Skip to comments.PRIEST WHO CONVERTED FROM EPISCOPAL CHURCH RELATES NUMEROUS EXPERIENCES WITH SOULS FROM PURGATORY
Posted on 07/19/2013 5:39:12 AM PDT by fatima
For Father Lorig, going strong at 77 and full of the Spirit, it's a matter of seeing some of it with his own eyes.
On about a dozen occasions, says the priest, he has personally encountered spirits of the dead, including at bedside during the night, and has been led to pray their souls toward Jesus.
Father Lorig, who was ordained a Catholic priest in 1984, and who is married with four children (and fifteen grandchildren), had some special experiences while at Saint Andrew's Episcopal Church in Nogales (near the Mexican border).
"It was built over an Indian graveyard -- paleo-Indians who were peaceful," says Father Lorig, pastor of Saint Maria Goretti parish (he is not associated with previous claims at this church of the supernatural).
"While we were digging a sacrarium -- a dry well [for proper disposal of Communion wine] -- the workmen came upon hand-made pots. We called the University of Arizona, which had paleontologists, and they came down.
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If you think you’re going to convert many protestants with stories of a clergyman delving into spiritualism and necromancy, I think you’re going to be disappointed.
Beautiful story. Thank you for posting it. I pray for the souls in purgatory every night.
Not my understanding of purgatory. It is not half way between heaven and hell, nor a place that gives the unsaved a second chance. Rather a place where only the saved go. The anti room to heaven where the bride is prepared for the wedding. Now I am Lutheran and thus not an expert on this Catholic doctrine. Catholics can you help out here?
Spiritualism is conjuring up the dead. He didn’t do that. Necromancy is using the spirits of the dead to tell fortunes. He didn’t do that, either. At least get your definitions straight.
There’s no need to be a stickler for definitions, because the Bible forbids ALL occult activity involving any type of communion with the dead. Doesn’t matter whether you conjured them up, or they showed up of their own accord, you aren’t supposed to sit down and have tea with them, if you are a Christian.
You’re probably right about a lot of those celebrities. “Ghost hunter” shows are scripted dramas, like most reality shows, so actors faking it is no different than the amateurs faking it. Heck, the actors can probably make it more convincing.
Anyway, its easy to know they are either faking it or deluded, since there are no ghosts just wandering around the planet, because God doesn’t allow them “shore leave”. If someone thinks they saw one, it’s either a figment of their imagination, or a demon is trying to seduce them.
I have a little book that has prayers for everyday of the week.
Purgatory, isn’t that a town in the Wild West? Other than that, it does not exist in the Bible.
:)It is so phony it’s laughable.I was thinking the same thing you wrote.
Why don’t you non-Catholics realize that these souls are alive. The body dies, but the soul lives. The body will be united with the soul at the Final Judgment??
Please educate yourself about this — and pray for those who have died.
It seems to me that you have summarized the doctrine accurately. From Purgatory, there is no going to Hell, only - certainly - to heaven. From Hell, there is no going to Purgatory or Heaven. C.S. Lewis rather confused it in “The Great Divorce,” iirc.
Another source: A book, “Get us out of here! by Maria Simma.
I read”Daily Pilgrimage to Purgatory”
I found it online:)
Holy Souls in Purgatory, is there anything you regret when you think of your life on earth? I deeply regret my neglect of acts of mortification. How easy they would have been on earth, but how difficult they are now in Purgatory. Here the smallest suffering is more poignant than the most cruel torments on earth. In the world it meant only patience and resignation in the hardships and adversities of my life; it meant only giving from my surplus to the poor, and devoting myself to works of atonement; it meant only gaining indulgences and performing works of piety. Nothing could have been easier, and my Purgatory would have been shortened considerably. If God would but grant me the grace to exchange the years during which I must still remain in this place of sorrow for as many years of life on earth! No commands would be too severe for me; no pains could frighten me; the most difficult works of penance would be sweet and give me comfort at the thought of this consuming fire. You who now smart under the insignificant trials and hardships of this life! You who now earn your daily bread by the sweat of your brow, rejoice! The smallest suffering endured in the spirit of atonement and offered to the Sacred Heart in the spirit of expiation, will save you from a long and painful Purgatory.
“Why dont you non-Catholics realize that these souls are alive. The body dies, but the soul lives. The body will be united with the soul at the Final Judgment??”
Of course we realize that. It’s just not relevant. We are still forbidden from communing with the dead (meaning those who have physically died), whether or not their souls live on somewhere. Anyone trying to communicate with them is sinning very seriously, no matter what the man-made dogma of your church says.
Much goes to interpretation. The Sonora desert was the stomping ground for all kinds of paranormal activity going back perhaps several thousand years.
The use of words like sorcery, witchcraft, and things like that are incorrect, but are the only words Europeans, Asians and Africans have to describe them. It could best be said that there was a complex, but non-technological civilization, in which “practitioners” of the paranormal were specialized professionals, much as are lawyers, doctors, plumbers, soldiers, etc., are today.
When people from primitive cultures are introduced to technology for the first time, to them it is obviously “magical”. Things like a toilet or light bulb are, to them, witchcraft.
So the proper way for us, technological people, to approach such a non-technological society is to assume they understood “the logic of the toilet”, so to them it was not particularly magical. But we don’t, so to us it is witchcraft.
I use this as background to make two points. The first being that these people were just as belligerent as people are today, so wandering around where they used to live is much like a primitive person wandering around an abandoned US army post, with all of its equipment and weapons still there, but not having a clue what any of it is or does.
Yes, it may look like an interesting rock, but it could be as dangerous as a piece of plastic explosive. In either case you have no idea of its real nature.
The other point is that what eventually destroyed this non-technological society were other Indians, just as ignorant as we are today of such things. Utter blindness to such things conferred something of an immunity to them, unlike technology.
But if you mess around with such things, you are asking for trouble. You might try to define them by the rules you know, but they are under no obligation to follow those rules, any more than giving an incantation prior to firing a gun makes it fire its bullets differently.
Only vestiges of that knowledge still exist today, and are considerably corrupted from their ancient form, but the artifacts themselves still represent a risk.
This is scary stuff, I am surprised at how so many good people are deceived, it’s very disheartening. I will continue to pray though... For the living, those that can still be saved.
The NT writers quoted non-Biblical and even pagan sources, so a simple reference establishes nothing as regards canonicity or inspiration.
Your definitions are wrong. It’s not simply fortune telling etc, talking to the dead in any way shape or form is anti biblical. We are told not to do this.
I agree,never want to see anything.
Yes, the soul lives, in heaven or hell. You also get a new body, the old is gone. There’s so much about catholic doctrine that is no where in scripture, that one can only come to one conclusion. Like any other world religion, they need the redemption of the blood of the lamb.
My thoughts, entirely.
Once you’r dead, your chance has passed.
As for the spirits of the dead, when I was a child I asked an elderly lady next door if she believed in ghosts. I forget what generated the question, but I think it was some movie.
Anyway, her answer has always stuck with me. She said, “No. The people in Heaven don’t want ot come back, and the people in Hell can’t come back”.
Jesus never mentioned this books that were added. He doesn’t say to pray for the dead. Bible is very clear on not doing that actually.
We Protestants believe the souls are alive.
We just don’t believe that they communicate with the living.
Yes, praying to Jesus to send angels to take souls home to him. and NOT automatically thinking of them as evil and driving them to satan.
Not all non-Catholics agree with you.
Boggie, The priest is detecting that there are souls of the dead present. He is then praying to Jesus to rescue these souls and take them to be with him in heaven. That, to me, is in line with what I have been taught as a protestant since being a child—it is ALWAYS GOOD and PROPER to pray to Jesus.
I’m pretty sure you get a ‘transformed’ body rather than a new one. The Greek word ‘kainon’ is used in Revelation and 1Cor (?) to describe our bodies in the future. ‘Neo’, which is used numerous times throughout the NT means ‘new’ as in ‘completely different’. As demonstrated by Jesus when he show Thomas the wounds in His hands and side after the resurrection. Of course, this is the sort of thing people quibble and fight about but I like to think Jesus has it all figured out and whatever He has planned is OK by me.
You’re right, of course. But, IMNSHO, they are wrong.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.
Communicating with demons masquerading as the spirits of the dead is something that I would never do. Although, for a Christian, I have a truly disturbing, to me, fascination with the occult.
From what I read in the article, Father Lorig prayed for these poor souls. Nothing unChristian about that.
This isn’t communicating with demons. These people (live souls as you say) are on their way to heaven.
We don’t try to communicate with them. Maybe that is where your misconception is coming from. We just pray for them.
There are stories in the book I mentioned of souls coming to meet the people who prayed for them and got them to heaven.
That’s the thing about Purgatory — they can’t help themselves, but they know they are bound for heaven. Pray for them. It’s not harmful at all.
** they need the redemption of the blood of the lamb.**
Surprise, Christ died for Catholics too. LOL!
And we already have the redemption of the Body and Blood of the Lamb in Holy Communion!
Does the Vatican know about this?
Oddly I had a friend last night request that I protect myself, pray for Jesus to come, and tell the 'spirit' to go to the light of Jesus. There are no mistakes in this world. She told me they are lower vibrations attracted to my higher and it is my role to guide them to Jesus. This was the first time someone had told me this and then I come across this article today. Looks like God is talking with me. :)
Thanks for the post.
“From what I read in the article, Father Lorig prayed for these poor souls. Nothing unChristian about that.”
Of course there is, because these weren’t “poor souls”. Any Christian should know there is no such thing as ghosts wandering about the earth, from purgatory or anywhere else. So, he is either lying, delusional, or under attack by demons, and praying for people in purgatory is not a properly Christian response to any of those situations.
Correct, Christ died for everyone, people need to accept him. The man made dogmas and rules and traditions that are not of the bible need to be abolished. We need to be in his word and follow his word.
from the “Boogieman.” Ironic.
Firstly, there are no souls of the dead present. Even in his own Catholic theology, the dead are not wandering around willy nilly, and being a priest, he aught to know that.
Secondly, he is doing more than praying to them. First, he is “detecting” their presence, by his feelings, which means he seeking out contact with them. Otherwise, he would be dismissing those subjective feelings or praying to God to remove them from him, not indulging in them.
Third, besides simply seeking out these spirits, he attempts to communicate with them, as demonstrated by this:
“The priest has found an effective formula is to have a Mass said for any soul that seems to be disturbing a place and gently telling the soul, “Call to Jesus. Keep saying ‘Jesus’ over and over, until He comes.””
See that? He is “telling the soul” something, so he is communing with them.
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