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History of the Catholic Church: From the Apostolic Age to the Third Millennium
http://www.amazon.com ^ | Deember 19, 2012 | James Hitchcock

Posted on 07/27/2013 1:35:20 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

The Catholic Church is the longest-enduring institution in the world. Beginning with the first Christians and continuing in our present day, the Church has been planted in every nation on earth.

The Catholic Church claims Jesus Christ himself as her founder, and in spite of heresy from within and hostility from without, she remains in the twenty-first century the steadfast guardian of belief in his life, death, and resurrection. The teachings and redemptive works of Jesus as told in the Gospels are expressed by the Church in a coherent and consistent body of doctrine, the likes of which cannot be found in any other Christian body.

The history of the Catholic Church is long, complicated, and fascinating, and in this book it is expertly and ably told by historian James Hitchcock. As in the parable of Christ about the weeds that were sown in a field of wheat, evil and good have grown together in the Church from the start, as Hitchcock honestly records. He brings before us the many characters--some noble, some notorious--who have left an indelible mark on the Church, while never losing sight of the saints, who have given living testimony to the salvific power of Christ in every age.

This ambitious work is comprehensive in its scope and in incisive in its understanding, a valuable addition to any school or home library.

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Just finished it. An easy to read, concise history of the Catholic Church.
1 posted on 07/27/2013 1:35:20 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
The Catholic Church is the longest-enduring institution in the world.

It looks like the Jews get slighted again.

2 posted on 07/27/2013 1:37:57 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: NKP_Vet

Now you’ve done it. Get ready for incoming.

I only wish I wasn’t so busy over the next few days and will have to be an onlooker/observer.

Thanks for the tip on the book though, I can use it for my confirmation class.


3 posted on 07/27/2013 1:40:29 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: NKP_Vet

“The Catholic Church is the longest-enduring institution in the world.”

Not for long if the homos and the communist Obama has
their way.


4 posted on 07/27/2013 1:52:01 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: NKP_Vet

It is also available from Ignatius Press.


5 posted on 07/27/2013 2:05:34 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: BipolarBob
It looks like the Jews get slighted again

It looks like Jesus gets slighted, also. Jesus and His Body of born again BELIEVERS is NOT an institution nor a 'religion' with man made teachings which are worldly and secular which are not of God.

His church is all about HIS WORD ALONE and fellowship with The Father. Christians are well aware, Jesus and His disciples were Jewish and Paul being their most ardent defender. Then he encountered Jesus and became born again, not of the flesh but of the Spirit. It wasn't about 'law' anymore but ALL ABOUT JESUS - grace and faith - and then he was the most ardent teacher of the Kingdom of God. Then God chose him to write 2/3 of the NT inspired by His Spirit that lived within him. Christians know their roots and the OT tells of great men of faith.

The counterfeits will be destroyed as everything NOT of GOD will be. This is the time to deceive man so that is why they exist.

6 posted on 07/27/2013 2:11:44 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: BipolarBob

Judaism as a religion has been around longer, but it is difficult to point to an institution inside of the religion that has been around longer than the Catholic Church. The Jewish Rabbinate is more of a conception of an institution, not an institution. That said it appears the Japanese Monarchy can be traced to 600 BC.


7 posted on 07/27/2013 2:13:11 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: presently no screen name

I’m going to say I believe a lot of what you posted (but not all) and leave it at that. I don’t need another debate filibuster right now. Take care. Peace be to you.


8 posted on 07/27/2013 2:23:04 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob
I don’t need another debate filibuster right now

Me neither so we are on the same page with that! Enjoy your weekend.

9 posted on 07/27/2013 2:32:16 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

Where do you get this idea that the Church is not of God? Also where do you get his idea that this is the time to deceive man?


10 posted on 07/27/2013 2:33:22 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: BipolarBob

Jews are a people. They are not an institution. They were not slighted in the least.


11 posted on 07/27/2013 2:35:05 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: NKP_Vet

Just finished it. An easy to read, concise history of the Catholic Church.

________________________________

I also have it and I agree with you.

;-)


12 posted on 07/27/2013 2:40:33 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Slambat

Not for long if the homos and the communist Obama has
their way.

_____________________________

I beg to differ. Persecution will only make the Church stronger.

;-)


13 posted on 07/27/2013 2:43:06 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NKP_Vet

The RCC is a paganized totalitarian impostor masquerading as the true church. Neither the New Testament nor the Patristic writings support their bogus claims. What we see in the Patristic writings is reflected in Evangelicalism, not the RCC.

To take only one issue, the premillennial beliefs of Justin, Ireneaue, Tertullian, Hippolytus, the belief of the Evangelicals matches theirs.

The RCC owes their Amillennialism to one man, Augustine. The RCC’s Amillennial interpretation of Rev. 20 was, truth be told, the main impetus for their totalitarian tyrannical rule over Europe during the middle ages. Per Revelation, the Popes believed that they were supposed to be ruling from thrones with an iron rod during this alleged millennial church age. Hence their killing and burning anybody that defied them.

Their claim as the true church is one of the biggest lies of history.


14 posted on 07/27/2013 3:01:49 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

Wow !!! Do you write for Game of Thrones or some other fantasy show. If not, you are definitely qualified as a fantasy writer with the flight of fancy you just posted. Please forward your bibliography and documentation for your claims. It should make for interesting reading?


15 posted on 07/27/2013 3:30:10 PM PDT by johnd201 (johnd201)
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To: presently no screen name
I don't think the reviewer or the author made any claim about this book being a definitive history of JESUS. It is a history of the Roman Catholic Church. Period.

I have not read it and can't comment on its content, but I can envision a HISTORY that is neither an advocacy nor a condemnation, but an objective view of an institution that, for better or worse, has shaped most of what we know today as Western Civilization.

It could be a fascinating work, and a worthwhile addition to any thinking man's library.

16 posted on 07/27/2013 3:30:55 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: sasportas
Their claim as the true church is one of the biggest lies of history

you go with that theory...over two thousand years of history and historians have proven you wrong...MOST Protestants in mainline denominations agree with the Catholic Church history and only a few deniers like yourself make up their own version of history....very sad....read a book or two.

17 posted on 07/27/2013 3:47:21 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: sasportas

I am curious how there have been Jews in Rome for over 2000 years? If there is anyone the RCC would want to punish, kill and burn, it would be the Jews. And it would be easiest in Rome, where the Church had actual temporal power for several centuries. However, the oppression did not start until after the Protestant Reformation started.

If you want examples of Protestant intolerance, feel free to examine Protestant reactions to Copernicus and Darwin.

Your claim that the Evangelical beliefs match those of Tertullian is wrong. In Scorpiace, Tertullian quotes Baruch 6:3.


18 posted on 07/27/2013 4:02:19 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: ronnietherocket3
If you want examples of Protestant intolerance, feel free to examine Protestant reactions to Copernicus and Darwin.

Let's don't go there. Remember Galileo? The one who by studying the planets found out about heliocentrism? (That's where the planets go around the sun.) Well the Catholic Church beat the poop out of the old man and put him under house arrest. Scared the daylights out of him for being correct. Real tolerance there. The One True Church was wrong and behaved with cruelty.

19 posted on 07/27/2013 4:31:42 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob; NKP_Vet
I suppose a historian might say that "Temple Judaism" and its formal institutions (the Leviticus priesthood and so forth) ended in 70 A.D. and "Rabbinical Judaism" might be thought to have started at the same time, making Rabbinical Judaism just about as old, as an institution, as Catholicism.

I read somewhere that there are, or were other institutions arguably more ancient. One was the Ethiopian monarchy (ca 975 BC - 1975 AD?) --- but that's gone now, and so "out of the running" so to speak. Another would be Buddhist monasticism, depending on whether or not you see it as unified and continuous enough to be called an institution.

20 posted on 07/27/2013 4:41:42 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: terycarl
MOST Protestants in mainline denominations agree with the Catholic Church history and only a few deniers like yourself.

It is only the weak backed liberal compromisers, similar to RINO's, who are only superficial in their faith, who agree with the RCC's historical claims, apostates they are. And, yes, "deniers" like myself in these apostate times are getting fewer and fewer, but we know who will win in the end.

21 posted on 07/27/2013 4:42:05 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: ronnietherocket3
Rome, where the Church had actual temporal power for several centuries.

You guys really know how to spin your history. "Several centuries?" Give me a break.

The oppression did not start until after the Protestant Reformation had started

Your tyrannical persecution of the Jews, though not in Rome mostly in Spain, took place before the Protestant. I'm sure you've heard of the Inquisition. You choice of words, "oppression" is more spin. Burning people at the stake is worthy of stronger language than "oppression."

22 posted on 07/27/2013 4:54:07 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas
Correction:

The oppression did not start until after the Protestant Reformation had started.

Your tyrannical persecution of the Jews, though not in Rome mostly in Spain, took place before the Protestant Reformation. I'm sure you've heard of the Inquisition. You choice of words, "oppression" is more spin. Burning people at the stake is worthy of stronger language than mere "oppression."

23 posted on 07/27/2013 4:57:37 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I suppose I am a little more broad minded than that. Gods Church started in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve worshiped God there. His Church has gone down through the ages. Abraham. Joseph. Moses. Many leaders and followers. John 4:22 tells us “Salvation is of the Jews.” That was a statement then. It was a prophecy later fulfilled on Calvary. And it is a prophecy to be fulfilled in the future with the latter rain days. God has always had a Church. Jesus just magnified its meaning more clearly. Peace be to you.


24 posted on 07/27/2013 4:58:11 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

Christ started one church, the Catholic Church. The other 35,000 or so Christian denominations were started by mortal men. That is the difference. Cut and dry. End of story.


25 posted on 07/27/2013 5:23:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Jesus was a Jew. He lived as a Jew. His Disciples were Jews. Salvation is of the Jews John 4:22.


26 posted on 07/27/2013 5:38:59 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: sasportas; HoosierDammit; TYVets; red irish; fastrock; NorthernCrunchyCon; UMCRevMom@aol.com; ...
The RCC is a paganized totalitarian impostor masquerading as the true church.
ROTFLMAO!
27 posted on 07/27/2013 5:41:01 PM PDT by narses
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To: NKP_Vet

Small correction. Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Catholicism were started as the same faith. While Eastern Orthodox technically broke away, they have not adopted heretical beliefs. And their faith today is valid as the Catholic Faith stood then.


28 posted on 07/27/2013 5:49:21 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: BipolarBob
1. Nobody in the Church laid a glove on Galileo. "Beat the poop out of him" is evidently unsourced.

2. At the outset, the Church (meaning, in this instance, Card. Robert Bellarmine) said Galileo could teach any concept of the sun, planets and stars he wanted, as long as he presented it as a hypothesis supported by mathematical evidence; he was not to make claims of absolute philosophic truth.

Since Galileo was teaching that the sun was the center of the Universe (not just of our solar system, but of the Universe) and that the ocean tides were caused by the rotation of the earth on its axis (tides are in fact caused by the gravitational pull of the Moon).

Bellarmine knew, and said --- as did others in the Roman Cauria -- that the Church actually didn't have a "dogma" on the relative positions of the sun, the moon, the earth, and the planets, and therefore it was just a matter of getting Galileo to stick to the scientific method with its necessarily modest and limited claims. Bellarmine actually had the better of the argument, from a scientific point of view.

Unfortunately, Bellarmine died, and new Roman authorities, and a weak pope (Urban VIII) nevertheless permitted a verdict that Galileo was "vehemently suspected" of heresy. (This was a stupid conclusion and unjust ruling, very much the product of academic rivalries and clerical factions, plus the fact that Galileo and Urban were both "vehemently" cranky.) The result was that Galileo was put under "house arrest" and permitted to stay in the houses of friends, always comfortable and usually luxurious.

Galileo continued both his work and his correspondence, enjoying both popularity and notoriety, and eventually Urban VIII sent Galileo his special blessing, a reconciliation of the two old men. When he passed away just before his 80 birthday, Galileo was interred not only in consecrated ground, but within the church of Santa Croce at Florence.

Not exactly canonization (for either Urban or Galileo!) but neither was it the melodramatic myth of "dogma" vs "science" as distorted by people who don't know jack chick about either.

29 posted on 07/27/2013 6:06:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Beat the poop out of him” is evidently unsourced. Who really controlled what history recorded then anyways? The Church. And if Galileos teaching wasn’t 100% correct, it was ahead of what man knew before him. This is a prime example of why the powers of Churches (or politicians for that matter) should be curbed. It leads to excesses. The CC had no business curtailing scientific discovery, conjectures or hypotheses. Yeah and the “luxuries” Galileo had are (I’m sure) embellishment of the CC to mitigate their shameful past.


30 posted on 07/27/2013 6:14:37 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: narses
The RCC is a paganized totalitarian impostor masquerading as the true church. ROTFLMAO! If there is anything laughable it is the claims of your institution. Anybody with half a brain, comparing the church we see in the Bible with Constantinian Christianity, can easily see how false your claims are. A masquerade it is indeed.
31 posted on 07/27/2013 6:20:49 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: BipolarBob
I called it "a stupid conclusion and unjust ruling." My point is that it was the product of human vanity and folly --- men with their pride and rivalries (you'll always have that!) --- and not a matter of some erroneous doctrine of the Faith.

The actual history is really interesting (I'm not speaking of the comic book version.)

32 posted on 07/27/2013 6:25:57 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Feed me, O Lord, with needful food, I ask not wealth nor fame." --- Dundee)
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To: BipolarBob

Galileo did not start Heliocentrism; Copernicus did. There were several scientific objections raised by scientists. One is that the moon goes around the Earth; if the Earth were to go around the Sun, the moon could not go around the Earth. Another was parallax, that the apparent position of the stars should shift. There were others.

Galileo was able to disprove the first objection, by noting that Jupiter had moons. He was not able to answer the second objection. He like many others at the time assumed that the stars were not as far away as they actually are. He was able to answer the other objections. However, Galileo could provide no ACTUAL evidence that he was right. He could only provide evidence that he might be right. Cardinal Bellarmine said that if there were proof that the Earth revolved around the Sun, Scripture passages to the contrary would need careful explanation. Galileo continued to teach the idea as fact and not a hypothesis as demanded by the RC Church. Because he repeatedly taught it as fact, when he had no proof, he was convicted on SUSPICION of heresy. He was not convicted of heresy.

Sola Scriptura is a doctrine promoted by Protestantism. At the time the Reformation was in high gear, with Protestants accusing the Catholic Church (which they still do today) of not paying enough attention to the Bible. The RC Church was willing to consider science that appeared to contradict scripture; however, there needed to be proof to teach it as fact, not as a hypothesis.


33 posted on 07/27/2013 6:41:45 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: Slambat

It has survived worse, it will survive any trouble coming from Obama and company.


34 posted on 07/27/2013 6:42:18 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: BipolarBob

Is your argument that we should not put all of our faith in a single document?


35 posted on 07/27/2013 6:44:16 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: ronnietherocket3

Remember that it was Jesus who said to Peter, “you are rock and on this rock I will build my church.”


36 posted on 07/27/2013 6:44:37 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ronnietherocket3

I’m not sure I get your drift. The Bible is a compilation of different writers from different ages. It is the Word of God. My faith is in God and His Word.


37 posted on 07/27/2013 6:46:36 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: ronnietherocket3

-— At the time the Reformation was in high gear, with Protestants accusing the Catholic Church (which they still do today) of not paying enough attention to the Bible. The RC Church was willing to consider science that appeared to contradict scripture; however, there needed to be proof to teach it as fact, not as a hypothesis. -—

In fact, Copernicus dedicated his book on heliocentrism to the pope, whose protection he sought from Protestant leaders:

Nicolaus Copernicus dedicated his most famous work, On the Revolution of the Celestial Orbs, in which he gave an excellent account of heliocentricity, to Pope Paul III. Copernicus entrusted this work to Andreas Osiander, a Lutheran clergyman who knew that Protestant reaction to it would be negative, since Martin Luther seemed to have condemned the new theory, and, as a result, the book would be condemned. Osiander wrote a preface to the book, in which heliocentrism was presented only as a theory that would account for the movements of the planets more simply than geocentrism did—something Copernicus did not intend.


38 posted on 07/27/2013 6:48:50 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Biggirl; ronnietherocket3

Oh noes ronnierocket. She’s done pulled the “race card” equivalent about Peter being the rock. Protestants have no choice but to cower in fear when they pull that one out.


39 posted on 07/27/2013 6:48:55 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: sasportas

The tyrannical persecution did not happen in Rome, where the Church would have no temporal difficulty. Why did it not happen in Rome?


40 posted on 07/27/2013 6:53:20 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: Biggirl
Remember that it was Jesus who said to Peter, “you are rock and on this rock I will build my church.”

Right. But He didn't say, "I hereby anoint you Christ in Absentia."

He intended that Peter establish himself as Head Rabbi and leader of a church that would further spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This has nothing to do with title, as in 'Vicars of Christ,' 'Pontifex Maximus,' holding dominion over an Empire, wielding the power over all life and death, and the determining destination of all immortal souls with a mere wave of a hand, or word.

41 posted on 07/27/2013 6:58:43 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: BipolarBob

It is after all in the Bible and y’all believe in Sola Scriptura. If you claim that the RC Church does not have the keys, then who does? Did they disappear?


42 posted on 07/27/2013 6:59:12 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: USS Johnston

Nor does the Catholic Church believe that it has all power of life and death. Christ is the ultimate Judge. You ignore Isaiah 22:22. The keys of the House of David could be handed from generation to generation.


43 posted on 07/27/2013 7:01:20 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: ronnietherocket3
Nor does the Catholic Church believe that it has all power of life and death.

For centuries it's Pontiffs certainly acted in that manner. Moreover, those who are not Catholic are dismissed as infidels and unworthy as they are not members of what is perceived as THE "True Church."

You ignore Isaiah 22:22. The keys of the House of David could be handed from generation to generation.

I heed the words and promise of my Savior. That's all that matters.

44 posted on 07/27/2013 7:07:23 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: BipolarBob

-— The Bible is a compilation of different writers from different ages. It is the Word of God. My faith is in God and His Word.——

Which Bible?


45 posted on 07/27/2013 7:07:35 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: ronnietherocket3

Oh yes, the keys. It is in the Bible. Yes I believe that verse. But the Catholics and I cannot agree upon the meaning of that verse. I definitely believe the RCC do not have the keys (never have and never will). The keys are still valid. They did not disappear. Sorry but I cannot explain more than that here. Have a good day.


46 posted on 07/27/2013 7:08:15 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: ronnietherocket3
The tyrannical persecution did not happen in Rome, where the Church would have no temporal difficulty. Why did it not happen in Rome?

As to not sully the Holy See with blood.

The rest of Europe was bloody enough. Orders were given from the Vatican.

47 posted on 07/27/2013 7:10:05 PM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Which Bible?

My Bible. I have 5 or 6 versions but I prefer the NKJV at present. Please don't tell me the Catholics wrote the Bible because I really don't want to wade through that muck again.

48 posted on 07/27/2013 7:10:30 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: USS Johnston
I heed the words and promise of my Savior. That's all that matters. Take care you don't go the way of the Kingdom of Israel.
49 posted on 07/27/2013 7:10:43 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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To: USS Johnston
As to not sully the Holy See with blood. Seriously, they could just move the Jews to some place outside of the city and kill them there.
50 posted on 07/27/2013 7:11:59 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3
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