Skip to comments.Pope Francis and Gays: “Loving the Sinner” Is Still Intolerance (Thanks for clarifying that, Time)
Posted on 07/30/2013 11:25:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
It's hardly surprising that the world, especially Roman Catholics like myself, is breathlessly decoding what Pope Francis told reporters on his flight back to Rome from Brazil on Monday regarding homosexuality: If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?
The Popes remarks... hardly represent a break with Catholic church doctrine, which still condemns homosexuality. The Vaticans catechismal stance regarding the LGBTs in our midst remains the same: The church may love the sinner, but it hates the sin. And since Francis was referring specifically to gay priestswho like other Catholic clerics take a vow of celibacy and so dont commit the sin His Holiness wasnt exactly going out on a theological limb.
But at a time when the world is increasingly accepting gay rights and even gay marriage, here s whats really significant about the Popes statement: The love-the-sinner-but-hate-the-sin trope no longer carries much if any moral credibility.
Howgiven our awareness today that homosexuality is as biological as heterosexuality, and that homosexual relationships have proven as valid and socially enriching as straight ones can we take any religious leader seriously when he claims to love gay people but at the same time demonizes the consummation of their love for each other?
How, for example, can the Catholic church declare homosexuals disordered and their lifestyle an intrinsic moral evil, yet expect us to applaud its love for gays somewhere beneath all that homophobic bigotry?
My mother was born in Mississippi and has often told me of Southern whites in the mid-20th century insisting they could love a black person even if they hated the black race. No, you cant .... When he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires he called Argentinas legalization of gay marriage a grave anthropological regression.
(Excerpt) Read more at ideas.time.com ...
I mean, the article is full of errors, but it makes its main point: the Catholic Church teaches that homosexual sex is an "intrinsic moral evil," and is opposed to it, under any conditions, for anybody.
Now and forever, Amen.
Gay marriage has been primarily about forcing people to APPROVE of homosexual acts, and secondarily about healthcare benefits.
I didn't get that memo.
Time-Lies-Warner-Turner Media has insisted God has been dead since the 1960s. Pretty intolerant of them.
Funny, but G-d is fine. TIME is dead.
RE: : Loving the Sinner Is Still Intolerance
Well, at least TIME is open about their agenda -— JUST ACCEPT THE SIN and CELEBRATE IT.
But then, if you accept the sin, what the heck is there to tolerate?
You only tolerate something you disagree with...
Which in essence means the word “tolerate” has lost its meaning.
P.S. Not disagreeing with you — just neutralizing the Time writer's argument.
Suck a joke of an article from a naive closet homo.
“given our awareness today that homosexuality is as biological as heterosexuality, and that homosexual relationships have proven as valid and socially enriching as straight ones”
As biological, even though it has been proven to not be genetic, and is a biological dead end?
As valid, even though it serves zero purpose?
As socially enriching, even though it has correlation with several mental disorders, ends one’s genetic line, increases the chances of contracting potentially lethal diseases, and is pretty much rejected by over 85% of the world as disgusting?
Yeah, great article, doofus.
“How, for example, can the Catholic church declare homosexuals disordered and their lifestyle an intrinsic moral evil, yet expect us to applaud its love for gays somewhere beneath all that homophobic bigotry? “
It’s a Christian, thing, Time - you wouldn’t understand.
I think at the time of publication, the general idea may have been that the Beatles replaced him (”Eighty million screaming teen girls can’t be wrong”). In under five years, they disbanded, at the hands of Yoko Ono? Is she God? Or maybe she’s the devil. By her fruits you shall know her.
At the end of their days, a lot of people are going to be shocked to learn there is a God, He does have standards and His Son offered each of us an amazing salvation for the willing.
Breaking: the Pope is Catholic.
News at 11
I have a pretty good imagination and honest ... at a great risk (by this confession here in FR), I confess I've attempted to imagine me with another man .. and by GOD ... that's some sick stuff.
The Bible condemns men with men .. AND women with women .. in more places than one, both Old and New Testament
It ain't supposed to be ... period.
The devils trying to degenerate the planet will be quite surprised when they find out that God is intolerant ... maybe that’s what fuels their anarchy and treachery!
Can’t wait to leave it to them for about 7 years...
Loving the sinner is tolerance, what it isn’t is acceptance.
Amen ... even so come quickly, Lord Jesus!
“Pope Francis and Gays: Loving the Sinner Is Still Intolerance” - Time Magazine
‘Tolerance And Apathy Are The Last Virtues Of A Dying Society’ - Aristotle
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
- G. K. Chesterton
It’s pretty biblically clear that homosexuality is hugely offensive to God,
and that’s why the left picks this issue to promote in our society.
Darwin would call homosexuality an unsuccessful mutation since it does not provide for procreation.
Not that there is anything wrong with that...
Silence on the matter will be construed as intolerance.
Her “Fruits”, apparently are Sean Lennon and Kyoko Chan Cox.
I’m not sure what (if anything) they tell us about her.
No vice however squalid and nasty is without defenders as Padgett proves.
Loving the sinner, really isn't even tolerance. It is calling to repentance. Loving the sinner is actually INtolerance of the sin.
I’m in a time warp ... this is the first I’ve ever heard of Kyoko.
This sodomite Padgett does not understand love. We love those involved in homosexuality (in the same way that God so loved the whole world) ... therefore we point out to them that homosexual conduct is depraved, and evil, and sinful ... and we call them to repentance and conversion to Christ.
The sin comes when you indulge your homosexual proclivities.
I was thinking of her movies, books, audio recordings and general willingness to trade on her deceased husband’s fame and notoriety. Sean is nothing special as far as I know, but I wouldn’t quite categorize him as a fruit.
Sorry ... don't mean to imply that he's a sodomite.
According to wiki he's an occutard.
Completely different. Can you not love a person who is an alcoholic? Would you still love one of your children who is a murderer?
That is true in the same sense that cancer is as biological as other cells. It doesn't mean what Tim was trying to twist the words to mean. Biological is not the same as positive. I don't encourage my friend with stage three cancer to celebrate the growth of that part of his biology, any more than I would encourage men who are attracted to men to turn an exit into an entrance.
homosexual relationships have proven as valid and socially enriching as straight ones
I missed that proof. What I have seen is relationships among friends and co-workers that have never in my experience included fidelity and that have never in my experience lasted more than a few years. The best homosexual relationships I have seen have lacked the stability and commitment of the worst heterosexual relationships I have seen.
can we take any religious leader seriously when he claims to love gay people but at the same time demonizes the consummation of their love for each other? How, for example, can the Catholic church declare homosexuals disordered and their lifestyle an intrinsic moral evil, yet expect us to applaud its love for gays somewhere beneath all that homophobic bigotry?
I missed the alleged demonization. Those who commit adultery (another group whose sex lives violate scripture) are not demonized; it's just that their actions violate God's Word. The same is true of homosexuals. This moron does not understand either "demonizing" or love. Which is hateful and which is loving: (a) telling people to do whatever makes them happy sexually (b) advising people to act prudently and in a manner that will allow them to avoid a fatal disease such as AIDS? I don't see a phobia in either approach, but one has an outcome that is hard to describe as anything short of hateful.
If animal behavior is normative for humans, we should be living naked in the trees, pooping on the ground, establishing social hierarchies by brawling, flirting by displaying our swollen rumps, eating placentas, and --- if our offspring seem subpar --- eating the babies, too.
Every disease, disability, disorder, abnormality, malformation and malfunction known to man or beast, is biological. Duh: What else would it be? CGI?
That doesn't mean we have to define ourselves by our disorders.
Even nature doesn't favor behaviors that lead to the specimen's genetic extinction.
“given our awareness today that homosexuality is as biological as heterosexuality”
HUH? Sorry Charlie,
“Studies by Johns Hopkins University, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, a prohomosexual
scientist, Evelyn Hooker, and Masters and Johnson all deny that theres any genetic link. They agree that the connection between genetics and homosexuality is a myth.
I love drug abusers but hate drug abuse. As a matter of fact I display my love toward them by doing whatever is in my power to get them to stop abusing drugs. Am I intolerant and hateful?
“You Can’t Handle The Truth”
**********WARNING GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS*************
“If you really love people you tell them the truth.
Seventy-eight percent of male homosexuals have or had a sexually transmitted disease. Two thirds of all the AIDS in the US are a direct result from homosexual behavior. Fifty percent of all homosexuals have gonorrhea. Homosexual young
people are twenty-three times more likely to get a sexually transmitted disease.
In San Francisco, the sexually transmitted disease rate is twenty-two times higher than the national average. Lesbians are fourteen times more likely to contract syphilis, four times more likely to have scabies, and three times more
likely to get breast cancer.
Only three percent of homosexuals are fifty-five years and older. And only one percent die of natural causes, a la, old age. The life expectancy of a male homosexual in America is forty-two years old.
How do I say to someone I really care about, and the premise is you really care, that, Oh, whatever you want to do is okay. You only live half as long. And like a domino, what happens to you, you will infect other people. By the gays report, forty percent of homosexual men have between one hundred to five hundred partners.
Important because, again, its, we have these ethereal pictures and were not honest and clear about how homosexual practice works.
The high rate of disease among homosexual males is due to unhealthy sexual practice. Ninety-eight percent of homosexuals engage in oral sex, ninety percent
practice sex with their partner in anal sex. This is biological suicide since the rectum was not designed to accommodate a thrusting penis or sex toys. During such activities the anal wall is torn and bruised, giving sperm and germs direct access to the blood stream. Since the anal wall is only one cell thick, sperm quickly penetrates the wall, causing massive immunological damage to the bodys T and B cell defense mechanisms. This doesnt happen during vaginal sex because of the multi-layered construction of the vagina.”
“Genetic” isn’t the only way to be “biological.”
Homosexuality is a biological mistake and an evolutional dead end. (Guys like this are all about evolution, aren't they?)
He used the term “gay,” which is political double-speak.
Examples at LINK
Don’t know who Tim Padgett is.
But anyone who characterizes himself as “gay” is either political about it, or justifies his own participation in homosexual behavior. Not everyone with same-sex attraction, or even who indulges in homosexual behavior, is “gay.”
And anyone who uses this terminology to reference all homosexuals is buying into this mindset.
Let me know if you need elaboration on my statements.
Tim Padgett is the author of the article at the top of this thread.
Gosh. Who would I rather be happy and pleased with me and my life....God or Time Magazine. hmmmm....think I'll still with God. Yeah...I think I'm not going to care what Time Magazine says. :)
Thanks. Still don't know who he is or why anything he says carries any importance.