Skip to comments.Pope Francis on Gays: “Who Am I to Judge Them If They’re Seeking the Lord in Good Faith?”—UPDATED
Posted on 07/29/2013 11:56:41 AM PDT by NYer
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If only the orientation is present, and not the behavior or the self-advertising, then there is nothing to be observed, judged, or objected to.
I like this pope a lot.
Methinks the MSM had best wait a bit and see what this Pope has to say about gay priests that choose to pack fudge...especially with children.
We all should not judge...but when one is holding the badge of an organization, one either fulfills the obligations of that badge...or one leaves. And I fully believe that this pope thinks this way also.
Praying your bf isn’t HIV positive or has full blown AIDS don’t count!
Pope Francis the Fondler. Homosexuals have infiltrated
the Catholic church and taken over. Boy Scouts, The Catholic
church, AMA and the federal government are now controlled by
the homosexuals and their agenda.
Homos are the minions of satan.
Unless he’s God he’s on the right track.
“Francis was much more conciliatory, saying gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.”
Sounds familiar. “Go, and sin no more.”
If any sinner is seeking forgiveness and redemption then it is not for us to judge them. That is biblical (Matt. 7:3 and other places)
The Pope did not address head-on the recalcitrant, self-righteous, in-your-face self-promoting gays we’ve been dealing with here.
does he have that policy for pedophiles too?
If a person decides to live his or her life contrary to God and His law, how can that person be said to be "seeking the Lord in good faith?" How can this statement be reconciled?
Sometimes I think it is not worth the trouble to save those lost souls.
But I guess the Pope feels duty bound to try.
It's sad to see evidence that the Pope is seemingly "unaware" of passages in the Holy Bible concerning judging others, particularly where biblically condemned same-sex sexual relationships are concerned. More spefically, reflecting on Jesus' words concerning unrepentant sinners in Matthew 18:15-17, Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 5:12-13 that church members are expected judge other church members.
This makes homosexuality sound normal, as though it is just a different flavor of the normal.
I think that homosexuals and men who want to have sex with little children are sick and abnormal, and that if you learn that they are having such desires, then they are already someone that you want to marginalize and keep out of some work, such as Priest or Scout leader.
If you dont know that a potential or practicing Priest is homosexual then there is nothing to discuss or think about, but if he is so deep into his sexuality that people learn about the sick, unnatural sexual desires that he is fighting, then he needs to be marginalized.
No matter what, this is a statement which helps people to accept homosexuality as normal, it further undercuts resistance to the homosexual agenda and signals to everyone, especially Catholics, to lighten up on the gay stuff both within and without the Catholic denomination and the Catholic voters sure dont need to hear that message in America.
It seems to me the Pope's comment is congruent to yours. "...Seeking the Lord in Good Faith" suggests they are changing to be in the good grace of the Lord. That is, they are repentant and reformed. Note, "being gay" is no more a sin than being afflicted with Down Syndrome. It's the knowledge and behavior the begets sin.
We are not suppose to judge the souls. That is for God. But we can judge behavior and speculate on what God thinks of that behavior. That said, true Reconciliation starts in the heart, of which only God knows the purity of intent. A murderer that confesses his sins but does not "firmly intend, with God's help, to sin no more and avoid anything that leads to sin" is NOT necessarily forgiven. But that is God's place through the Holy Spirit, not even the Pope's.
Actually we are told TO judge, unless we are engaged in the same behavior. How can a Christian try to lead a righteous life, or try and bring people to Christ, without judging between right and wrong behaviors?
Well,. there goes any hope this Roman Catholic had of this Pope cleaning out the Church. It is evidently SO infected with homosexuals and deviants that to reform it in any way is seen as suicidal.
I’d rather have TWO-TWO Roman Catholic priests on the planet who LIVED their vows, than the thousands of illegitimate ‘priests’ we have now. I do not-and will never- consider homosexual priests as legitimate priests. Pedophilia aside, I don’t want priest having sex with other adults or each other either! Can’t adhere to the vows=don’t take them. Break them and you are NOT a priest.
I think it is truly fascinating, almost spiritual, to see so many folks hear different things in what the Pope said. The same words are taken individually to mean specific things.
I think Jesus would say, the words are heard as a reflection of the individual who hears them.