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PCUSA rejects popular hymn “In Christ Alone”
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Posted on 07/30/2013 5:30:30 AM PDT by Gamecock

I saw this over at Denny Burk’s blog today. Apparently the reason the Presbyterian Church USA doesn’t like “In Christ Alone (one of my favorites), is because of that unpopular, un-politically correct word, “Wrath.” As we’ve pointed out many times here at SUFTT, the more sin is watered down, the less we have of the true Gospel. In other words – no sin = FALSE gospel. The PCUSA has been going down a concerning path for quite some time now, and it appears that this is just another symptom of the problem the devil delights in: a departure from Truth to appeal to the world. Here’s the article: PCUSA rejects popular hymn “In Christ Alone”

Timothy George explains why the Presbyterian Church USA has recently rejected the hymn “In Christ Alone” from its new hymnal:

Recently, the wrath of God became a point of controversy in the decision of the Presbyterian Committee on Congregational Song to exclude from its new hymnal the much-loved song “In Christ Alone” by Keith Getty and Stuart Townend. The Committee wanted to include this song because it is being sung in many churches, Presbyterian and otherwise, but they could not abide this line from the third stanza: “Till on that cross as Jesus died/the wrath of God was satisfied.” For this they wanted to substitute: “…as Jesus died/the love of God was magnified.” The authors of the hymn insisted on the original wording, and the Committee voted nine to six that “In Christ Alone” would not be among the eight hundred or so items in their new hymnal.

There is no surprise in this news. Although not all PCUSA churches are theologically liberal, the denomination by and large is. Liberalism and wrath go together like oil and water; they don’t mix. And historically speaking, one of them eventually has to go. When wrath goes, so does the central meaning of the atonement of Christ—penal substitution. At the end of the day, the cross itself is the stumbling block, and that is why the PCUSA cannot abide this hymn.

You can read the rest of George’s article here. You can read the lyrics below.

In Christ alone my hope is found;
He is my light, my strength, my song;
This cornerstone, this solid ground,
Firm through the fiercest drought and storm.
What heights of love, what depths of peace,
When fears are stilled, when strivings cease!
My comforter, my all in all—
Here in the love of Christ I stand.

In Christ alone, Who took on flesh,
Fullness of God in helpless babe!
This gift of love and righteousness,
Scorned by the ones He came to save.
Till on that cross as Jesus died,
The wrath of God was satisfied;
For ev’ry sin on Him was laid—
Here in the death of Christ I live.

There in the ground His body lay,
Light of the world by darkness slain;
Then bursting forth in glorious day,
Up from the grave He rose again!
And as He stands in victory,
Sin’s curse has lost its grip on me;
For I am His and He is mine—
Bought with the precious blood of Christ.

No guilt in life, no fear in death—
This is the pow’r of Christ in me;
From life’s first cry to final breath,
Jesus commands my destiny.
No pow’r of hell, no scheme of man,
Can ever pluck me from His hand;
Till He returns or calls me home—
Here in the pow’r of Christ I’ll stand.

“In Christ Alone” Words and Music by Keith Getty & Stuart Townend Copyright © 2001 Kingsway Thankyou Music


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1 posted on 07/30/2013 5:30:30 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: All

I’ll bet they have an issue with the term “In Christ alone” as well.


2 posted on 07/30/2013 5:31:50 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...
GRPL Ping


3 posted on 07/30/2013 5:33:13 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Gamecock
I thought PCUSA would object to the "alone" part of "In Christ alone". I guess they're not ready to openly take that step - yet. Not until they fix John 14:6.

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

4 posted on 07/30/2013 5:33:58 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Gamecock

wow-if they don’t like God’s “wrath”, they better not read the Bible!


5 posted on 07/30/2013 5:35:39 AM PDT by homegroan (Never make someone a priority when all you are to them is an option....)
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To: Gamecock

From what I’ve read, the Pagan Church USA gave that concept up decades ago.


6 posted on 07/30/2013 5:37:17 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Gamecock
This one was probably deleted a long time ago

WINDHAM

Broad is the road that leads to death,
And thousands walk together there.
But wisdom shows a narrow path,
With here and there a traveler.

The fearful soul that tires and faints,
And walks the ways of God no more.
Is but esteemed almost a saint,
And makes his own destruction sure.

7 posted on 07/30/2013 5:41:53 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Windham
8 posted on 07/30/2013 5:48:35 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Gamecock

“In Christ Alone” is one of the few modern songs my congregation regularly sings.

Based on what I’ve seen, PC USA is all about “Social Justice Jesus.”
Here is an awesome and relevant tweet from Pirate Christian Radio sent only a few minutes ago. If I knew how to paste a picture I would.

http://twitter.com/piratechristian/status/362186330215702528/photo/1


9 posted on 07/30/2013 5:49:31 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Gamecock

Luke 19:26-27 MKJV

(26) For I say to you that to everyone who has, more will be given. And from him who has not, even that which he has will be taken from him.
(27) But those who are my enemies, who did not desire that I should reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.


10 posted on 07/30/2013 5:55:06 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Gamecock

Keith & Kristyn Getty - “In Christ Alone”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLy8ksqGf9w


11 posted on 07/30/2013 6:02:03 AM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Gamecock

I would have expected them to put it in their hymnbook with modified lyrics. That’s common enough.


12 posted on 07/30/2013 6:03:16 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means.")
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To: Gamecock

Great song. As a gift, we had a professional calligrapher write the last verse, then we had it matted and framed for a friend who was facing cancer treatments. It was the “perfect” gift for her situation.

No guilt in life, no fear in death—
This is the pow’r of Christ in me;
From life’s first cry to final breath,
Jesus commands my destiny.
No pow’r of hell, no scheme of man,
Can ever pluck me from His hand;
Till He returns or calls me home—
Here in the pow’r of Christ I’ll stand.


13 posted on 07/30/2013 6:04:18 AM PDT by memyselfandi59
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To: Gamecock

Sing the Psalms.


14 posted on 07/30/2013 6:06:08 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Gamecock
Gah. The PCUSA can have their new and improved wrathless God. I'll stick to the Faith Once Delivered to the Saints:

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to
grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days,
and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

15 posted on 07/30/2013 6:06:54 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Lee N. Field
You can't really "fix" a hymn like that. Replacing that one verse doesn't do the job. That's a serious hymn, which teaches a complex theological proposition.

What these people want is either the endless repetition of a banality, or some sort of mushy "Jesus is my Boyfriend" drivel.

16 posted on 07/30/2013 6:07:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Gamecock

Guarantee thay won’t be putting the Louvin Brothers’ “Broadminded” in their hymnals any time soon.

http://decoda.com/the-louvin-brothers-broadminded-lyrics


17 posted on 07/30/2013 6:08:23 AM PDT by Jim Hill
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To: Gamecock

“Apparently the reason the Presbyterian Church USA doesn’t like “In Christ Alone (one of my favorites), is because of that unpopular, un-politically correct word, “Wrath.””

The reason the Presbyterian Church USA doesn’t like “In Christ Alone” is they shun the FEAR OF THE LORD.

JOHN 3:19-21

19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.


18 posted on 07/30/2013 6:09:07 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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To: Jim Hill
That's another one that can't be "fixed". Its theological point is clear and unmistakable.

I disagree with much of its theological point, but that's another matter.

19 posted on 07/30/2013 6:10:33 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Gamecock

PC should stand for “Politically Correct” instead of “Presbyterian Church” in the name of this group.


20 posted on 07/30/2013 6:11:45 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: PieterCasparzen
They woudn't like that either.
21 posted on 07/30/2013 6:12:10 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Pollster1

President Obama has said he flat out rejects that line. He’s no Christian and the media pretended he was. He’s had more training as a muslim than he has as a Christian (unless you count 20 years of Come To Jesus and Goddamn the USA from Reverend Jeremiah “former muslim himself” Wright).


22 posted on 07/30/2013 6:14:23 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Gamecock

They might also have a problem with “GRACE ALONE.” I have to pull out a tissue every time we sing it.


23 posted on 07/30/2013 6:14:37 AM PDT by Tucker39
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To: preacher

PCUSA seems to get their talking points from CPUSA (Communist Party USA).


24 posted on 07/30/2013 6:15:00 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Larry Lucido; F15Eagle

I like Christian rock. It’s very positive. It’s not like those real musicians who think they’re so cool and hip.


25 posted on 07/30/2013 6:17:31 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: ArrogantBustard
That's a serious hymn, which teaches a complex theological proposition.

I have found that to be the case with most if not all the Getty's work. Certainly a significant departure from a lot of todays Christian Pablum masquerading as serious music.

26 posted on 07/30/2013 6:37:42 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: a fool in paradise
President Obama has said he flat out rejects that line. He’s no Christian and the media pretended he was.

I miss the media reports on how many people "incorrectly" fail to identify Obama as a Christian; even as recently as a year ago: "just 34 percent of Americans correctly identify Obama as a Christian". I am a Christian. I've read and studied the Bible for decades. While there are a broad range of understandings that I accept as reasonable, I have never met a Christian who honestly interprets scripture as anything like Obama's positions. Obama is very clearly on the other side in the battle between good and evil.

As for lines in the Bible that are difficult, I know the feeling, although I respond very differently from those who claim to speak for God but from the far left. There are several passages that I find confusing, challenging, or otherwise disconcerting. My general assumption, which should make sense to any Christian, is that if my views disagree with God's, I should re-read the Bible and see if I misunderstood. If I understood the Bible correctly and still want to act differently, I'm wrong and will try to follow God's word. It's not hard. Life doesn't get any better than following the Creator of the universe. He is far more likely to make the most perfect decisions possible for my life than I am, and so far He has done a much better job than I could possibly have done alone. I just have to look at Obama, Weiner, Clinton, and the rest of those who follow darkness instead of Light - there but for the grace of God go I.

27 posted on 07/30/2013 6:47:49 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Gamecock

With their shoes!!


28 posted on 07/30/2013 7:04:43 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Gamecock

A lot of the PCUSA churches have left the denomination in the last year.


29 posted on 07/30/2013 7:11:34 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: .45 Long Colt
"“In Christ Alone” is one of the few modern songs my congregation regularly sings."

One of the rare new songs I actually think is very good.

30 posted on 07/30/2013 7:14:16 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Gamecock

A great hymm, my church choir has sung it and I have heard it. It teaches about Jesus.


31 posted on 07/30/2013 7:25:36 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Gamecock

It’s like I heard from an old Holiness preacher once, “You might as well board up the windows of the church and write ‘Ichabod’ above the doorposts.”

(For those not sure what I mean, the word ‘Ichabod’ is Hebrew for ‘the glory has departed’.)


32 posted on 07/30/2013 7:28:39 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Gamecock

This is not just the PC, it is spreading throughout the main line Church’s. The Dominion Heresy teach’s a non scriptural “happy clappy” theology that is morphing Churches from worship of God to worship of self. In the end, the false teaching of a “Great Revival” in the face of Christs statement of “When I return, will I find faith” will end up creating the Harlot that Rides the Beast, the False Church of the end times.

The teaching that in the end the Church will inherit the wealth of the sinners, wrest the reigns of control over the earth and deliver a redeemed earth for Christs return will play easily into the hands of the Anti-Christ.

We are watching the final Apostasy in the last days before our very eyes!


33 posted on 07/30/2013 7:58:38 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"What these people want is either the endless repetition of a banality, or some sort of mushy "Jesus is my Boyfriend" drivel."

I call it 'prom date' music. I don't want to jump in the back seat of my car and fog up the windows with God.

A good, but not exclusive, rule of thumb is to count the personal pronouns. We played a song in church on Sunday where references to the seeker outnumbered references to the Savior by more than three to one. It's okay to ask whether that song belongs in church and be honest about the answer.

34 posted on 07/30/2013 8:03:03 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Gamecock

Shouldn’t that read, “CPUSA (communist Party)”?!


35 posted on 07/30/2013 8:29:17 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Gamecock

I’ve thought, that should one be a Christian, that the ‘whole book, and nary a part removed’, would be someone’s stance.

If I remember right, the shedding of blood, (which this ‘wrath thing’ is the cornerstone), began when God, had to kill some created animals, to get the coverings for the self-professed ‘nekid’ humans, in the Garden. (Polyester wasn’t available yet.)

To say that someone doesn’t like ‘God’s Wrath’, for example only, doesn’t really know, care, or wish to learn, what that truly entails. They like the ‘God loves us’ thing, but denies that there is more than that on the plate!

I think I read that when ol’ Israel, in the ol’ part of the whole book, got out of line, cities burned, folks died, children were dashed against walls, the food was gone ... you get the picture. That’s NOT exactly the ‘God loves us’ thing in action, no?


36 posted on 07/30/2013 8:39:49 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Colonel_Flagg
We played a song in church on Sunday where references to the seeker outnumbered references to the Savior by more than three to one.

Ah, yes ... the great classic hymns "How Great I Am" and "Amazing Me" ...

It's okay to ask whether that song belongs in church and be honest about the answer.

Most of it is not only bad hymnody, it's bad campfire music.

37 posted on 07/30/2013 8:41:15 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Ah, yes ... the great classic hymns "How Great I Am" and "Amazing Me" ..."

Okay, that made me snort. Thanks for that.

38 posted on 07/30/2013 8:43:26 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Gamecock

Hymnals are so old school. A church wasting money on hymnals in this day of multi-media needs to have its head examined. The old ones are in the old books. Keep those books.

The new ones are everywhere. Simply use them with a license via multi-media.

If you want to sing “In Christ Alone” which we do in our local church (Methodist), then do so with a bullet and an attitude!

The best way to tell these people they’re idiots is simply not to buy their books. They are NOT NECESSARY!


39 posted on 07/30/2013 8:50:22 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lee N. Field
I would have expected them to put it in their hymnbook with modified lyrics. That’s common enough.

"In Christ Alone" isn't in the public domain, though, and according to the article, the authors didn't allow the change.

40 posted on 07/30/2013 9:00:53 AM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: RansomOttawa
he authors didn't allow the change.

good for them.

So they can't get away with something like what Rev. Schuller did with Amazing Grace. Good.

41 posted on 07/30/2013 10:10:50 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means.")
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To: xzins

My church had a 10 page bulletin. We print them in there.


42 posted on 07/30/2013 11:29:12 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Pollster1
The MSM/DNC’s labeling Obama was all about keeping the church going black voters on the plantation. It was also a continuation of Pelosi’s post-2004 plan to “close the God gap” in politics by framing Democrat agenda items in religious terms. So we must all must tithe to the State.
43 posted on 07/30/2013 11:32:52 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Gamecock

Yep. It’s too easy.

I honestly think in our era that hymnbooks are a thing of the past, and big expenditures for them is a waste of church money.


44 posted on 07/30/2013 11:34:00 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Gamecock
Those are great lyrics, but I the music doesn't float my boat. As far as I'm concerned, the last hymns with good music were Carolyn Freeman's "Back of the Clouds" (1931), John Vanderhoven's "By the Sea of Crystal" (1933), Bertha Lillenas' "Jesus is Always There" (1934), and Ethelwyn Taylor's "Calvary Covers It All" (1934).
45 posted on 07/30/2013 12:58:50 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: xzins; Gamecock

It’s true that sheet music can for hymns can be downloaded from sites such as Hymmtime.com and then printed in the bulletin. but I still make use of the hymn books—not only for the music, but for bibliographical information, scriptural references, etc.


46 posted on 07/30/2013 1:15:40 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill; Gamecock

In my opinion, the old hymn book will suffice for the old hymns, and multi-media will do all one asks for the newer songs.

So, imho, hymnbooks are a has-been.

More importantly, they are a way for a pastor in one of these brain-dead denomination to tell the hymn-committees to go suck on rotten eggs.


47 posted on 07/30/2013 1:27:06 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

While we’re at it, let’s get rid of the pew Bibles as well. In this age of smart phones, Ipads and Biblegateway.com, who needs actual physical Bibles?


48 posted on 07/30/2013 1:46:53 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: PieterCasparzen
I like Lowell Mason's rendition of Psalm 118: The Glorious Gates of Righteousness.
49 posted on 07/30/2013 1:51:53 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill; P-Marlowe

Does a bible and a hymnbook have the same divine inspiration and authority or is one different than the other?

I have no problem with bibles on ipads if that’s what the congregant wishes to use. I also have no problem with putting scripture on the screen. I really have no problem with folks’ bibles being digital instead of print.

There is nothing irreligious about that. It is simply a different media, and no different than a handwritten versus a printed copy.

My only caveat with the bible would be the desire to have a hard copy in case the electricity went kaput or some wicked government decided to wipe out all books or types of books.


50 posted on 07/30/2013 2:08:43 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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