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Cut your time in purgatory by following pope on Twitter
C/Net ^ | 16 July 2013

Posted on 07/17/2013 8:05:06 AM PDT by Gamecock

If you're Christian, you might believe the keys to salvation are faith and good works. But a little Twitter might help get you to the Pearly Gates too.

You can now reduce the time your everlasting soul has to spend in purgatory by following tweets from Pope Francis and Catholic World Youth Day, an event held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, that the pontiff will attend later this month.

The policy is a form of indulgence, a centuries-old tradition in the Catholic Church in which the temporal punishment for absolved sins is relieved. Since it's a plenary indulgence, a believer gets total remission of sins and relief from penitence.

But that doesn't mean you just click on "follow" and sin at will, according to the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.

"Get it out of your heads straight away that this is in any way mechanical, that you just need to click on the Internet in a few days' time to get a plenary indulgence," the daily quoted Claudio Maria Celli, president of the Pontifical Council for Social Communications, as saying.

"What really matters is that the pope's tweets from Brazil, or the photos of World Youth Day that will be posted on Pinterest, should bear authentic spiritual fruit in the hearts of each one of us."

"Then even a youngster who is a very long way from Brazil and feels involved by a video, a simple text message, or an e-mail will be truly taking part in the World Youth Day and will receive the gift of the indulgence."

The report quotes a Catholic decree concerning World Youth Day that says the faithful "can obtain the plenary indulgence...by the new means of social communication."

It went on to quote Paolo Padrini, a Catholic scholar known as the "iPriest" for always being online.

"Imagine your computer is a well-laden table where you can find tweets from Pope Francis, videos on YouTube, clips on Corriere.it, and Facebook postings from your friend in Brazil. That is the dinner that will nourish your spirit.

"Sharing, acting in unison, despite the obstacle of distance. But it will still be real participation and that is why you will obtain the indulgence. Above all because your click will have come from the heart."


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1 posted on 07/17/2013 8:05:06 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Alex Murphy; metmom

That’s good to know!


2 posted on 07/17/2013 8:05:34 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Gamecock

Some of the most vile tweets on twitter are posted in response to the pope’s tweets. It’s a “honeypot” for the deranged.


3 posted on 07/17/2013 8:09:32 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Gamecock

I believe the church used to sell pre-emptive indulgences.

Say I saw a young girl in my neighborhood I thought was really hot. I could pay the church to grant me forgiveness for the rape I was ABOUT TO commit.

Kinda makes one want to be rich...


4 posted on 07/17/2013 8:11:21 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Gamecock

I really like Pope Francis’s “sermons” (or whatever our Catholic brethren call them). I follow him somewhat here and on the web simply because I like the way he preaches.

However, my Bible doesn’t say anything about “indulgences”. Or “purgatory”. Those are fabrications of men. Harmless perhaps, but definitely not binding on me!


5 posted on 07/17/2013 8:11:59 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: smokingfrog

It’s a “honeypot” for the deranged.


It is also a honeypot for the biblically informed. Though their tweets should not be vile.


6 posted on 07/17/2013 8:12:22 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

>> I believe the church used to sell pre-emptive indulgences.

Martin Luther had some issues with those...


7 posted on 07/17/2013 8:12:50 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Does your bible say Mary was perfect? Does it say she died a virgin?

You may disagree with the pope on those as well.


8 posted on 07/17/2013 8:17:31 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Martin Luther had some issues with those...


He’s fortunate nobody got a pre-emtive indulgence for killing him. Must have been really expensive.


9 posted on 07/17/2013 8:18:23 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

>> You may disagree with the pope on those as well.

Matter of fact!

I also never read anywhere in there that I should pray to her, so I don’t.


10 posted on 07/17/2013 8:20:09 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Gamecock

Utter heresy and depravity.


11 posted on 07/17/2013 8:21:09 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: cuban leaf

Not true today.


12 posted on 07/17/2013 8:21:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cuban leaf
I could pay the church to grant me forgiveness for the rape I was ABOUT TO commit.

To gain a plenary indulgence you must be in the state of grace and have the interior disposition of complete detachment from sin, even venial sin.

Rape being a mortal sin, your little thought experiment here won't merit you anything but Hell.

Nice try though!

13 posted on 07/17/2013 8:26:16 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Gamecock

It’s stuff like this that causes my Protestant friends to believe that I belong to some weird, creepy cult.

From Twitter? Seriously??


14 posted on 07/17/2013 8:26:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cuban leaf
Cuban leaf, you are in error. First, indulgences do not involve the forgiveness of sin --- indeed they have nothing to do with unconfessed, unrepented sin.

And you sure can't repent a sin in advance. :o|

15 posted on 07/17/2013 8:33:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Double-plus-meh.)
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To: Gamecock
Sooo, will any of these indulgences be accepted at Judgement City ...?
16 posted on 07/17/2013 8:33:40 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Dr. Thorne; Gamecock
"Utter heresy and depravity."

He just forgot the \s tag. I can see his grin from here.

17 posted on 07/17/2013 8:34:26 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And you sure can’t repent a sin in advance. :o|

Well, you can’t NOW. ;-)

Things were interesting a dozen or so centuries ago.


18 posted on 07/17/2013 8:37:22 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Salvation

ot true today.


Yeah. That is old stuff. Kinda like the Mormons didn’t allow black into the church at first since their skin color “is the mark Gode gave Cane for murdering his brother”.


19 posted on 07/17/2013 8:38:42 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
Say I ...

Don't know that an indulgence is not a permission to commit sin, nor a pardon of future sin.

20 posted on 07/17/2013 8:38:49 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Gamecock

Totally ridiculous.


21 posted on 07/17/2013 8:39:48 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: Gamecock

I’ll just read Hebrews 10:10 and know I’ll take the direct route to heaven, thanks. But glad to see the Pope on Twitter.


22 posted on 07/17/2013 8:40:52 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Claud

Rape being a mortal sin, your little thought experiment here won’t merit you anything but Hell.


What if I ask for forgiveness after the fact?


23 posted on 07/17/2013 8:41:08 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: D-fendr

Don’t know that an indulgence is not a permission to commit sin, nor a pardon of future sin.


I confess that I’m not sure the word indulgence is the word I’m looking for. The practice may have been called something else. It was real, however, long ago in the catholic church.


24 posted on 07/17/2013 8:42:19 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Gamecock

What about those of us that are not Twits?


25 posted on 07/17/2013 8:46:46 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: cuban leaf

Bilge.


26 posted on 07/17/2013 8:47:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Aye, ye better agree or ye be walkin' the plank, ye pustulant, pox-ridden flounder!")
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To: Nervous Tick
If you're Christian, you might believe the keys to salvation are faith and good works.

My problem starts with this first sentence. We are saved by grace, through faith, for works. Works are NOT a key to salvation. Works are the fruits of salvation. Our works do not earn us salvation.

27 posted on 07/17/2013 8:50:00 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: cuban leaf
What if I ask for forgiveness after the fact?

You have a Bible, you tell me. Did the Son of Man have the power on earth to forgive sins? Did the Son of Man grant the power to his Apostles to forgive or to retain sins?

28 posted on 07/17/2013 8:50:04 AM PDT by Claud
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To: al_c

I guess we’ll just burn.


29 posted on 07/17/2013 8:51:23 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Claud

Well, we are clearly on the same page there. :-)


30 posted on 07/17/2013 9:02:38 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
I believe the church used to sell pre-emptive indulgences.

Wrong. Never happened.

31 posted on 07/17/2013 9:04:51 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Nervous Tick; Gamecock
However, my Bible doesn’t say anything about “indulgences”.

Answer me this. Has Christ made satisfactory atonement for every single sin ever committed, past, present, and future?

32 posted on 07/17/2013 9:08:08 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Gamecock

33 posted on 07/17/2013 9:10:03 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper
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To: Claud

Yes.


34 posted on 07/17/2013 9:11:19 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Gamecock

Is Christ’s atonement an infinite, inexhaustible treasury of grace upon which the faithful can draw with absolutely no limit?


35 posted on 07/17/2013 9:17:08 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Tao Yin

I think it results in a more accurate an comprehensive understanding to not try to separate the two, faith and works. When we do we get into an either/or that doesn’t exist in reality.


36 posted on 07/17/2013 9:17:59 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Campion

Wrong. Never happened.


Looks like opinions vary.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120921180933AAegzkz
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_the_Roman_Catholic_Church_sell_indulgences


37 posted on 07/17/2013 9:19:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Gamecock

“You can now reduce the time your everlasting soul has to spend in purgatory by following tweets from Pope Francis and Catholic World Youth Day, an event held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, that the pontiff will attend later this month.”

This sort of Roman/Pagan nonsense is why I am a Christian, not a Catholic.

G-d’s Grace is not something any priest can give you.


38 posted on 07/17/2013 9:21:54 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: D-fendr

Faith is something we are given. Works is something we do. Of course they are separate.


39 posted on 07/17/2013 9:21:57 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: Tao Yin

Does one exist without the other?


40 posted on 07/17/2013 9:27:22 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Wuli
G-d’s Grace is not something any priest can give you.

When I take my kids to Mass on Sunday, I always give them the money to put in the collection basket. Did they "give" the money? Yes. But where did the money actually come from? Me.

A priest can absolutely give grace. But where does the grace actually always come from? God. The priest is a *conduit* of grace, not the *source* of grace.

Remember when the Apostles were wandering around doing miracles, breaking bread, healing people, offering sacraments, forgiving sins? Did anyone say to them they couldn't dispense God's Grace?

41 posted on 07/17/2013 9:32:35 AM PDT by Claud
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To: D-fendr; Tao Yin
Does one [faith, works] exist without the other?

Splitting hairs for a moment: We are saved after we first exhibit faith. But are we saved before or after we begin working?

42 posted on 07/17/2013 9:41:43 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: cuban leaf

Do you want to talk about opinions, or facts? Opinions are all over the place. The facts don’t vary, and don’t support your accusation. Your first link doesn’t support it, either. Your second is flatly wrong.


43 posted on 07/17/2013 10:01:00 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: cuban leaf
The practice may have been called something else. It was real, however, long ago in the catholic church.

Stubbornly clinging to a calumnious falsehood is not a Christian virtue.

44 posted on 07/17/2013 10:02:37 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

Do you want to talk about opinions, or facts? Opinions are all over the place. The facts don’t vary, and don’t support your accusation. Your first link doesn’t support it, either. Your second is flatly wrong.


Since nobody alive at the time is alive today, I suppose it depends on which sources of information to which you personally apply the most veracity. And that is a complicated formula, easily swayed by bias.

I’m not saying either one of us is right or wrong. However, just as with the martin/zimerman case, one can look at the history of both characters/sides and make a determination of veracity of testimony and probable truth based on that information.


45 posted on 07/17/2013 10:16:03 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Gamecock

“The report quotes a Catholic decree concerning World Youth Day that says the faithful “can obtain the plenary indulgence...by the new means of social communication.””

This cant be for real. Perhaps a loose cannon said this and doesn’t represent RCC ... Or some editor captured the quotes incorrectly? I am not buying it. RCC has enough problems without people like this opening it up to ridicule.


46 posted on 07/17/2013 10:16:17 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Campion

Stubbornly clinging to a calumnious falsehood is not a Christian virtue.


I strongly agree.


47 posted on 07/17/2013 10:16:35 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Gamecock

If I thought I needed it, I’d bite.

However, since I am the righteousness of God in Christ, having been born again by grace through faith in Christ, I’ll pass.

My place in heaven is secure.


48 posted on 07/17/2013 10:28:31 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; All
If I thought I needed it, I’d bite. However, since I am the righteousness of God in Christ, having been born again by grace through faith in Christ, I’ll pass.

Let me try to explain this to folks who may have only heard about indulgences in the context of Luther and the Reformation.

When you break someone's window, there are two things you need to do. 1) Apologize and seek forgiveness. 2) Fix the window.

The fact that you are forgiven does not change the fact that the window is still broken. In fact, if you just sit there and fold your hands and refuse to pay for the window--or at least make it up to the person somehow--I am forced to conclude that you may not have been very sorry in the first place. If you weren't sorry, then maybe you weren't really forgiven after all.

What an indulgence does is allow a person to make amends for the sin that is already forgiven. I commit a sin. The window is broken. The first thing I do is immediately seek God's forgiveness personally and sacramentally. He gives it because He always does.

Meanwhile *the window is still broken*. Now maybe I don't know how to fix the window. But I offer to God some little but sincere action to show that I am, indeed, truly sorry. That action can be a charitable work, a prayer, spiritual reading, a giving of alms (here's where money sometimes comes in), or participation in some holy action (like a pilgrimage, procession, etc.).

Indulgences acknowledge that Christ paid not only the debt for our sins, but also all the punishment we are due them. His atonement is an absolutely inexhaustible treasury that the faithful can draw upon whenever they need it.

How does that withdrawal work? Well, let's suppose that you are a kid and don't have any money to fix the window. I am your dad. I say "Don't worry, I know you are sorry, and I will pay all the $200 to fix the window". I let you completely off the hook.

BUT then you, of your own volition, go and empty the entire $13.26 that you were saving in your piggy bank and bring it to me. "Here dad, I know it isn't close, but I just wanted to thank you, and to make up for what I did in my own little way."

That, folks, is a little act of great love. And that is the doctrine of indulgences in a nutshell.

49 posted on 07/17/2013 11:12:24 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Gamecock


50 posted on 07/17/2013 11:52:49 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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