 07/14/2013 12:25:27 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound
A] "The Earth’s atmosphere 'does not' contain a large amount of water......"

B] "Does not" is the same as "did not"..... c] THEREFORE the earth did not contain large volumes of water at any time in the past.

16 posted on 07/14/2013 12:36:46 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: WXRGina

In what way?

IMHO, a fifteen-billion year old universe, and a ~5 billion year old solar system and Earth comports very well with The Bible. What’s not to like?


18 posted on 07/14/2013 12:53:52 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

It does not comport with the Bible. The account in Genesis 1 is clear and is not a metaphor. “... the evening and the morning were the first day...” It speaks of a literal seven-day week. God is true, even if every man a liar.


19 posted on 07/14/2013 1:23:47 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

Water running, freezing and thawing, wind blowing, volcanism and movements of the Earth’s crust. All set in motion by God.


20 posted on 07/14/2013 1:45:21 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Yep! God’s creation is awesome.


21 posted on 07/14/2013 2:04:29 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: logitech

Young Earth PING!


22 posted on 07/14/2013 6:39:39 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: KoRn

No thanks.


23 posted on 07/14/2013 7:49:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
No thanks.

Yeah. Lots of people hate the truth.

24 posted on 07/14/2013 8:35:23 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“No thanks.

Why not?

Do you know something that rest of us don’t?


25 posted on 07/14/2013 8:37:16 PM PDT by logitech (It is time.)
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To: WXRGina

That does not comport with general relativity, which God also wrought. And what about the heavy elements, as I first mentioned in #11. One theory should be replaced with another. What’s yours?

And how come they removed your #17? It seemed alright to me?


26 posted on 07/15/2013 5:58:45 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

You gotta love the selective censorship here. They leave the comment calling those of us who believe God’s account of creation “ignorant,” but they delete my perfectly true statement about Judgment Day.

God made the universe and all that is in it, including the heavy metals. If there is a “theory” of man that contradicts what God tells us, then the theory is flawed. For instance, as you may know, radiometric dating methods have been shown to be wildly inaccurate (see links in the column above).


27 posted on 07/15/2013 6:36:39 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

Post 13 was removed for potty language which is not allowed on the RF, and 17 involved a cut-and-paste from 13. Please feel free to repost without such.


28 posted on 07/15/2013 6:48:17 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Oh, I see.


29 posted on 07/15/2013 6:52:22 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

The heavy metals were fused inside stars that “burned” two or three generations before the Sun even came about. The “old universe theory” is more revealing of God to me in that everything has purpose and can be related to everything else.

You might enjoy Gerald Schroeder’s “The Science Of God” wherein he posits a creation scenario which, utilizing general relativity, actually makes six days and 15 billion years seem plausible together.

All God’s goodness to You and Yours....


30 posted on 07/15/2013 7:17:50 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

No one can possibly prove that theory about the stars and sun, but it contradicts what God tells us in Genesis 1. Thanks for your recommendation.


31 posted on 07/15/2013 7:49:43 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

Theories are not ironclad. If there’s a better one scientists, generally, are all ears. But until there’s a better one....

Seems like you’re wedded to the “celestial butler” concept. I would rather a conception of the universe “make sense” in that, again IMHO, God, what’s gravity?

Now there’s a question.


32 posted on 07/15/2013 8:04:59 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: WXRGina

And I disagree that it can’t be proven. The Japanese at Hiroshima and Nagasaki had it demonstrated pretty well for them.


33 posted on 07/15/2013 8:07:10 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

What doesn’t make sense about God’s account of how He created the universe in seven days? A Being that is behind all we see is certainly able to do that.


34 posted on 07/15/2013 8:35:58 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

Because it makes more sense for God to have common sense.

How could we continue lighting our cities without some general knowledge of quantum theory? Which opens up quantum electrodynamics and even quantum chromodynamics, both very well tested and at least fundamentally understood.

Why would God have made the universe this way?

As I sort’a indicated, I believe in the Old Testament very deeply. As for the New, I trust in it enough to realize that the United States could not have been founded without it.

Those views are fundamental - or, at least to me, what I can perceive as fundamental.


35 posted on 07/15/2013 10:30:40 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Perhaps I’m missing something obvious, but I don’t see what you’re saying. Are you saying God’s account in Genesis 1 is not how it happened?


36 posted on 07/15/2013 11:43:23 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina
Certainly it's how it happened. I'm just looking at the First Day in terms of density, when everything in the universe was condensed in say, from the volume of a basketball to perhaps a Betelgeuse type star or larger. As the universe expands and the density decreases, galaxy formation takes place, and thus the stellar cycles which eventually give rise to our Sun, and the planets.

Somehow (God!) life began on Earth when it was still very young, continually baffling scientists, though nonetheless, eventually giving rise to all of us. (The evoluted parts are yet very sketchy.) Though I remain convinced that's pretty much the basic outline.

"In the Beginning, God...."

37 posted on 07/15/2013 1:10:30 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Okay, thanks.


38 posted on 07/15/2013 3:39:28 PM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina
including the heavy metals.


39 posted on 07/16/2013 5:39:41 AM PDT by humblegunner (Creepy Ass Cracker)
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To: humblegunner

HAHAHAHA!!! Very important elements!


40 posted on 07/16/2013 6:19:15 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: humblegunner

PS: perfect tagline, HG.


41 posted on 07/16/2013 6:19:51 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Moonman62; Sen Jack S. Fogbound; onedoug; BlatherNaut

I just reencountered this somewhat recent oldie in the keyword list (bogus inclusion), and wanted to thank you.


42 posted on 08/10/2013 2:19:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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