Skip to comments.Pope Francis and Gays: “Loving the Sinner” Is Still Intolerance (Thanks for clarifying that, Time)
Posted on 07/30/2013 11:25:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
It's hardly surprising that the world, especially Roman Catholics like myself, is breathlessly decoding what Pope Francis told reporters on his flight back to Rome from Brazil on Monday regarding homosexuality: If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?
The Popes remarks... hardly represent a break with Catholic church doctrine, which still condemns homosexuality. The Vaticans catechismal stance regarding the LGBTs in our midst remains the same: The church may love the sinner, but it hates the sin. And since Francis was referring specifically to gay priestswho like other Catholic clerics take a vow of celibacy and so dont commit the sin His Holiness wasnt exactly going out on a theological limb.
But at a time when the world is increasingly accepting gay rights and even gay marriage, here s whats really significant about the Popes statement: The love-the-sinner-but-hate-the-sin trope no longer carries much if any moral credibility.
Howgiven our awareness today that homosexuality is as biological as heterosexuality, and that homosexual relationships have proven as valid and socially enriching as straight ones can we take any religious leader seriously when he claims to love gay people but at the same time demonizes the consummation of their love for each other?
How, for example, can the Catholic church declare homosexuals disordered and their lifestyle an intrinsic moral evil, yet expect us to applaud its love for gays somewhere beneath all that homophobic bigotry?
My mother was born in Mississippi and has often told me of Southern whites in the mid-20th century insisting they could love a black person even if they hated the black race. No, you cant .... When he was Archbishop of Buenos Aires he called Argentinas legalization of gay marriage a grave anthropological regression.
(Excerpt) Read more at ideas.time.com ...
I love drug abusers but hate drug abuse. As a matter of fact I display my love toward them by doing whatever is in my power to get them to stop abusing drugs. Am I intolerant and hateful?
“You Can’t Handle The Truth”
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“If you really love people you tell them the truth.
Seventy-eight percent of male homosexuals have or had a sexually transmitted disease. Two thirds of all the AIDS in the US are a direct result from homosexual behavior. Fifty percent of all homosexuals have gonorrhea. Homosexual young
people are twenty-three times more likely to get a sexually transmitted disease.
In San Francisco, the sexually transmitted disease rate is twenty-two times higher than the national average. Lesbians are fourteen times more likely to contract syphilis, four times more likely to have scabies, and three times more
likely to get breast cancer.
Only three percent of homosexuals are fifty-five years and older. And only one percent die of natural causes, a la, old age. The life expectancy of a male homosexual in America is forty-two years old.
How do I say to someone I really care about, and the premise is you really care, that, Oh, whatever you want to do is okay. You only live half as long. And like a domino, what happens to you, you will infect other people. By the gays report, forty percent of homosexual men have between one hundred to five hundred partners.
Important because, again, its, we have these ethereal pictures and were not honest and clear about how homosexual practice works.
The high rate of disease among homosexual males is due to unhealthy sexual practice. Ninety-eight percent of homosexuals engage in oral sex, ninety percent
practice sex with their partner in anal sex. This is biological suicide since the rectum was not designed to accommodate a thrusting penis or sex toys. During such activities the anal wall is torn and bruised, giving sperm and germs direct access to the blood stream. Since the anal wall is only one cell thick, sperm quickly penetrates the wall, causing massive immunological damage to the bodys T and B cell defense mechanisms. This doesnt happen during vaginal sex because of the multi-layered construction of the vagina.”
“Genetic” isn’t the only way to be “biological.”
Homosexuality is a biological mistake and an evolutional dead end. (Guys like this are all about evolution, aren't they?)
He used the term “gay,” which is political double-speak.
Examples at LINK
Don’t know who Tim Padgett is.
But anyone who characterizes himself as “gay” is either political about it, or justifies his own participation in homosexual behavior. Not everyone with same-sex attraction, or even who indulges in homosexual behavior, is “gay.”
And anyone who uses this terminology to reference all homosexuals is buying into this mindset.
Let me know if you need elaboration on my statements.
Tim Padgett is the author of the article at the top of this thread.
Gosh. Who would I rather be happy and pleased with me and my life....God or Time Magazine. hmmmm....think I'll still with God. Yeah...I think I'm not going to care what Time Magazine says. :)
Thanks. Still don't know who he is or why anything he says carries any importance.
Maybe alchholism is biological as well as psychological as well. But There is not equivalent to AA among homosexuals, even though, for men at least, their lifestyle is just as destructive of their health.
“Howgiven our awareness today that homosexuality is as biological as heterosexuality, and that homosexual relationships have proven as valid and socially enriching as straight ones can we take any religious leader seriously when he claims to love gay people but at the same time demonizes the consummation of their love for each other?”
I wonder how the Pope feels about the word, abomination.
I just looked up abomination in an online concordance. Worth a careful look. Not just homosex, but a lot of other things as well.
Denomination Votes to Allow Drunken Clergy (satire)-
Your comment contains way too much common sense for any from Time to understand.
Time was a better magazine back when Henry R. Luce was in charge.
He’s a liberal journalist. Therefore, he knows everything and the whole should wait on pins and needles for each of his pronouncements!/sarc
Yeah we know. But if one does not deny those facts, one must be a hater and a bigot and a homophobe and that one must be ridiculed or silenced altogether.