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Pope Francis ‘Will Disappoint Conservatives and Progressives,’ Says Cardinal Kasper
The Catholic Herald ^ | 7/18/13 | Carol Glatz

Posted on 07/18/2013 7:00:51 PM PDT by marshmallow

Both ‘conservative’ and ‘progressive’ Catholics will be disappointed in Pope Francis’ programme of spiritual renewal, doctrinal continuity and emphasis on the poor, a top German cardinal said.

In an interview with the Italian newspaper, Il Foglio, Cardinal Walter Kasper, a theologian and retired president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, said: “Many people are enthusiastic about (Pope Francis). He is a true pastor, he has great charm, a direct approach with people.”

But he added that “many will be disappointed in Francis”, claiming that the “conservative” branch of the Church already feels let down “because he doesn’t have the intellectual heft of Benedict and then because he abolished the pontifical court – something I am grateful for; it was an anachronistic extravagance.”

The cardinal predicted the “progressive” wing would not be happy either because even though the Pope has ushered in a change in style, “he will not change the content.”

“There is continuity in the doctrine between him and Benedict,” he said. Pope Francis “will not change anything with priestly celibacy, will not open ordinations to women” or promote other “progressive” issues that are not part of Church teaching.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholicherald.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: germany; popefrancis; romancatholicism; walterkasper

1 posted on 07/18/2013 7:00:51 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

I wouldn’t expect him to appease either side.


2 posted on 07/18/2013 7:05:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: narses

Ping!


3 posted on 07/18/2013 7:08:11 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: marshmallow

Good. he’s already disappointing the resident snake handler street corner theologians, expecting him to join them in condemning the Church to Hell. As he should.


4 posted on 07/18/2013 7:08:27 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: marshmallow

Nice Cardinal. Predicts no one will like the Pope. He’s already the Pope, elected by this guys fellow Cardinals, let’s judge him on his actions, not some Cardinal that wanted to give a negative interview.


5 posted on 07/18/2013 7:11:01 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t think any member of the clergy (Jewish, Catholic, or Protestant-—I don’t really care about the Suicide Bomber Cult) should make any attempt whatsoever to appeal to the progressivik pigs. They take positions that are clearly anti-God.


6 posted on 07/18/2013 7:13:03 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: marshmallow

Pope Francis has already had a measurable positive effect on the individual Parishes.

When Pope Benedict abruptly resigned is was quite troubling and the uncertainty of who his replacement would be only added to it. Our Church had masses twice a day for eight days leading up to the vote.

I don’t know anyone who is unhappy with the Pontiff.


7 posted on 07/18/2013 7:18:48 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: marshmallow
Where does he stand with regard to the Liturgy? I recognize and embrace our obligation to the poor - the Obama disciples are doing their worst to divest us of that obligation in the name of the State.

Please indulge me regarding my concern - even obsession - with the Form of our Liturgy. In the deep recesses of the early 1950's my character was formed by tripartite oath-bound sisters and cassocked Latin-speaking priests.

Just my $.02 - I'm real tired of ersatz liturgies and CINO's - will this Pope bring us back?





"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

8 posted on 07/18/2013 7:27:26 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa; NYer; Salvation; Tax-chick; ArrogantBustard; MarkBsnr

Nyer/salvation/tax-chick/arrogantbustard/Mark may be able to answer your question Conor


9 posted on 07/18/2013 7:48:21 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos
Thanks very much, Cronos!





"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

10 posted on 07/18/2013 7:51:57 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: marshmallow

It’s his special sympathy for Muslims that really bothers me, particularly the illegal alien ones in Italy.


11 posted on 07/18/2013 7:54:18 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: marshmallow

There are no “progressives”, at least not on the left! They keep returning to the failed policies of the past.

BTW, Thank You Rush for (once again) making something I have been saying for years mainstream!


12 posted on 07/18/2013 8:09:16 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: marshmallow
because he abolished the pontifical court – something I am grateful for; it was an anachronistic extravagance

I think Paul VI can claim credit for that.

13 posted on 07/18/2013 8:16:55 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: montag813

That would be some of the poor people he hangs with.


14 posted on 07/18/2013 8:27:00 PM PDT by Thebaddog (I'm a cracker! Sucka.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Don’t expect improvement of liturgies under this pope, but you may see it under certain bishops.

BXVI helped ameliorate the problem. JPII was more interested in evangelization. Francis is all about love for the poor.

Straightening out the mess is a long-term project. It will take generations to repair.


15 posted on 07/18/2013 8:40:05 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (- : Tagline for rent ; -)
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To: marshmallow

Sounds like a libertarian :-)


16 posted on 07/18/2013 9:55:47 PM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: marshmallow

I hope the Devil is the most disappointed.


17 posted on 07/18/2013 10:13:14 PM PDT by married21
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To: ConorMacNessa; Jeff Chandler

I think liturgy is driven at the Diocesan level more than by the Pope. I agree with Jeff Chandler that it doesn’t seem to be an emphasis for Pope Francis. However, he’s been Pope only a few months. He couldn’t have done everything everyone wants in that time period, even if he wanted to!

Here in my little Latin American liturgical backwater, the hermanas charismaticas are taking up lace mantillas; make of that what you will. One of the dear ladies looks just like the Queen of Spain.


18 posted on 07/19/2013 2:16:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No pun intended, no punishment ... If I offended you, you needed it.)
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To: montag813

He has thus far made two public utterances I found mushy or ecumenical
The good works talk and the Ramadan polemic

He is no JP or Benedict I fear


19 posted on 07/19/2013 2:35:13 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: marshmallow
This is a no-brainer from Cdl. Kaspar (who might want to just hush if he doesn't have anything more thoughtful to say). Everyone wants the Pope (or the President) to do exactly what "I" would do if I were elected. Therefore, everyone will be "disappointed."
20 posted on 07/19/2013 2:41:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No pun intended, no punishment ... If I offended you, you needed it.)
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To: marshmallow

There was a posting I read some time ago, that Blessed John Paul II taught what the faith is, Benedict XVI taught what the faith teaches, and now Pope Francis teaches how it is to be lived.


21 posted on 07/19/2013 3:14:11 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: All

That reflection comes from one who is trying to have her first cup of coffee this morning.


22 posted on 07/19/2013 3:16:23 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow

Yesterday my parish priest blessed 3 young persons who are heading to Rio for World Youth Day yesterday. It took place right after daily mass.


23 posted on 07/19/2013 3:17:52 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

I hope they have a wonderful time!


24 posted on 07/19/2013 4:05:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No pun intended, no punishment ... If I offended you, you needed it.)
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To: Tax-chick

Thank-you! I do hope so too!


25 posted on 07/19/2013 4:31:49 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

I always think unhappily about the “facilities” at very large events such as this!


26 posted on 07/19/2013 4:39:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No pun intended, no punishment ... If I offended you, you needed it.)
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To: marshmallow

I’d rather hear Cardinal Kasper speak more on the intentional confusion in the Vatican II documents.


27 posted on 07/19/2013 5:53:18 AM PDT by piusv
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To: MacMattico
Nice Cardinal. Predicts no one will like the Pope.

I didn't read it that way. I read it as both sides will find something in his decisions that run counter to their own philosophies.

28 posted on 07/20/2013 11:08:13 PM PDT by SuziQ
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