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Cardinal Dolan Explains: Pope's remark on gays does not change church teaching
National Catholic Reporter ^ | 07/30/2013 | Catholic News Service

Posted on 07/30/2013 7:03:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

NEW YORK New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, a guest Tuesday on "CBS This Morning" to discuss the pope's impromptu news conference on a papal flight the previous day, stressed that Pope Francis "would be the first to say, 'My job isn't to change church teaching; my job is to present it as clearly as possible.' " Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, was asked to comment in particular on the pope's remark: "If a person is gay, seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge? They should not be marginalized. They are our brothers."

That remark, Dolan said, reflects "a gentle, merciful, understanding, compassionate" approach to church teaching which emphasizes "that while certain acts may be wrong, we would always love and respect the person and treat the person with dignity."

He said the pope's words "may be something people find new and refreshing. I for one don't think it is, and I hate to see previous popes caricatured as not having that," he said in the interview.

In the 80-minute news conference on the plane from Rio de Janeiro to Rome returning from World Youth Day, the pope also answered questions about women in the church, divorce and his own spirituality.

Answering a question about reports of a gay lobby at the Vatican, the pope emphasized that it was important to "distinguish between a person who is gay and someone who makes a gay lobby," he said. "A gay lobby isn't good."

Pope Francis said the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains church teaching about homosexuality very well, saying, "one must not marginalize these persons, they must be integrated into society. The problem isn't this (homosexual) orientation -- we must be like brothers and sisters."

The catechism states people with homosexual tendencies "must be accepted with respect and compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided."

The church teaches that all sexual activity outside of the legitimate marriage of one man and one woman is sinful.

When asked if he was surprised by the pope's comments, Dolan said he was not. "What surprises me is that people are surprised," he said.

The cardinal stressed that church teaching on homosexuality has not changed.

"While we are rather cogent in our teaching we're equally compelling in the mercy, the graciousness, the respect with which we say it," he added.

Chicago Cardinal Francis George said in a statement Monday that the pope "reaffirmed the teaching of the Catholic faith and other religions that homosexual genital relations are morally wrong. The pope also reaffirmed the church's teaching that every man and woman should be accepted with love, including those with same-sex orientation."

The cardinal noted that the archdiocese of Chicago sponsors ministries for homosexuals that "make available the sacraments of the church for those who want to live chastely as followers of Christ in the church. Judgments about individual guilt are settled in the sacrament of reconciliation, according to Catholic pastoral practice," he added.

In a blog post Monday, Basilian Fr. Thomas Rosica, CEO of Salt and Light, noted that the pope's visit to Brazil "left a deep and lasting impression" on the world.

He also noted that the pope's comments on the plane, "particularly about the divorced and remarried, women and homosexuals must be read and understood through the lenses of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the outreach and concern of the church for those on the fringes, and the mercy, tenderness and forgiveness of a pastor who walks among his people."


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: braziil; cardinaldolan; gay; homosexuality; popefrancis; romancatholicism; worldyouthday

1 posted on 07/30/2013 7:03:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Watch Cardinal Dolan’s explanation here:

http://tv.broadwayworld.com/article/VIDEO-Cardinal-Dolan-Talks-Gay-Rights-on-CBS-THIS-MORNING-20130730

See also here:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/media-criticized-for-misrepresenting-what-pope-francis-said-about-gays-101195/

Media Criticized for Misrepresenting What Pope Francis Said About Gays


2 posted on 07/30/2013 7:05:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The relevant portion of the Catechism that Francis was referring to states: “The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.”

So, as Francis noted immediately after the “who am I to judge” quote, his remarks were consistent with existing Catholic doctrine. Many media reports suggested, though, that Francis’ remarks signaled a policy shift. Some even suggested that the Catholic Church might begin to allow the ordination of openly gay priests.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/media-criticized-for-misrepresenting-what-pope-francis-said-about-gays-101195/#b7IfcxBJ3jOwL8bk.99


3 posted on 07/30/2013 7:06:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Another tortured explanation of what the pope really meant. Perhaps he should refrain from having a presser every day.


4 posted on 07/30/2013 7:07:06 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: SeekAndFind

So the Pope said nothing of interest.

Yawn.


5 posted on 07/30/2013 7:10:25 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

This new pope might need to be a little more clear. This type thig has happened a few times with him.

I am not Catholic but I don’t believe this man is helping the cause with his confusing statements. The popes might change but the Bible doesn’t.


6 posted on 07/30/2013 7:10:40 PM PDT by boycott
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To: txrefugee

What’s so tortured about Dolan’s explanation?

What would you have said if you were in his shoes?


7 posted on 07/30/2013 7:11:06 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: DManA

Note how the Gay Activist and Gay Agenda Sympathetic Websites Write their headlines regarding Cardinal Dolan’s Clarification (implying he and the Pope are at odds):

1) Cardinal Dolan Thinks The Pope Is Just As Homophobic As Ever

Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/cardinal-dolan-thinks-the-pope-is-just-as-homophobic-as-ever-20130730/#ixzz2aaKEixya

2) CARDINAL DOLAN STEPS ON POPE’S MESSAGE OF TOLERANCE - VIDEO

http://www.towleroad.com/2013/07/cardinal-dolan-steps-on-popes-message-of-tolerance-video.html

3) Timothy Dolan Minimizes Pope Francis’ Support For Gay Priests

http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=15978&MediaType=1&Category=26

4) Cardinal downplays Pope’s ‘Who am I to judge gay people?’ comments

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/cardinal-downplays-popes-who-am-i-judge-gay-people-comments300713


8 posted on 07/30/2013 7:12:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: boycott

RE: The popes might change but the Bible doesn’t.

I am not Catholic either, but I understand Pope Francis’ remark is just a variation of the “Love the sinner, hate the sin” theme.


9 posted on 07/30/2013 7:14:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I would have appreciated an explanation from Dolan about how bringing more homosexuals into the priesthood would assist the church in dealing with past issues covering up the abuse of little boys.


10 posted on 07/30/2013 7:17:58 PM PDT by Dr. Pritchett
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To: Dr. Pritchett

(DISCLOSURE: I am NOT Roman Catholic, however I have LOTS of Catholic friends, some of whom are priests ).

This is what I know of their policy — The church will, before ordaining someone to the priesthood, try their absolute best to make sure that the candidate IS NOT GAY.

If they, for any reason, find out that the person is gay, they will disqualify him.

However, they cannot guarantee that some will slip through the cracks.

*THAT* is what I am told.


11 posted on 07/30/2013 7:22:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“However, they cannot guarantee that some will slip through the cracks.”
Umm...what do they mean by that?


12 posted on 07/30/2013 7:30:42 PM PDT by oust the louse (The Democratic Party might as well be called the Death Party. Abortion & ObamaCare/death panels.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am not Catholic either, but I understand Pope Francis’ remark is just a variation of the “Love the sinner, hate the sin” theme.

I am Catholic and I was thinking the same thing as you. Notice the Pope only mentioned the people, he did not say we should accept the practice any more than we should accept the act of adultery or any other sin.

13 posted on 07/30/2013 7:34:01 PM PDT by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: oust the louse

RE: “However, they cannot guarantee that some will slip through the cracks.”

Umm...what do they mean by that?

______________________________________

Well, some can lie about their orientation and be ordained can’t they?

After all, Judas was able to become one of the 12 disciples.


14 posted on 07/30/2013 7:37:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Dr. Pritchett

I think what Francis is confronting here is that the network of hardcore Satanic pedophiles in the Vatican has been able to blackmail other, non-pedophile priests with knowledge of their adult dalliances; thus enabling the perpetuaion of the pedophile coverup.

If Francis continues to move against the pedophile network, more stories of priests involved in adult affairs, both heterosexual and homosexual, may be released to the press by the blackmail network.

So Francis is laying out the groundwork for the forgiveness and continued employment of some of his allies in this latter group as he continues his fight against the pedophile network.


15 posted on 07/30/2013 7:45:38 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t quite work when people above them are GAY and those that are molested and complain are told that the Church Will Crush Them if the info becomes public.

For example:
Cardinal O Brien


16 posted on 07/30/2013 7:47:31 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought that he was saying the opposite in regards to homosexual church leadership, as long as they didn’t practice it sexually.

“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Francis said. “We shouldn’t marginalize people for this. They must be integrated into society.”


17 posted on 07/30/2013 8:14:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: SeekAndFind
the pope emphasized that it was important to "distinguish between a person who is gay and someone who makes a gay lobby," he said. "A gay lobby isn't good."

Not good? Neither is a gay priest who is in position of leadership and authority.

18 posted on 07/30/2013 8:47:21 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: SeekAndFind

Some have/are reading more into what the Pope said, than he actually said. Every homosexual is welcome in the church as long as he does not act on his homosexual nature. You can be one but don’t do it, is what that means. Priests who are straight are welcome as long as they don’t act on their straight nature. Be straight but don’t do it. It is the “doing” that is the sin, not being homosexual or straight. Don’t commit that sin and you are welcome.


19 posted on 07/30/2013 9:04:06 PM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: SeekAndFind

As a Catholic, I’m a bit disappointed with the Pope’s choice of words. The Cinos on Facebook were celebrating his quote and pretending he condoned homosexual relationships. He shouldn’t have used the terminology of the radical homosexuals. The radical homosexuals want to destroy the Church, not celebrate the Good News. Let’s stop treating them with little kid gloves. They openly despise our Fairh yet he gives them a quote to exploit.


20 posted on 07/30/2013 9:13:12 PM PDT by HawkHogan
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To: SeekAndFind

The way I see homosexuality:

Suppose a boy receives a box from his mother and father on his 16th birthday. With is is a card that reads:

This present is given to you as our parents have, through the generations, passed it to us. We hand it down to you with all our love. Take good care of it and pass it to you first born child. All our love,

Mom and Dad

The boy opens it and it is the most exquisitely crafted ring, done generations ago by the most gifted craftsman. Mounted on top is a radiant cut 3 carat diamond.

The boy tells himself, he isn’t into rings. They are too materialistic. He gives his parents a perfunctory thank you and without their knowledge, tosses the ring into the ocean.

The ring represents the gift of life.


21 posted on 07/30/2013 9:31:47 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You are right. How about the parents being interviewed; the possible priest being interviewed multiple times, a two day psychological exam, numberous letters of recommendcation from friends and priest who knew the person, and it goes on and on.


22 posted on 07/30/2013 10:18:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

And Christ knew in advance that Judas would betray him, and he still chose him as one of the original twelve Apostles.


23 posted on 07/30/2013 10:19:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Marcella

Isn’t what he said a very warm and embracing way of reversing what the Pope said in 2005?


24 posted on 07/30/2013 10:24:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: Salvation

Is that the point of view that you have been posting in support of homosexual priests since 2005, when Benedict signed his document?


25 posted on 07/30/2013 10:32:39 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

When does Biden show up for his next communion?


26 posted on 07/31/2013 7:50:41 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: ansel12
Isn’t what he said a very warm and embracing way of reversing what the Pope said in 2005?

One needs to distinguish between a homosexual who has already been ordained a priest and a candidate for the priesthood who is homosexual.

The official documents which say that homosexuals should not be ordained were not the topic of discussion at the press conference and they are still in force.

27 posted on 07/31/2013 2:35:14 PM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS

The interview was only a couple of days ago, and seems to be a different policy from the previous one.

It seemed to be a signal that this Pope sees the previous Pope’s refusal to accept homosexual priest students, as too harsh, this Pope even introduced calling them ‘gay’ it looks like.

This was an entirely different tone, and even a new vocabulary, it means something.

I wonder when people will look into what was said about divorce.


28 posted on 07/31/2013 5:24:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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