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Misinterpreting Francis (Vatican official chided the mainstream media for its conflation of remarks)
NC Register ^ | July 30, 2013 | EDWARD PENTIN

Posted on 07/30/2013 2:11:07 PM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis’ comments on homosexuality during a press conference on the papal plane back from World Youth Day in Rio were largely misreported by the mainstream press, according to a Vatican official and a Church expert.

During a surprise and wide-ranging in-flight press conference Sunday that lasted 80 minutes, Pope Francis reportedly said: “If someone is gay, and he searches for the Lord and has goodwill, who am I to judge? We shouldn’t marginalize people for this. They must be integrated into society.”

“The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well,” the Holy Father went on. “It says one must not marginalize these persons; they must be integrated into society,” he said, and he reportedly made the distinction between homosexual acts, which are sinful, and tendencies, which are not.

“The problem isn’t this [homosexual] orientation — we must be like brothers and sisters. The problem is something else, the problem is lobbying, either for this orientation or a political lobby or a Masonic lobby,” he said. The Pope recently said a “gay lobby” exists in the Vatican, which protects some priests and threatens to blackmail others.

The Catechism states that the number of men and women who have “deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible.” The inclination is “objectively disordered,” it continues, and “constitutes for most of them a trial” (2358).

It adds, “They must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition” (2358).

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; popefrancis; romancatholicism; worldyouthday

1 posted on 07/30/2013 2:11:07 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

I knew the second I saw the headline what happened. On the other hand, it’s been a few decades of this. These popes should be smart enough to know this is exactly what will be reported when they say something like this. It’s happened before.


2 posted on 07/30/2013 2:12:45 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
But large media outlets, such as the BBC, often accused of promoting same-sex rights, were quick to report the story in accordance with their own biases. The BBC splashed this headline across its news site: “Pope Francis: Who am I to judge gay people?” Others followed suit, misleadingly implying that the Holy Father “doesn’t judge gay people.”

“The problem is the headlines,” he added, “and confusion over the meaning of the word 'gay.'”

Yesterday, FR ran the mainstream media reporting as their #1 Breaking News story for the entire day. Here is an opportunity for FR to re-educate their members on the truth of Catholic teaching.

3 posted on 07/30/2013 2:12:57 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: nickcarraway

Ping to #3.


4 posted on 07/30/2013 2:14:36 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

It signaled a change of tone, and what seems to be the first use of the word “gay” by a Pope.

It is misleading to pretend that nothing was done and all this was made up.


5 posted on 07/30/2013 2:22:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12
In June, Pope Francis warned of a corrupt gay lobby in the Church, so how could it be the first time he said it?

Why don't you just say the Pope infallibly declared the gays are better than heterosexuals?

6 posted on 07/30/2013 2:25:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: NYer
The lesson in this is that all sincere Christians up to and including the Pope should not attempt to discuss homosexuality with the MSM or others who are hostile towards people of faith. Homosexual acts are sinful. The problem is active homosexuals who care nothing about faith are confused with sincere people of faith who may have a homosexual inclination but never act on it.

The MSM wants to muddy the waters and confuse the issue. The goal of the MSM is to promote homosexuality especially to young people.

7 posted on 07/30/2013 2:27:34 PM PDT by detective
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To: nickcarraway

Did he use the word “gay” when he described the homosexual block within Catholic leadership?


8 posted on 07/30/2013 2:28:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: NYer

The Catechism teaches that homosexual persons “are called to chastity” and that “by the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection” (2359).

The Pope was right, but of course the liberal press jumped to change his meaning. Think of the graces earned by those who are born with a predisposition to their own sex. Any sacrifice ANY of us make for the good of the world’s people is a blessing on mankind. A predisposition to gossip? Say a short prayer instead. Light fingerness? Put your hands in your pocket and keep them there. The sacrifice of those born with a predisposition to their own sex floods God’s graces on the world. The Pope was right.


9 posted on 07/30/2013 2:30:25 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: NYer
Pope Francis’ comments on homosexuality . . . were largely misreported by the mainstream press

But then, who am I to judge?

10 posted on 07/30/2013 2:40:40 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I hear wet grass.)
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To: ansel12; nickcarraway
Did he use the word “gay” when he described the homosexual block within Catholic leadership?

You can read the FULL TRANSCRIPT here. How proficient are you in Italian and Spanish?

11 posted on 07/30/2013 2:41:16 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer; nickcarraway

JOHN ALLEN of The National Catholic Reporter is reporting it as introducing the use of “gay”.

“But, actually, Judy, it was another bit of vocabulary that I was more struck by. I actually — I have not done a formal keyword search on this point, but I have been paying attention to popes for a long time. I can’t recall a previous time that a pope actually used the word gay.”


12 posted on 07/30/2013 3:52:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12

Well, there’s already been proof on this thread that it was used many times before that. But, hey, I don’t want to get in the way of you using a viciously anti-Catholic source.


13 posted on 07/30/2013 3:56:32 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I haven’t seen the proof, I asked you in post 8 for verification but you ignored my post.

Did he use the word “gay” when he described the homosexual block within Catholic leadership?


14 posted on 07/30/2013 4:06:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12; NYer

See post #11. He used the word, “gay,” 6 times. I didn’t even know they used gay in Italian.


15 posted on 07/30/2013 4:10:53 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: ansel12; NYer

See post #11. He used the word, “gay,” 6 times. I didn’t even know they used gay in Italian.


16 posted on 07/30/2013 4:10:53 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

But that is the use that we are discussing, that is the transcript of this current interview isn’t it?


17 posted on 07/30/2013 4:16:35 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12

It did not “signal a change of tone.” This has been the policy since forever.

Furthermore, the term “gay” was used because there has been a lot of publicity recently about the “gay mafia” in the Vatican. Would you rather he didn’t take this on?


18 posted on 07/30/2013 4:39:04 PM PDT by livius
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To: detective

If the Pope said nothing, the MSM would say “Pope refuses to answer questions.”

There’s no way to win. Remember when BXVI said something on a flight back from Africa about condoms - basically reaffirming the traditional position - and the next day the press was saying “Vatican approves condoms” in Africa?

The only thing the Vatican can do is make corrections, but there’s really no way to prevent the press from going wild.


19 posted on 07/30/2013 4:43:27 PM PDT by livius
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To: nickcarraway

I go to Europe a lot, and “gay” is used in every modern European language that I have encountered.


20 posted on 07/30/2013 4:44:34 PM PDT by livius
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To: ansel12

Did you read it?


21 posted on 07/30/2013 4:45:25 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: ansel12

Yes, the “homosexual bloc” in the Church was actually what he was talking about. Why don’t you read the full transcript, even in translation?


22 posted on 07/30/2013 4:45:44 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer

They need more than chiding!


23 posted on 07/30/2013 4:56:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: livius
", , , but there’s really no way to prevent the press usual liars from going wild."

fixed if for you

24 posted on 07/30/2013 4:58:19 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: livius

It signaled a change of tone, I said nothing about a change of policy.

As far as we know, the use of the word gay was a change as well, again, nothing was said by me about not answering about the homosexual issues within the church.

It would save time if you didn’t have people having to respond to things that they aren’t posting.


25 posted on 07/30/2013 4:58:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: livius

Well, thanks for simply repeating my statement back to me, I knew he was talking about the homosexual bloc, why waste time with a post like you made?


26 posted on 07/30/2013 5:02:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: NYer

I am sure the ‘biggest’ part of this problem is the Pope sort of ‘assumed’ that people KNOW/KNEW that one of the first laws/instructions to Priests is being Celibate.
Kind of like an economist addressing an assembly of Black people and using the N......ly word instead of Cheap.
Correct word but not quite the proper time and place.

If you follow RULE #1 and ‘keep it in your pants’ the rest all sort of fall into line and it doesn’t matter what your likes/dislikes are.

I had said at the height of the ‘scandal’ inre Priests/Altar Boys when the ‘powers that be were wringing their collective hands’ wondering what to do.

Enforce Rule #1. Priest gets suspended for breaking his vows, investigate and prosecute where and when necessary.

As long as the press etal continue to ‘listen’ to Biden and Pelosi when it comes to being Catholic, they will continue to ‘step on their tallywacker’ whenever the chance is there.

I know the Nuns never (actually) uttered the words
“That thing is for procreation NOT recreation”


27 posted on 07/30/2013 5:07:08 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Inside every 'older' man there is a 'younger' man wondering "WTF happened")
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To: nickcarraway

That is the very interview that I said that he used the word gay in, why do you keep directing me back to it as proof of something? Read post 5 again.


28 posted on 07/30/2013 5:10:57 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: ansel12

I asked if you read it, because it says something very different from what the media and you are claiming it does.


29 posted on 07/30/2013 5:15:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: NYer
Pope Francis’ comments on homosexuality during a press conference on the papal plane back from World Youth Day in Rio were largely misreported by the mainstream press, according to a Vatican official and a Church expert.

Dr. of Spin, is that a Jesuit specialty?

On his papal coat or arms he has a loose cannon?

30 posted on 07/30/2013 5:29:10 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means.")
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To: nickcarraway

What I am claiming? So he didn’t use the word “gay”?


31 posted on 07/30/2013 5:30:23 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: NYer

NPR wet its pants reporting this story.


32 posted on 07/30/2013 6:32:07 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: nickcarraway

—— I knew the second I saw the headline what happened. -——

Yup. The media is the enemy. We must boycott them and their sponsors.


33 posted on 07/30/2013 6:42:51 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: nickcarraway

Why doesn’t the Vatican just yank the press passes of reporters who mis-report what the Pope or any Vatican spokesman says. Maybe give one warning, then pull their credentials.


34 posted on 07/30/2013 7:31:29 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: NYer
Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

What planet is he on? This hasn't been a problem for 20 years. The problem now is discrimination against heterosexual people, normal families, and especially, their Christian religious beliefs. Come on pope, what about us???

35 posted on 07/30/2013 7:38:34 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; NYer; Salvation

Popes for ages never gave press interviews. Sadly, instead of “hate the sin and love the sinner” with the admonition immediately following to “go and sin no more,” the gay media views this comment as an affirmation of their Sodomite lifestyle. The words of Pope Francis were treated by Gays and their fellow-travelers in the media not as words of forgiveness but as sweet comfort for continuing in their current lifestyle. Can anyone explain why we have a Gay, Lesbian, & Transgender Journalist Association?

In the world of gay politics and media coverage, unless one shows an unequivocal abhorrence to homosexuality, these perverts will never get the message. Indeed, they have no compunction about staging theatricals with Christ and his Apostles as being gay. Francis made a huge and unfortunate public relations gaffe following his hugely successful first international trip as Pope to World Youth Day. Trust, the Vatican learns this lesson well or else we’ll be stuck with a loose cannon at the helm.


36 posted on 07/30/2013 7:49:20 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

I agree, in fact it is sort of like Vatican II — the interpretation, execution and consequences become more important than the original statements. Judge by the fruits.


37 posted on 07/30/2013 7:54:12 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: ansel12; NYer
Yes he (the Pope) used the word "gay", at least in this instance if not before. Observe, (from NYer's source she posted before)

Se una persona è gay e cerca...

Which translates to...

If a person is gay and tries

I must admit I'm a bit surprised he used the actual word "gay", as it's an English word I believe. But I guess it's usurpation extends to other languages as well.

Regards,

38 posted on 08/01/2013 11:05:07 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: NYer
“The problem is the headlines,” he added, “and confusion over the meaning of the word 'gay.'”

LOL. Is that like knowing what the meaning of "is" is?

39 posted on 08/03/2013 12:39:08 PM PDT by piusv
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