Posted on 07/27/2013 1:35:20 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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Right. But He didn't say, "I hereby anoint you Christ in Absentia."
He intended that Peter establish himself as Head Rabbi and leader of a church that would further spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This has nothing to do with title, as in 'Vicars of Christ,' 'Pontifex Maximus,' holding dominion over an Empire, wielding the power over all life and death, and the determining destination of all immortal souls with a mere wave of a hand, or word.
It is after all in the Bible and y’all believe in Sola Scriptura. If you claim that the RC Church does not have the keys, then who does? Did they disappear?
Nor does the Catholic Church believe that it has all power of life and death. Christ is the ultimate Judge. You ignore Isaiah 22:22. The keys of the House of David could be handed from generation to generation.
For centuries it's Pontiffs certainly acted in that manner. Moreover, those who are not Catholic are dismissed as infidels and unworthy as they are not members of what is perceived as THE "True Church."
You ignore Isaiah 22:22. The keys of the House of David could be handed from generation to generation.
I heed the words and promise of my Savior. That's all that matters.
-— The Bible is a compilation of different writers from different ages. It is the Word of God. My faith is in God and His Word.——
Which Bible?
Oh yes, the keys. It is in the Bible. Yes I believe that verse. But the Catholics and I cannot agree upon the meaning of that verse. I definitely believe the RCC do not have the keys (never have and never will). The keys are still valid. They did not disappear. Sorry but I cannot explain more than that here. Have a good day.
As to not sully the Holy See with blood.
The rest of Europe was bloody enough. Orders were given from the Vatican.
My Bible. I have 5 or 6 versions but I prefer the NKJV at present. Please don't tell me the Catholics wrote the Bible because I really don't want to wade through that muck again.
—— I heed the words and promise of my Savior. That’s all that matters.——
These?
Matthew 16:19 New International Version (NIV)
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be [a] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be [b] loosed in heaven.”
From Catholic Answers:
As the royal son of David, Christ is the owner of the key of David, but this doesn’t mean he can’t give to Peter, as his “prime minister,” the keys to his heavenly kingdom.
In the passage to which Revelation 3:7 alludes, Isaiah 22:20-23, Eliakim is made master of the palace, a post roughly equivalent to prime minister. As the king’s right-hand man, the master of the palace is given the “key of the House of David.”
Keys symbolize authority, so bestowing the key to the House of David upon Eliakim is equivalent to giving him, as the king’s duly appointed representative, authority over the kingdom.
Revelation 3:7 speaks of Jesus as the “holder of the key of David.” Some argue this means he fulfills the role Eliakim foreshadowed in Isaiah 22:20-23. They claim this excludes a prophetic application of this text to Peter by Christ in Matthew 16:18-19.
There’s a problem with this argument. In Isaiah 22 Eliakim is master of the palace—the king isn’t. Eliakim possesses the key of the kingdom not as its owner, but as one deputed to oversee the king’s affairs. If we apply this to Christ, then we must conclude he’s not the true messianic king, merely his prime minister, the Messiah’s chief representative!
Although Jesus is called the “holder of the key of David” in Revelation 3:7, he doesn’t hold it as Eliakim did. As the son of David, Jesus is the heir to the throne of his ancestor (Lk 1:32-33). He really is the king, not the master of the king’s palace, as was Eliakim. As king, Jesus is free to bestow the keys of his kingdom on whomever he wishes—without losing the authority those keys represent.
It’s the Catholic position that this is precisely what Jesus does in Matthew 16:18-19. Peter identifies Jesus as the Messiah, which means, among other things, acknowledging his kingship. Christ then shows his kingly authority by bestowing on Peter something only the king could give—the keys of the kingdom of heaven—thus making Peter the messianic equivalent of Eliakim.
By Isaiah 22:22, they can be handed down. Someone must have them, who?
Ask yourself what do the keys represent? What door(s) are they meant to open/lock? How many keys are there? When are they to be used? Answer these questions correctly and I’ll get back to you, Grasshopper.
Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox are both Catholic.
What “heretical” beliefs has the Roman Catholic Church adopted? God has allowed the Roman Catholic Church to stand for the last 2,000 years. He must not be too concerned with these “heretical” beliefs you are referring to.
“Please don’t tell me the Catholics wrote the Bible because I really don’t want to wade through that muck again”
The Bible is a Catholic document, compiled by Catholic scholars. Prove me wrong.
My apologies for lack of clarity. I intended to say the EO Church technically broke away from the Catholic Church. However, the EO church has not adopted any heretical beliefs and their faith is valid as the Catholic faith existed 1000 years ago.
Thanks for the post.
“And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
Salvation. Peace be with you.
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