History of the Catholic Church: From the Apostolic Age to the Third Millennium

http://www.amazon.com ^ | Deember 19, 2012 | James Hitchcock

[ronnietherocket3]

A primitive description of a natural phenomenon triggered by a supernatural phenomenon governed according to the scientific laws established by G-d.

A literal reading of Joshua would indicate that the Sun revolves around the Earth. This is contradicted by modern science. However, reading it as the Earth stopped rotating for a period of time would not be contradicted by modern science. So why does Joshua not say that Earth stopped rotating? Simple, that it was recorded as would be perceptible to humans at the time.

Mary could not have made the sun dance in Portugal or anywhere; she does not have that power. It would however be possible for G-d to do so. Nor do any reports say that it would be Mary that would cause it to happen. The accounts say that a miracle would occur.

[Zionist Conspirator]

A primitive description of a natural phenomenon triggered by a supernatural phenomenon governed according to the scientific laws established by G-d.

Then I suppose "natural laws" conceived your Nazarene prophet as well.

A literal reading of Joshua would indicate that the Sun revolves around the Earth. This is contradicted by modern science. However, reading it as the Earth stopped rotating for a period of time would not be contradicted by modern science. So why does Joshua not say that Earth stopped rotating? Simple, that it was recorded as would be perceptible to humans at the time.

I'm absolutely astounded. You believe it actually happened? My understanding was that Catholics dismissed it as a fairy tale.

Mary could not have made the sun dance in Portugal or anywhere; she does not have that power. It would however be possible for G-d to do so. Nor do any reports say that it would be Mary that would cause it to happen. The accounts say that a miracle would occur.

And yet you interpret the "miracle of the sun" in Portugal literally, and you refuse to interpret the miracle of Joshua literally. Ditto Genesis 1-11.

It's not just the first three chapters of Genesis you reject, is it? I assume you reject the entire opening section as mythology?

[ronnietherocket3]

Then I suppose "natural laws" conceived your Nazarene prophet as well.

Jesus was conceived according to the absolute powers of G-d. His growth in the womb; however, would have occurred according to G-d's ordered power.

I'm absolutely astounded. You believe it actually happened? My understanding was that Catholics dismissed it as a fairy tale.

A miracle happened; it might not have happened in the exact manner described in Joshua, but it happened. The underlying principle in the passage is that G-d aided the Israelites.

And yet you interpret the "miracle of the sun" in Portugal literally, and you refuse to interpret the miracle of Joshua literally. Ditto Genesis 1-11. The point of my statement was to deny Mary's power to cause a miracle to occur. The reports on the matter indicate she said a miracle would occur. I am wary of interpreting accounts of cosmic events literally as it is too easy for science to contradict them. In my view, the point of the flood narrative is to indicate that G-d will smite those who are wicked and save those whom he views favorably.

[Iscool]

I don’t respond to emails of those who pretend that they are sometimes Catholic, sometimes Baptist, sometimes Gnostic and then appear sporadically during Ramzan. I’ve got a nice list of this at the bottom of my profile page. Keep up the taqqiyah Iscool

I didn't send you an email...I did however respond to your inaccurate post...

[NKP_Vet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK3Dx29wCZE

When Christ spoke of the Church, He always used the singular — and yet now there are over 40,000 different denominations of Christians in the world, with the number only rising daily. If these Churches hold conflicting views, can all of them be the “True Church”? Can there be such a thing as a “True Church”, and does it still exist? Join host Michael Voris as he answers these questions and shows that the One True Church is the Catholic Church

[narses]

sasportas wrote:

The RCC is a paganized totalitarian impostor masquerading as the true church...

Mormon? Or Hubbardite?

[Iscool]

When Christ spoke of the Church, He always used the singular — and yet now there are over 40,000 different denominations of Christians in the world, with the number only rising daily. If these Churches hold conflicting views, can all of them be the “True Church”?

How do you guys ever expect to be credible when you constantly add to, delete from and misquote scripture???

Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches

That should settle that misinformation you had but I'll bet it doesn't...

The 'church' is not a denomination or an institution...We constantly tell you that and you continuously ignore it...A born again Christian is a Christian...He/she can attend any number of denominations...A person doesn't become a Christian because of an affiliation with a religion...A person becomes a Christian by a relationship with Jesus Christ...

Can there be such a thing as a “True Church”, and does it still exist?

Of course it does...But it doesn't have a pope...In fact, you can't see it...There are buildings called churches where Christians go to meet, but those are not the church...

The church is the people...More specifically, the church is the Christians who meet in these buildings we call churches...

Join host Michael Voris as he answers these questions and shows that the One True Church is the Catholic Church

I've listened to this guy a few times...I don't believe he's a Christian...He clearly doesn't know what the True church is...

[NKP_Vet]

Christ was speaking of the 7 congregations of Christians, i.e. CATHOLICS of the early Church. He was not speaking of a specific Church. The context refers to the community or local congregations of Christians living in each city. But they were all Catholic. The reason? Protestants didn’t exist for another 1,500 years.

[sasportas]

I must have hit a nerve, this is the second time you’ve quoted my assertion...

The RCC is a paganized totalitarian impostor masquerading as the true church.

You might prefer this one...

The RCC is not the church it is a political machine that took over the church.

At to “Mormon, Hubbardite?” As heretical as they are, they don’t have the long bloody totalitarian history you folks have. Mountain Meadow massacre can hardly compare to the St. Barholomew’s Day massacre, hardly to be compared to what you folks have done to Protestants.

True church, my eye.

[Cronos]

Cronos: I don’t respond to emails of those who pretend that they are sometimes Catholic, sometimes Baptist, sometimes Gnostic and then appear sporadically during Ramzan. I’ve got a nice list of this at the bottom of my profile page. Keep up the taqqiyah Iscool

Iscool: I did however respond

Thanks for admitting to the above, now go away, it's time for r fast

[Cronos]

The fact is that it is far truer than whatever beliefs you may hold, right?

[Cronos]

Sassy, still peddling the myth of a constantine derived philosophy? Sad, but any reading of history will disprove your posts

After Constantine adopted Christianity, orthodox Christians like St. Athanasius of Alexandria found themselves persecuted by the Arians.

The monastic movement continued the fight against secular rule over the Church, etc.

Modern Evangelicalism simply DID NOT exist before Constantine.

The Eastern Orthodox monks have continued the tradition of resisting secular authority to this day. So you are oversimplifying things if you try to make it seem that Constantine changed Christian theology.

Ante-Nicene and Post-Nicene theology are much the same.

Do you reject the First Council of Nicaea?

[MarkBsnr]

More sasporite - while admiring the god the mirror.

[terycarl]

but we know who will win in the end

not a chance 2,ooo years of history does not disappear because you wqant it to pay attention, read history, believe what has happend over the millineum, there were no lutherans, methodista, baptists, evangelicals, mormons,presbeterians, anything except Catholics at the beginning of the Christian movement.....join the true chuch....welcome home!!!

[sasportas]

Such foolishness warrants no response, besides this thread is at tail end Charlie stage. Bye now.

[terycarl]

Such foolishness warrants no response, besides this thread is at tail end Charlie stage. Bye now.

I couldn't defend your position either....there's only one true Christian church on earth and we all know what it is.