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Raise Young to Respect Other Faiths, Pope Says in Message to Muslims
The Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 8/2/13

Posted on 08/02/2013 8:05:08 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: BlackElk

Good post! Thank you, Black Elk.


101 posted on 08/03/2013 3:33:02 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: ebb tide
And what do you personally do to “mark the end of Ramadan”?

Personally I try to avoid making snarky comments to fellow Christians.

102 posted on 08/03/2013 4:03:06 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: CynicalBear
What part of ”and Christians” do you not understand? See post #85
103 posted on 08/03/2013 4:03:59 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

You’re not doing a good job then.


104 posted on 08/03/2013 4:04:25 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; BlackElk
Such a “unity” founded upon nothing at all except a name certainly cannot stand.

I seem to remember reading how a dozen or so men armed with little more than sandals,robes, and walking sticks were able to stand and even convert virtually the entire world, founded on a name. Of course they truly believed in the power of that name.

105 posted on 08/03/2013 4:12:28 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: ebb tide
You’re not doing a good job then.

I meant it in all seriousness, there was no snark intended at all.

106 posted on 08/03/2013 4:13:51 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

“I seem to remember reading how a dozen or so men armed with little more than sandals,robes, and walking sticks were able to stand and even convert virtually the entire world, founded on a name. Of course they truly believed in the power of that name.”


A name has no power in and of itself, as the Mormons use the name of Christ, yet teach a different Christ, and are justly damned. It isn’t the mere outward appearance that counts, but whether their Gospel really is what those 12 men delivered to us.


107 posted on 08/03/2013 4:14:41 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: verga
Give me a break. I can read, and comprehend. I know the pope made the speech personally. He said “Muslims and Christians must raise young people “to think and speak respectfully of other religions and their followers, and to avoid ridiculing or denigrating their convictions and practices”. For those that have comprehension problems that means. The pope made a speech in person to Muslims saying that both Muslims and Christians must raise young people to think and speak respectively of other religions and their followers.
108 posted on 08/03/2013 5:15:47 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Biggirl
>>Remember that Jesus prayed for the unity of all who believe in HIM.<<

Disobeying what He said is NOT believing in Him. Here is just one example.

He says.

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God

But the Catholic Church says this.

“We need not shrink from admitting that candles, like incense and lustral water, were commonly employed in pagan worship and the rites paid to the dead. But the Church from a very early period took them into her service, just as she adopted many other things indifferent in themselves, which seemed proper to enhance the splendor of religious ceremonial. We must not forget that most of these adjuncts to worship, like music, lights, perfumes, ablutions, floral decorations, canopies, fans, screens, bells, vestments etc. were not identified with any idolatrous cult in particular; but they were common to almost all cults” (Catholic Encyclopedia, III, 246.)

If people believe in Him they don’t do what He said not to.

109 posted on 08/03/2013 5:27:29 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Rashputin

Please don’t ping me again. I will return the favor.

1,891 posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 12:38:42 by CynicalBear


People who cannot keep their word are by definition untrustworthy.
To: Rashputin

Please don’t ping me again. I will return the favor.

1,891 posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 12:38:42 by CynicalBear


People who cannot keep their word are by definition untrustworthy.


110 posted on 08/03/2013 7:23:40 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Biggirl
"Overall Pope Francis needs to use tact in his interviews."

So true.

I laughed when people made a big deal out of him wearing the same shoes now that he's Pope but given how fast he can get his foot out of one of those and into his mouth, maybe it is a good thing that he isn't not wearing some kind of loafer or slipper.

111 posted on 08/03/2013 7:59:04 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: GladesGuru

“Talking to Muslims is like trying to teach a baboon to write. It wastes your time, frustrates both you and the baboon, and eventually the baboon sticks the pencil into your eye and starts gnawing on your throat.”

I’m gonna remember that.


112 posted on 08/03/2013 11:45:08 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: ebb tide; Chode

“And what do you personally do to “mark the end of Ramadan”?”

Tally up all the numbers of muslims killed during the Rama-bomba-thon.


113 posted on 08/03/2013 11:54:46 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; narses
GPH:

While God, all by Himself, can accomplish anything without help, one who believes that God wants us to sit around like mushrooms awaiting our "fate" is likely misreading and misapplying Scripture. We ought not sit back in lazy spectatorhood while "Sharia Law" ravages our civilization.

Assuming that you did not grow up speaking Arabic, remember that the US has European roots and that you owe a debt of gratitude to God's servants: Pius V, Don Juan of Austria and King Jan Sobieski. They and most of Europe asked and they received. God COULD certainly have achieved the same result without them, but history records that He accomplished the preservation of the Judaeo-Christian civilization of Europe (and thus of the US) through their earthly efforts.

St. Paul did not sit idly around the old homestead speculating that there was just nothing he could do to spread the Faith. And a good thing too!

Just as there were Saxon Protestants among the Catholic Sobieski's forces, so today there are plenty of Christians of all denominations ready to unite to resist and defeat the "jihad." You can catch the action on TV from the comfort of your living room or read the updates on Drudge and we won't resent your survival through the efforts of those willing to set aside differences as necessary to preserve civilization. You need not thank us when it is over. We are used to carrying passive free riders.

114 posted on 08/04/2013 12:56:31 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: marshmallow

Good luck with the muslims, Francis. Not exactly sure that I can respect the Hudud punishments or the polygyny.


115 posted on 08/04/2013 1:14:42 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I don't always vote, but when I do, I SURE AS HELL DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: BlackElk

“While God, all by Himself, can accomplish anything without help, one who believes that God wants us to sit around like mushrooms awaiting our “fate” is likely misreading and misapplying Scripture.”


I never made any such claim, as obviously God never suffers any of his creatures to remain on holiday. I merely asserted the fact, which you seem to agree with, that God, not ourselves, is ultimately in charge of all world events. Thus, since all powers are established by God anyway, there is no reason to compromise Christianity for mere political gain. When it comes down to it, it is the great commission which trumps all your Jihads and worldly troubles, and without that firm foundation we have nothing. There is no divine commandment to do any of the things you have listed. We are commanded, simply, to teach all nations, presumably with sound and uncompromised doctrine, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Anything beyond this is mere vanity, hoping to conquer through a cultural Christianity which has no substance or power.


116 posted on 08/04/2013 1:29:44 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: CynicalBear

Jesus prayed that His believers WILL BE ONE: John 17.


117 posted on 08/04/2013 4:03:10 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Morgana
and a bacon sammich...
118 posted on 08/04/2013 6:52:08 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: bigheadfred

God’s. Whose are you? The pope or God?


119 posted on 08/04/2013 7:27:09 AM PDT by RetiredArmy ("As in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of Man." The LORD said it would be like this.)
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To: RetiredArmy

What kind of choice is that? ;-)


120 posted on 08/04/2013 8:41:51 AM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: Morgana; Chode
Tally ho!. Courtesy of ROP

Ramadan Bombathon
 2013 Scorecard
 
Because, if you think all religions are the same,
then you haven't been paying attention

Day 27

In the name of
The Religion
of Peace

In the name of
ANY Other
Religion

By
'Islamo-
Phobes'

Terror Attacks

264

0

1*

Suicide Bombings

27

0

0

Dead Bodies

1398

0

0

Wounded

2639

0

0


* A Ukrainian has been charged with placing a bomb near an
English mosque during Ramadan.  No injuries or deaths resulted. 
We list it as an attack even though we don't include attacks
 by Islamic terrorists unless they result in actual casualties.

(Not all attacks are immediately posted)



 

121 posted on 08/04/2013 9:21:30 AM PDT by bigheadfred (INFIDEL)
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To: bigheadfred
Outstanding!!! and that's just 2013...
122 posted on 08/04/2013 9:26:53 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Rashputin

I had to change my mind on that per scripture and the rules of this forum. You see, scripture admonishes us to speak out against error and the rules of this forum say we must ping the poster whose post we are discussing. So in order to remain trustworthy to both scripture and the rules of this forum I had to rethink my original desires.


123 posted on 08/04/2013 11:54:16 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
To: Rashputin

Please don’t ping me again. I will return the favor.

1,891 posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 12:38:42 by CynicalBear ==============================================

Someone who does not keep their word is by definition untrustworthy.

124 posted on 08/04/2013 11:59:26 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Scripture says I have to speak up.

Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Surely you would want someone who has “seen the light” to obey scripture wouldn’t you?

Now if you can't counter my points just say so.

125 posted on 08/04/2013 12:37:01 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: bigheadfred

The absolute only one, God. There can be no other for those who believe.


126 posted on 08/04/2013 1:06:04 PM PDT by RetiredArmy ("As in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of Man." The LORD said it would be like this.)
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To: bigheadfred

Thank you!


127 posted on 08/04/2013 3:33:53 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: CynicalBear
To: Rashputin

Please don’t ping me again. I will return the favor.

1,891 posted on Friday, December 21, 2012 12:38:42 by CynicalBear

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People who cannot keep their word are by definition untrustworthy.

128 posted on 08/04/2013 4:54:31 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: verga; Rashputin
The thing is that these guys are not even real Protestants. Just dig deeper and you'll find that many don't believe in the Triune nature of God, there are clowns who are unitarians, count-your Jehovah's Witnesses and then quite a few Modalists

Don't call them Protestants, just kooks -- they belong in their own kirk of one.. and they don't want God in it...

129 posted on 08/04/2013 11:31:42 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: ebb tide
ebb tide: he said “respect the religion of the other” implying reciprocity. Do you respect the teachings and values of Islam? Yes or No?

Respecting the religion does not imply respecting the teachings and values -- it denotes respecting the rights of the other TO their religion, whatever that may be

Now we Christians DO that -- Moslems if they want to believe what they want, we say ok, we think you're wrong, but that's your choice

Moslems on the other hand say "believe in allah, the illah of peace or we keel you"

The Pope made his remarks to the Moslems at the end of Ramzan -- it is clearly directed to THEM to respect Christians in the ME.

130 posted on 08/04/2013 11:34:20 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: CynicalBear; verga; piusv
What part of "The Pope made his remarks to the Moslems at the end of Ramzan " do you not understand CB?

If he said it at Christmas, that's a different thing, but this was directed AT Moslems at the end of their big fasting period

131 posted on 08/04/2013 11:35:21 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; BlackElk
We are commanded, simply, to teach all nations, presumably with sound and uncompromised doctrine, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Anything beyond this is mere vanity, hoping to conquer through a cultural Christianity which has no substance or power.

A friend of mines grandfather was a mule skinner (A person that trains mules not actually skins them) in Iowa. On a visit to his home I asked him what the trick was to harness training them. He answered with a bit of a twinkle in his eye; "The first thing you need to do is get the 2X4."

In general Muslims have entirely different view of God and life than we do. As long as they feel that they can continue to use violence to subjugate anyone they consider infidels they will continue to do so.

132 posted on 08/05/2013 5:15:25 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Cronos
Except he actually included teachings, etc:

Turning to mutual respect in inter-religious relations, especially between Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other, its teachings, its symbols, its values.

133 posted on 08/05/2013 5:16:04 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Cronos; verga; piusv
>>this was directed AT Moslems at the end of their big fasting period<<

Yeah, yeah, so here’s what he told the Muslims. Maybe this will make it easier for you.

Muslims and Christians must raise young people “to think and speak respectfully of other religions and their followers, and to avoid ridiculing or denigrating their convictions and practices”, Pope Francis has said.

This was directed AT Moslems at the end of their big fasting period. I got that part.

134 posted on 08/05/2013 12:46:24 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Cronos

By the way. I’m not sure how it would have changed anything if he said it at Christmas. :-)


135 posted on 08/05/2013 12:48:42 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Do you even read my posts? Why do you continue to put me on the list when, if you read my posts, you would see that I agree with you?

You’re annoying me.


136 posted on 08/05/2013 1:29:43 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

I simply included you because you were including in the pings of the poster I was responding to. I generally do that because it gives the recipients a chance to see my response. I understand that you agree with me. Just thought I would keep you in the loop. I’ll try to remember to not include you in the future.


137 posted on 08/05/2013 2:12:02 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

No, that’s cool. I didn’t realize that was what you were doing. My apologies for my grouchiness.


138 posted on 08/05/2013 3:01:33 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Cronos
Cronos said, "Respecting the religion does not imply respecting the teachings and values.

Nope! That's not what the Pope said. One more time, read slowly and read carefully. The pope, not only implied, he said this:

“Turning to mutual respect in inter-religious relations, especially between Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other, its teachings, its symbols, its values.

139 posted on 08/05/2013 6:12:13 PM PDT by ebb tide
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