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Does the Catholic Church Teach "Doctrines of Demons?"
Catholic Answers ^ | July 21, 2013 | Tim Staples

Posted on 07/22/2013 2:45:09 PM PDT by NYer

Two days ago, we had a couple of converts to the Catholic Faith come by the office here at Catholic Answers to get a tour of our facility and to meet the apologists who had been instrumental in their conversions. One of the two gave me a letter she received from her Pentecostal pastor. He had written to her upon his discovery that she was on her way into full communion with the Catholic Church. She asked for advice concerning either how to respond or whether she should respond at all to the letter.

As I read through the multiple points her former pastor made, one brought back particular memories for me, because it was one of my favorites to use in evangelizing Catholics back in my Protestant days. The Catholic Church, he warned, teaches “doctrines of demons” according to the plain words of I Timothy 4:1-3:

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and enjoin abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

What is consecrated celibacy if not “forbid[ding] marriage?” And what is mandatory abstinence from meat during the Fridays of Lent if not “enjoin[ing] abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving?” So says this Pentecostal pastor. How do we respond?

Innocent on Both Charges

Despite appearances, there are at least two central reasons these claims fail when held up to deeper scrutiny:

1. St. Paul was obviously not condemning consecrated celibacy in I Timothy 4, because in the very next chapter of this same letter, he instructed Timothy pastorally concerning the proper implementation of consecrated celibacy with regard to “enrolled” widows:

Let a widow be enrolled if she is not less than sixty years of age, having been the wife of one husband . . . well attested for her good deeds. . . . But refuse to enroll younger widows; for when they grow wanton against Christ they desire to marry, and so they incur condemnation for having violated their first pledge (I Tim. 5:9-11).

There is nothing ordinarily wrong with a widow remarrying. St. Paul himself made clear in Romans 7:2-3:

[A] married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. . . . But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and if she remarries another man she is not an adulterous.

Yet, the “widow” of I Timothy 5 is condemned if she remarries? In the words of Ricky Ricardo, St. Paul has some “splainin’ to do.”

The answer lies in the fact that the widow in question had been “enrolled,” which was a first-century equivalent to being “consecrated.” Thus, according to St. Paul, these “enrolled” widows were not only celibate but consecrated as such.

2. St. Paul was obviously not condemning the Church making abstinence from certain foods mandatory, because the Council of Jerusalem, of which St. Paul was a key participant in A.D. 49, did just that in declaring concerning Gentile converts:

For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity (Acts 15:28).

This sounds just like "enjoin[ing] abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving." So there is obviously something more to I Timothy 4 than what one gets at first glance.

What Was St. Paul Actually Calling “Doctrines of Demons?”

In A Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture, the 1953 classic for Scripture study, Fr. R.J. Foster gives us crucial insight into what St. Paul was writing about in I Timothy 4:

[B]ehind these prohibitions there may lie the dualistic principles which were already apparent in Asia Minor when this epistle was written and which were part of the Gnostic heresy.

Evidently, St. Paul was writing against what might be termed the founding fathers of the Gnostic movement that split away from the Church in the first century and would last over 1,000 years, forming many different sects and taking many different forms.

Generally speaking, Gnostics taught that spirit was good and matter was pure evil. We know some of them even taught there were two gods, or two “eternal principles,” that are the sources of all that is. There was a good principle, or god, who created all spirit, while an evil principle created the material world.

Moreover, we humans had a pre-human existence, according to the Gnostics, and were in perfect bliss as pure spirits dwelling in light and in the fullness of the “gnosis” or “knowledge.” Perfect bliss, that is, until our parents did something evil: They got married. Through the conjugal act perfectly pure spirits are snatched out of that perfect bliss and trapped in evil bodies, causing the darkening of the intellect and the loss of the fullness of the "gnosis." Thus, salvation would only come through the gaining, or regaining, of the “gnosis” that the Gnostics alone possessed.

Eating meat was also forbidden because its consumption would bring more evil matter into the body, having the effect of both keeping a person bound to his evil body and further darkening the intellect.

Thus, these early Gnostics forbade “marriage and enjoin[ed] abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving.”

If there are any remaining doubts as to whom St. Paul was referring as teaching "doctrines of demons," he tips his hand in his final exhortation in I Timothy 6:20-21:

O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid the godless chatter and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge, for by professing it some have missed the mark as regards faith. Grace be with you.

The Greek word translated above as “knowledge” is gnoseos. Sound familiar? The bottom line is this: St. Paul was not condemning the Catholic Church in I Timothy 4; he was warning against early Gnostics who were leading Christians astray via their “gnosis,” which was no true gnosis at all.


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1 posted on 07/22/2013 2:45:09 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/22/2013 2:45:39 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

>> Does the Catholic Church Teach “Doctrines of Demons?” <<

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Yes!

Most assuredly so.

Particularly the mass, which is straight out of the Lake that burns.


3 posted on 07/22/2013 2:51:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NYer

Well, this is timely.....


4 posted on 07/22/2013 2:59:10 PM PDT by piusv
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To: editor-surveyor
Oh, Goody.

You've confirmed beyond a doubt that the Catholic Church teaches the pure and unadulterated Gospel of Jesus Christ.

5 posted on 07/22/2013 3:00:21 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I think it’s talking about the devil here.

Did you read the article?

**The Greek word translated above as “knowledge” is gnoseos. Sound familiar? The bottom line is this: St. Paul was not condemning the Catholic Church in I Timothy 4; he was warning against early Gnostics who were leading Christians astray via their “gnosis,” which was no true gnosis at all.**


6 posted on 07/22/2013 3:01:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Baptists do


7 posted on 07/22/2013 3:05:09 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
You've confirmed beyond a doubt that the Catholic Church teaches the pure and unadulterated Gospel of Jesus Christ.

AND Mary.

8 posted on 07/22/2013 3:05:49 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: NYer

bookmark


9 posted on 07/22/2013 3:06:32 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: editor-surveyor
Okay everyone, editor-surveyor has handed down his judgment — it is now official, the Catholic Church teaches the doctrine of demons.

Well, I'm sure glad we cleared that up.

10 posted on 07/22/2013 3:07:21 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: fwdude

You’re not particularly making sense.


11 posted on 07/22/2013 3:07:32 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

All one needs to do is look at the pagan practices, vestments, and beliefs incorporated into the RCC to understand they teach the doctrines of demons.


12 posted on 07/22/2013 3:14:20 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Mary is mentioned many times more than Christ in the RCC. Read the Rosary, if you doubt it.


13 posted on 07/22/2013 3:21:08 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

ROFL!!!!!!


14 posted on 07/22/2013 3:23:04 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Am not a member of the Roman Catholic Church myself and have no plans to convert to Roman Catholicism. I would probably be more inclined toward the Orthodox faith if I was for some reason forced to choose. But I do find many of these articles, by faithful Catholics, some of whom like this writer are converts, defending or at least discussing their beliefs very interesting. We have our disagreements but I recognize them as fellow Christians.

To the best of my knowledge the writer quoted scripture accurately and made a sound point about what Paul was referring to by "Doctrines of Demons" (the beginnings of Gnosticism - which I believe he also fairly and accurately described) in a 1st century context.

Calm and reasoned criticism would probably be accepted by the author with good grace and as a fair challenge. Your comment, on the other hand, was closer to a blood libel than anything remotely persuasive.

So if you don't mind (or even if you do) I'd like to modify your tag line: "editor-surveyor: Not as smart as he thinks he is"

15 posted on 07/22/2013 3:23:24 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: ArrogantBustard

It’s tragic that you think the overt idolizing of Mary is funny.


16 posted on 07/22/2013 3:26:46 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: NYer
Does the Catholic Church Teach “Doctrines of Demons?

I don't know but I'm not sure why popes have personal exorcist! If you are truly filled with the Holy Spirit you cannot be possessed by a demon and have no need for a exorcist.
17 posted on 07/22/2013 3:28:30 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Texas Conservative Christian *born again believer in Jesus Christ* Black Man!)
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To: ForAmerica

The exorcist is not for the Pope, he is sent on directions from the Pope.


18 posted on 07/22/2013 3:29:45 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: NYer

You know, when you post articles with provocative questions, expect to get shot at, especially when it elicits an answer.


19 posted on 07/22/2013 3:30:32 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: CynicalBear
My suggestion to you - first, acquire a bible. You can get one for free if you don't mind ebooks. Second, read these selected verses (kindly compiled by John Salza) while thinking about the Catholic mass.

PS Your argument is weak at its face. To say the Catholic Church is pagan because priests wear vestments is akin to saying the US military is a pagan organization because after all, the pagan Roman army wore uniforms too.

Gen. 14:18 Psalm 76:2 Psalm 110:4 Malachi 1:11 Exodus 12:14,17,24; cf. 24:8 Exodus 29:38-39 Lev. 19:22 Jer. 33:18 Zech. 9:15-16 2 Chron. 26:18 Gen. 22:9-13 Exodus 12:5 Exodus 12:7,22-23 Exodus 12:8,11 Exodus 12:43-45; Ezek. 44:9 Exodus 12:49 Exodus 12:47; Num. 9:12 Exodus 16:4-36; Neh 9:15 Exodus 24:9-11 Exodus 29:33 Lev. 7:15 Lev. 17:11,14 Gen. 9:4-5; Deut.12:16,23-24 2 Kings 4:43 2 Chron. 30:15-17; 35:1,6,11,13; Ezra 6:20-21; Ezek. 6:20-21 Neh. 9:15 Psalm 78:24-25; 105:40 Isaiah 53:7 Wis. 16:20 Sir. 24:21 Ezek. 2:8-10; 3:1-3 Zech. 12:10 Zech. 13:1

20 posted on 07/22/2013 3:31:43 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: fwdude
"Read the rosary"

There is more to Church teachings than the rosary. Mustn't overlook the fact.

21 posted on 07/22/2013 3:34:31 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
The exorcist is not for the Pope, he is sent on directions from the Pope.

I read a few years back (around 05 or 06) that Pope John Paul had a personal one. Was the article wrong? I don't know but was something put out by the Vatican. I thought the samething then, why does a believer an exorcist.

A born again believer in Jesus Christ does not need one!
22 posted on 07/22/2013 3:37:06 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Texas Conservative Christian *born again believer in Jesus Christ* Black Man!)
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To: NYer

Wow! The attacks here seem to be coming from demons. Scary.


23 posted on 07/22/2013 3:57:50 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: fwdude

We do not idolize Mary...we do however, honor her for the role she played in our salvation...she simply said yes to God.....period....


24 posted on 07/22/2013 4:06:23 PM PDT by bike800
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To: ArrogantBustard

The catholic church is dedicated to obliterating every word that Yeshua has ever spoken.


25 posted on 07/22/2013 4:08:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: fwdude

Role model, yes. Idol? Hardly


26 posted on 07/22/2013 4:09:18 PM PDT by bike800
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To: editor-surveyor
Particularly the mass, which is straight out of the Lake that burns.

One example from the Catholic Mass please? Just one.

27 posted on 07/22/2013 4:14:55 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: fwdude
Mary is mentioned many times more than Christ in the RCC. Read the Rosary, if you doubt it.

Mary is mentioned more times than Christ ... when? During Mass?

28 posted on 07/22/2013 4:17:09 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: bike800; fwdude

>> “We do not idolize Mary...we do however, honor her for the role she played in our salvation” <<

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Neither Mary, nor any other sinner, played any role whatsoever in anyone’s salvation. She acknowledged that fact herself. Worship denegrates her memory.

Yeshua alone was sinless, and qualified to take the punishment and shed his blood for our sins.


29 posted on 07/22/2013 4:17:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: bike800; fwdude

>> “Role model, yes” <<

Role model no!

Mary gathered her children and went to call Yeshua away from his teaching several times. That is not behavior worthy of passing on.


30 posted on 07/22/2013 4:21:56 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: al_c

Only one example needed: The claim of conjuring up Yeshua’s flesh.

Ignorance, and blasphemy.


31 posted on 07/22/2013 4:24:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: fwdude

I don’t think you totally understand the Rosary.

What are the mysteries? Only two of them are NOT about Christ.

Let’s take a look.

Joyful — first set is about Christ’s childhood
Annunciation — announcing the oncoming birth of Christ
Visitation — Mary shares the news with Elizabeth and St. John the Baptist leaps in Elizabeth womb, because he recognizes Christ in Mary’s womb.
The Nativity — Birth of Christ
Presntation — according to Jewish custom, the baby is presented in the temple.
Finding the Child Jesus in the temple — where he was talking with and asking questions of the wise men of the church.

Luminous — this new second set of mysteries is about Christ’s life of ministry
The Baptism of Christ in the Jordan — St. John the Baptist recognizes the Lamb of God, the Holy Spirit descends upon Christ and the voice of God the Father is heard.
Jesus Manifests Himself at the Wedding of Cana — the working of Christ’s first miracle.
The Prclamation of the Kingdom of God and the Call to Conversion — Christ talks to the multitudes about the coming Kingdom of God and calls them to conversion — often forgiving their sins.
The Transfiguration — Christ appears in glory with Moses and Elijah and is witnessed by Peter, John and James.
The Institution of the Holy Eucharist — Christ institutes the Eucharist at the Last Supper.

OK — so far? All about Jesus, aren’t they?

Moving on to the Passion of Christ — the Sorrowful Mysteries
The Agony in the Garden — Christ prays in the Garden of Gethsemane
The Scourging at the Pillar — thousands and thousands of blows suffered for our sins
The Crowning of Thorns — done by the Roman soldiers as they mock Christ
Jesus Carries His Cross — all the way to Golgotha with the help of Simon the Cyrenian
The Crucifixion — Jesus dies on the Cross for our sins.

Now the Glorious mysteries
The Resurrection of the Lord — as witnessed by St. Mary Magdalene, as recognized by the two disciples on the way to Emmaus — all the Easter miracles. Appearing to the apostles even though the door is locked. Being on the shore cooking for the apostles after they have been out all night fishing and caught nothing, then experience a miracle draught of fish at the Lord’s command to cast the net on the other side of the boat.
The Ascension — apostles, disciples and other followers watch as Jesus ascends bodily into heaven
Descent of the Holy Spirit — The Apostles and Disciples convert 3000 people through the miracle of speaking in the onlookers’ native language.
Now — the two and only two about Mary —
The Assumption — Mary taken bodily to heaven by angels as related by apostles and Early Church Fathers.
The Cornonation of Mary as the Queen (mother) of Heaven

There you go — out of 20 mysteries — only two are about Mary.

Next questio~~ I suppose you want the Biblical connotations. LOL!

As we pray the Rosary of the Day, saying the Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory Be and the Fatima Prayer, we concentrate and meditate on these individual mysteries. It (the Rosary) is a meditation on the entire Life of Christ.


32 posted on 07/22/2013 4:25:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: editor-surveyor

Not true. Where did you get that nonsense?


33 posted on 07/22/2013 4:28:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: editor-surveyor

Mary had only one Child, Jesus Christ.


34 posted on 07/22/2013 4:29:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
Ah, Catholic Answers . . . the folks who say Catholics are forbidden to interpret the first eleven chapters of Genesis as literal history.

The Catholic Church lets Indians keep their totem poles, but rednecks can't keep their belief in Genesis 1-11. Now ain't that sumpin'?

35 posted on 07/22/2013 4:29:24 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What would Yehoshu`a [Bin Nun] do?)
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To: editor-surveyor

That’s what a good portion of his followers said...and he let them leave...same now...


36 posted on 07/22/2013 4:30:22 PM PDT by bike800
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To: Salvation
Next questio Next question
37 posted on 07/22/2013 4:32:29 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: editor-surveyor

Conjuring up Jesus’ flesh? You really don’t understand the Mass, do you?


38 posted on 07/22/2013 4:33:00 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Salvation

Mary had at least six children, possibly nine, depending on interpretation of names.


39 posted on 07/22/2013 4:37:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: al_c

You speak to yourself?


40 posted on 07/22/2013 4:37:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: al_c

Interesting how people take the bible as Literal word for word...God created the world in 7 days...” he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood shall have eternal life”. ..that one? Well...thats not literal....ok


41 posted on 07/22/2013 4:38:58 PM PDT by bike800
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To: editor-surveyor
You are mistaken as far as the Bible goes. The references to brothers and sisters are there because there was no word for cousins. Please study a little more.

Mary was a perpetual virgin. Even these men say so!

Essays for Lent: Mary Ever-Virgin
Why is the perpetual virginity of Mary so important to Catholics? [Ecumenical Vanity]
Is the Perpetual Virginity of Mary a Biblical View?
Aeiparthenos (An Anglo-Catholic Priest on Mary's Perpetual Virginity)
The Heõs Hou polemic is over: Radio Debate Matatics VS White & Svendsen on Perpetual Virginity Mary
The Early Church Fathers on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Heõs Hou polemic is over: Radio Debate Matatics VS White & Svendsen on Perpetual Virginity Mary
Luther, Calvin, and Other Early Protestants on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary
Luther, Calvin, and Other Early Protestants on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary

42 posted on 07/22/2013 4:41:55 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bike800

No, that’s what Yeshua said, but the religionists need the confusion.


43 posted on 07/22/2013 4:41:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Luke22 "And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you."

This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

Who then, is the ignorant one here.

44 posted on 07/22/2013 4:55:25 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: NYer
2. St. Paul was obviously not condemning the Church making abstinence from certain foods mandatory, because the Council of Jerusalem, of which St. Paul was a key participant in A.D. 49, did just that in declaring concerning Gentile converts:

As is too often the case, this Catholic author is full of deception...Paul DID NOT forbid the eating of certain foods...

ct 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Paul forbade the eating of all foods, which were offered as a sacrifice to idols and gods...And Paul forbade the eating of blood...That is it...To claim that Paul forbade certain foods for the Christian believer is deception...

Evidently, St. Paul was writing against what might be termed the founding fathers of the Gnostic movement that split away from the Church in the first century and would last over 1,000 years, forming many different sects and taking many different forms.

That is exactly true...But those Gnostics are still with us in the 2nd Millennium after the Crucifixion...And how do we identify those Gnostics???

Just as Paul warned; those who refuse to let their clergy get married, those who have rules against eating certain foods, and those who serve BLOOD to eat...

Can we identify that religion??? Anyone???

45 posted on 07/22/2013 4:58:32 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: NYer

No, of course not only an _______ would think that.


46 posted on 07/22/2013 5:05:44 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: bike800
Interesting how people take the bible as Literal word for word...God created the world in 7 days...” he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood shall have eternal life”. ..that one? Well...thats not literal....ok

Of course it's literal...But it's spiritual, not physical...

47 posted on 07/22/2013 5:05:52 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: editor-surveyor

It was a question to you.


48 posted on 07/22/2013 5:06:32 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: fwdude

There is no Gospel of Mary although, in the second century, She was referred to as Theotokos.

By her own admission, She is “the handmaid of the Lord”. She never asked for any earthly honors.


49 posted on 07/22/2013 5:07:06 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Iscool
Catholics don't have rules against certain foods. Depending on what Catholic rite you attend, clergy may be married. Catholics consume the blood of Christ as ordered by Christ Himself.

And on the note of blood, I suppose you've never had blood pudding, blood cake, blood sausage, goose blood soup...

Next.

50 posted on 07/22/2013 5:11:31 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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