Posted on 07/20/2013 1:45:48 PM PDT by NYer
Two problems here...You guys claim that Jesus is in the monstrance...Perhaps this priest was bowing to the monstrance...
Trouble is: there's a man between the priest and the monstrance, facing the priest...The priest is clearly prostrating himself to the bishop, as the reporter correctly reports...
When Father Patrick Allen lay prostrate before the bishop for his diaconate ordination on June 29
Maybe the priest figured the bishop was an appearance of Jesus...Isn't that you guys are taught to believe when the priest 'consecrates the host'???
And you ignore the fact that Peter says, 'don't do this'...
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Your OT examples have nothing to do with NT practices...While OT people bowed to kings who had great power over their lives and priests who were responsible for acquiring their atonement from God, there is only one legitimate King and atonement provider in the NT and that is Jesus Christ...
The Apostles make that very clear...
It is common in many Protestant denominations but they don't bow to the pastor as this priest is bowing to a bishop...
It is very common for these same people to bow to statues of other Catholics...
One can’t have a mother-in-law unless one is married.
Again, Scripture only tells us that Peter was married at one time. If my wife dies and her mother does not, I will still have a mother-in-law. It's a very simply exercise in logic.
Your knowledge of the topic at hand is quite deficient but go ahead and be content in your ignorance.
I think you are misinterpreting the picture.
The prostration indicates the ordinand’s total commitment to Christ and to his ministry as a priest serving Christ.
“We were so very proud of him as he began this new chapter in his call to serve God,”
So God called this fella to be a Protestant priest, and then called him back and said what??? "I'm going to promote you to Catholicism"??? Maybe God didn't really call him to do anything...
So the fact that this guy says he is going to serve God makes him a Christian, eh??? Is that how you guys know you're Christians??? Seems to me Mohammed did the same thing, serve God...Seems the high priests of Mormonism do exactly the same thing...
And I'm the one who has the obtuse mind???
No, we don’t have any way of knowing that because Scriptures don’t give us that information. Its also possible that he took his wife along with him at times according to 1 Corinthians 9:5:
5 Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife,[a] as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?
It is you who is ignorant. Its also possible that Peter took his wife with him at times according to 1 Corinthians 9:5:
5 Do we not have the right to take along a believing wife,[a] as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?
One must look at Scripture in light of other Scripture, therefore, avoiding Biblical error by taking one out of context
Revelation 3: 9" I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but are lying—I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will learn that I have loved you"
We can not put God in box.
The first thing you have to do when reading the bible is 'learn how to read'...And the second thing is to recognize that the 'red letters' represent Jesus speaking...
So let's start over...WHO is having non believers bow before the church at Philadelphia??? The believers in the church??? Nope...It's Jesus having the unbelievers bow...
Has this event ever taken place in the past??? Nope...Is it happening now??? Nope...
Will unbelievers ever bow before the church of Philadelphia??? Jesus said they would...Do you know when this will take place??? Didn't think so...Hello!!!
IMHO, if people who disagree with particulars of Catholicism used their valuable time to try to convert atheists, their time would be better spent.
This is why I rarely post on any religion threads, because the criticism of different sects and denominations gets so bad that I know it is not good for the criticizers; and there are so many atheists or people who supposedly believe in God but have no real faith and need help. Why not spend energy outreaching to them?
I’m not even a Catholic but I respect any sincere Christian and am 100% sure that God does not care one way or another if someone prostrates before a bishop or not. But I am 100% sure that He is not pleased by people spending a lot of energy criticizing the practices of other religions, rather than trying to enlighten those in darkness.
In fact, the strong negative feelings about the Catholic faith really surprised me when I came to FR. I had no idea such existed. It is distasteful in the extreme and does no one any good.
Scripture also makes no mention of Peter's hands...He likely had them at one time, but we don't know if he still had them when he lived with his mother in law...
Why would I want to look there???
Wrong.
Ronnie the Rocket’s post 4, about a period of continence being required, is not receiving the attention that it deserves. Up until the time of St. Pius X, ALL OF THE FAITHFUL in the Latin Rite were expected to abstain from marital relations for three days prior to receiving Holy Communion—the rational may be found described in the Catechism of the Council of Trent under the section on the Eucharist, subsection titled Recipient of the Eucharist, sub-subsection titled Preparation of the Body (if you have the TAN edition, bottom of p. 248). Short version: abstain from food from midnight, abstain from food for three days.
This would preclude daily Mass if one had married priests exercising marriage. It also would require a great deal of mutually agreed to abstinence if at least one party in a marriage wanted to be a very frequent communicant.
While St. Pius X did away with the requirement of a sexual fast for the Latin Rite, he did not alter Canon Law on the matter of clerics, and if canon lawyer Edward Peters is right (and I am persuaded that he is), Canon Law has not been altered on the point. Misunderstood and misinterpreted, but not altered. http://www.canonlaw.info/a_deacons.htm
Peters’ position is detailed, and contains nuances regarding those ordained without knowledge of the law. As I need sleep, I will let him make the case in a way more precise and nuanced than I am capable of.
God invented marriage. It is a good thing. Not an inconvenience, as your denomination posits.
Thanks.
Not according to the picture...And apparently not to Mrs. Don-o...She just posted a list of folks in the OT that showed it was perfectly legitimate to bow to others held in high esteem and religious people...
What’s that??? Your open bible???
I’m certainly no expert on church history, either, and this story caught me by surprise. But, here’s how the pastor at my Roman Catholic church once explained it:
He explained that priests are supposed to model their lives after the life of Christ, and nuns are supposed to model their lives after the life of the Blessed Mother. And that’s why priests and nuns remain celibate.
However, a married man may become a Catholic deacon. Deacons can participate very heavily in the Mass. The deacons at our church sit next to the priest at the altar, serve Communion, and sometimes give the homily.
Yes God does care...You don't spend much time in the bible, do ya???
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