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Mt. Athos Monks Battle Police Over Eviction [tossed Molotov Cocktails and rocks at bailiffs]
greekreporter.com ^ | Monday 29 July 2013 | Andy Dabilis

Posted on 07/29/2013 4:47:24 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Mt. Athos Monks Battle Police Over Eviction

By on July 29, 2013 in News
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An earlier clash between the Mt. Athos monks and police

An earlier clash between the Mt. Athos monks and police

Angry monks at the Esphigmenou Monastery in the monastic community of Mount Athos in northern Greece, refusing to obey an eviction order, tossed Molotov Cocktails and rocks at bailiffs attempting to serve them on July 29, chasing them off the premises of the famed peninsula.

“The monks of Esphigmenou Monastery who are in the residential quarters and are in a defense position to defend it, threw some objects from inside out. We are expecting the intervention of the prosecutor from Thessaloniki. We are expecting the police to offer a political peaceful and calm solution, otherwise things will happen that will blacken Greece’s image abroad,” a spokesperson for the rebel monks, Iraklis Moraitis, told the state-run Athens-Macedonia New Agency.

The monks of Esphigmenou Monastery have been declared an illegal brotherhood by the spiritual leader of the Greek Orthodox Church, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomeos, over a dispute regarding improving ties with the Catholic Church, which the monks vehemently oppose.

In 2002 Bartholomeos ordered their eviction from the 10th-Century Mount Athos monastery but they refused to obey.  Moraitis said that the eviction order delivered to them last week was aimed at having them vacate the premises so that the management of the monastic community can get its hands on the monastery’s assets.

The Church doesn’t recognize the position of those inside the monastery as monks and a war of words has lingered for years between the leaders of the Greek Orthodox Church and the ultra-Orthodox self-styled monks inside the monastery.



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: catholic; monks; mountathos; orthodox
Hmmmm....
1 posted on 07/29/2013 4:47:24 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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The monks of Esphigmenou Monastery have been declared an illegal brotherhood by the spiritual leader of the Greek Orthodox Church, Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomeos, over a dispute regarding improving ties with the Catholic Church, which the monks vehemently oppose. In 2002 Bartholomeos ordered their eviction from the 10th-Century Mount Athos monastery but they refused to obey. Moraitis said that the eviction order delivered to them last week was aimed at having them vacate the premises so that the management of the monastic community can get its hands on the monastery’s assets. The Church doesn’t recognize the position of those inside the monastery as monks and a war of words has lingered for years between the leaders of the Greek Orthodox Church and the ultra-Orthodox self-styled monks inside the monastery.

Ah, the fruits of the Great Schism.

2 posted on 07/29/2013 4:51:55 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: Alex Murphy

Feisty monks.


3 posted on 07/29/2013 4:55:54 PM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Send in Ironman. Ok, well, just play Ozzy....Real loud.

Wrap the building with shrink wrap and throw in a few
burritos.

Don’t cut the water off, just up the pressure to 400psi.


4 posted on 07/29/2013 4:58:27 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

What is the issue between the Orthodox and the Catholic Church anyway


5 posted on 07/29/2013 5:03:05 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: All

6 posted on 07/29/2013 5:06:59 PM PDT by Liz
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To: yldstrk

Papal primacy, some doctrinal issues.


7 posted on 07/29/2013 5:10:20 PM PDT by Argus
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To: yldstrk
Friday, 4 May, 2001, 07:37 GMT 08:37 UK
Greek fury over Pope visit
Demonstration
Orthodox clerics demonstrate against the Pope's visit
By Paul Wood in Athens

The visit of Pope John Paul II to Greece is the first by a Pontiff in almost 1000 years and has sparked fervent anti-Papal feeling among many Orthodox Greeks.

The 80-year-old pontiff's brief visit to Athens comes as part of a millennial pilgrimage retracing the path of the Apostle Paul from Syria to Malta.


Even Saint Cosmas said the Pope should be damned because he will be the cause of all evil

Father Maximus
The Pope's arrival is expected to be greeted by protests from anarchists and hardliners from the Greek Orthodox Church, the country's official religion.

Hundreds of religious protesters who gathered in central Athens last week under banners declaring "Out with the two-horned Pope" and Orthodox monks held an all-night vigil on Mount Olympus to pray that the pontiff would not come.

The union of Greek clerics is planning a mass bell-ringing protest during the Pope's 24-hour stay.

Anti-pope symbol
Hardliners claim welcoming the Pope means dishonouring the Orthodox church
The Church leadership, meanwhile, has come under fire from clerics, monks and its more conservative membership for bowing - albeit grudgingly - to government pressure to welcome the Pope.

"You have demolished the holy canon, you have insulted the saints who fought the Pope, and opened the door for heavy wolves to enter the Church," declares an open letter from the protestors.

Surprise invitation

The Greek President Costis Stephanopoulos's invitation to the Pope appeared to take both the Greek media and the government by surprise.

Papal "offences" against Orthodoxy
1054 "Great Schism" dividing Christianity
1204 The sacking of Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade
The Inquisition
The Vatican's recognition of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
The Vatican immediately made it public and the Greek Foreign Minister George Papandreou was forced to issue a statement stressing that the Pontiff would be coming in his capacity as head of state - an apparent attempt to head off a row with the Greek Orthodox Church.

The Greek Church's outspoken leader, Archbishop Christodoulos, was later persuaded to agree to the visit.

Archbishop Christodoulos's decision breaks a thousand-year-old tradition of hostility which has existed since the "Great Schism" of 1054 split Christianity into Eastern and Western branches.

They have not forgiven the Pope for a long list of "offences" - from the Great Schism itself right up to the Vatican's recognition of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

Anti-Pope prophesy

Some of the protestors believe that the Greek Orthodox Saint Cosmas sent them a prophetic warning about the Pope.


When the Orthodox speak of the Fourth Crusade, you'd think it was an event of World War II

Roman Catholic Archbishop in Greece
"We were informed about his years ago by Saint Cosmas," an old woman in black headscarf said.

"He warned that total catastrophe will come from the Pope himself. He is as much of a heretic as it is possible to be."

Father Maximus, who organised some of the protests agreed: "Although one should never condemn a person, even Saint Cosmas said the Pope should be damned because he will be cause of all evil."

Around 50,000 of Greece's 10 million population are thought to be Roman Catholic, with another 200,000 among Greece's foreign residents.

The Pope
Greek Roman Catholic leaders expect the Pope to try to mend the rift between the churches
Many will attend a speech to be given by the Pope in a large stadium in an Athens suburb on Saturday.

Last spring, Pope John Paul II apologised for any offences committed by Catholic faithful, and the Roman Catholic Archbishop in Greece, Nicholas of Athens, told a local newspaper that the Pope might use the trip to try to heal the historic breach with the Orthodox Church.

"Many of us - including me - are expecting something will happen. Pope John Paul II has accustomed people to such breaks [with the past]. I don't know the specifics right now, but I would not rule out some kind of a surprise," the Archbishop said.

But he said this would not immediately wipe out the many historical grievances voiced by the Orthodox faithful.

"This historical past burdens Greece and cannot be erased from one day to the other. When the Orthodox speak of the Fourth Crusade, you'd think it was an event of World War II."


8 posted on 07/29/2013 5:12:39 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Athonite tradition attributes the foundation of the monastery to the Byzantine Emperor Theodosius II and his sister Pulcheria during the 5th century.

You'd think by now they'd have had that mortgage paid off.

9 posted on 07/29/2013 5:18:15 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (It's been over 90 days; time to start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: yldstrk
What is the issue between the Orthodox and the Catholic Church anyway

It's a doozy. In the year 1054 Pope Leo IX's representative, Cardinal Humbert deposited a Bull of Excommunication against Michael Cerularius, Patriarch of Constantinople, on the altar at Hagia Sophia just before worship would commence. That act initiated the Great Schism between the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christian Churches, which would go on for a thousand years.


10 posted on 07/29/2013 5:22:48 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: Alex Murphy

Thank you for posting that time line. That certainly answers a lot of questions I had.


11 posted on 07/29/2013 5:34:30 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Alex Murphy

That’s an Orthodox timeline which makes the Greek Church the one & only in the True Christianity department, and relegates all the others to the outer darkness of heresy.

Kinda like how the Mormons see Christians. And BTW is there only sweetness & light between the Russian Church & the Greek Church in that timeline? You know, those folks who call Moscow the “Third Rome”?

Those bearded Greeks ready to riot over the Pope’s arrival need to realize that appearances count. Some look rather Islamic, don’t you know?


12 posted on 07/29/2013 5:56:41 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Alex Murphy; Brian Kopp DPM

Heck, I have seen similar things in churches and parishes all over the US.

My second cousin gave my home church in Nebraska a million dollars in his will. I suspect that they will end up fighting about the money soon.

So Doc, are they fighting over the ecumenical talks or just fighting?


13 posted on 07/29/2013 5:58:35 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Yet Pope Francis invited the head of the Orthodox churches to his installation as Pope and if my memory serves me correct, he had wrapped around his hand while he was in Brazil last week for WYD a prayer rope that the Orthodox use in their prayers.


14 posted on 07/29/2013 6:19:22 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Alex Murphy

It was I believe on the issues of both the Holy Spirit and how holy communion bread is to be made. Catholics have have unleaven, Orthodox and I could be wrong, do not. Correct me if needed. Thank-you.


15 posted on 07/29/2013 6:22:41 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: elcid1970

Allegiances to physical phenomena in the world can be powerful and the Orthodox are not the only believers in that boat. Warning might be taken from the way Jesus warned the Jews not to brag about being (physically descended) children of Abraham because God can raise more of them “from the stones.”


16 posted on 07/29/2013 7:26:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

John the Baptist said “Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.


17 posted on 07/29/2013 7:53:43 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: Alex Murphy
OPC
18 posted on 07/29/2013 7:57:53 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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Alright all you Monks hands up. Every Monk who is a Monk, punch a Monk who ain't a Monk. How do you stand in Monks hands up?

Trinity

19 posted on 07/29/2013 8:08:22 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: yldstrk

I don’t dare try to explain the doctrinal issues, but one thing to say is that this division is deeply felt - especially by some Orthodox people. They feel very critical of the Catholic church, and also very angry, and constantly that they must be on their guard, lest the Papacy, or the Catholic missionaries, encroach upon them.

A very profound sense of difference.


20 posted on 07/29/2013 8:44:57 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: the_daug

Thank you for the exact quotation


21 posted on 07/29/2013 11:22:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: BlackVeil

Both proudly trace a physical congregational continuity to the early church. Seems to me to be a deep seated touchiness in both communions. A more “evangelical” point of view, which depends less on human institutions and more on the universality of faith consistent with early witness, would free both of them from most if not all of the bitterness. Many modern Baptist congregations, for instance, could boast, if they wanted, in their physical lineage (to the Church of England, to the Roman Catholic church, to the early church), but they don’t; they are fairly allergic to that kind of theology, and it appears that this disdain for it has very salutary effects.


22 posted on 07/29/2013 11:33:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: BlackVeil; yldstrk
Roman Catholics and Eastern Greek Orthodox churches accuse the other of false doctrines both base upon tradition:

    The Catholics reject several of the specific canons of the early ecumenical councils, but the Orthodox accept them as inspired.

    Catholics and Orthodox disagree on the dates of Christmas and Easter.

    While the Orthodox church claims council at Nice was inspired, yet it rejects the canons of Nicea on the date of Easter which the Catholics accept.

    Universal papal jurisdiction was a rather large dogfight in 588-606 AD.

    Although the Orthodox reject Papal infallibility, the decisions of the orthodox synods are considered infallible.

    The Immaculate Conception is utterly rejected by the Orthodox.

    The orthodox baptized by full immersion (thrice), the Catholics sprinkle.

    In the Orthodox Church married men can become priests. In the Catholic church men are forbidden to marry. (except for one small part of the world)

    The Roman Catholic church introduced instrumental music no earlier than the 7th century and the Orthodox church has never used instrumental music, but like the apostles, sang without instrument.

    In Catholic communion, the cup is withheld from the members, while the Orthodox float the "crouton looking" bread cubes in the wine. Catholics believe the bread and wine (transubstantiation) become the literal body of Christ when the priest says, "this is my body". The Orthodox disagrees and says the change takes place at prayer. Catholics use unleavened bread, while Orthodox use leavened bread. Orthodox must keep a ridged schedule of fasts in order to have communion every week, but the most common practice is a minimum of four times a year during the four Orthodox Lents "Christmas, Easter, Peter and Paul, The virgin Mary. Catholics on the other hand, must not eat the hour before, to have communion every day. In the end, Orthodox offer communion weekly and Catholics daily. In practice most Orthodox laity have communion four times year and Catholics weekly. So which of these two traditions is the one the apostles used? All this proves that they have no valid "apostolic tradition", otherwise they would all agree! They differ on the frequency of communion, the fasting requirements and the actual method of partaking.

    Transubstantiation is a false doctrine that says the bread and grape juice of the Lord's supper actually molecularly change to become the flesh and blood of Jesus. Of course this old doctrine was formulated before the advent of molecular microscopes which see no change. For Catholics the "Transubstantiation" occurs when the priest says the words, "this is my body". For Orthodox the change occurs when the priest offers the prayer of thanks.

    The "Filioque" scandal: Following the Nicene creed, the Orthodox Church believed the Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father alone. Then in 1054 AD the Roman church added to the wording of the Nicene creed "And the Son" or the "Filioque." The Roman church believed the Holy Spirit proceeded from BOTH the Father and the Son.

    Orthodox keeps the original Nicene Creed, accepted by the Universal Church, East and West, during the first millennium without the addition of "And the Son" or the "Filioque." It accepts, on faith, Christ's words in the Gospel, that the Father is the Unoriginate Source of the Life of the Trinity, with the Only-Begotten Son and the Holy Spirit Proceeding from the Father Alone. We cannot know how the Begetting of the Son and the Proceeding of the Spirit from the same Father is different, only that it is and this distinguishes the two Persons. From: http://www.bible.ca/catholic-vs-orthodox.htm


23 posted on 07/29/2013 11:43:25 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Now that’s zeal!


24 posted on 07/30/2013 3:15:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: boatbums

If they don’t believe in the Immaculate Conception, why all this Theotokos stuff


25 posted on 07/30/2013 4:55:14 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: redgolum
Heck, I have seen similar things in churches and parishes all over the US.

Southern Baptists launch pre-emptive strikes against Assemblies of God

26 posted on 07/30/2013 6:53:35 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: yldstrk

Theotokos, “God-bearer,” is a statement about the nature of Jesus Christ. The Greek Orthodox call the Virgin Mary “Panagia,” which means “All-Holy,” although they do not, as far as I understand, exactly affirm the Immaculate Conception. This is (further disclaimer regarding my possibly being wrong) because of differences in the understanding of Original Sin. Or maybe they’re more like differences in expressing the understanding of Original Sin.

I wonder what Greeks call flaming gas projectiles ... it can’t be “Molotov cocktails”!


27 posted on 07/30/2013 8:29:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: yldstrk
If they don’t believe in the Immaculate Conception, why all this Theotokos stuff

The Roman Catholic Church's dogma called the "Immaculate Conception" refers to the idea that Mary was conceived without a sin nature and that she never sinned in her earthly life. This is not the same doctrine of Jesus, the Messiah, being born of a virgin. The Orthodox Church (of which I am not a member, JFTR) does believe in the Virgin birth and sinlessness of Jesus. Where they differ from the Catholic Church is in the dogma concerning Mary.

28 posted on 07/30/2013 12:29:03 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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