Skip to comments.Raise Young to Respect Other Faiths, Pope Says in Message to Muslims
Posted on 08/02/2013 8:05:08 PM PDT by marshmallow
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No thank you, Salvation.
The Pope need only to compare the life Our Lord and Savior lived to the one Mohammed lived.
This message was directed at Moslems. Telling THEM to respect US. Won’twork, but he needs to try then we have casus belli
because he himself is the head of a false religion, it’s just professional courtesy.
Read first. The message was directed AT MOSLEMS, telling them to respect us
Enter through the narrow gate. For WIDE is the gate and broad is the road that leads to DESTRUCTION, and MANY enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to LIFE, and ONLY a FEW find it."
Seems like your pope wants all on one WIDE road. Enjoy it. For there are only two roads, not many like 'religions' are. All religions are man made and they are on one wide and broad road together.
Meanwhile, the 'few' are on the narrow road to JESUS ALONE. And I'm enjoying it now and will for eternity.
Eye has not seen nor ear heard, nor has it entered into the heart of man, what things God has prepared for those who love him
No one can say they love Jesus who is The Word if HIS Word is not their final authority.
No man can serve two masters.
And the words your pope spoke are his words and not God's Words.
They are his thoughts and not God's thought. It is his way and not God's Way.
"For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so My ways are higher than your ways and My thoughts higher than your thoughts."
When someone who is literally and explicitly anti-Christ and anti-Christian makes a post that explains how Jesus Christ, God from God, our Lord and Savior, is a fraud, the Usual Suspects don't comment on that article and defend Jesus Christ or Christianity. They just ignore the article that essentially portrays Jesus Christ as someone who was seen as a false prophet and therefore it's reasonable that he was killed for such blasphemy so Christians are just stooges who don't accept the facts about Jesus Christ.
When the Pope tells Mooze Lames to teach their children to respect other faiths, though, you can bet the Usual Suspects appear to slander the Pope, and sooner or later, all things Catholic including individual Catholics.
To any unbiased reader of the Religion Forum, such selective "defense" of Christ and Christianity proves that the crowd who love to attack Catholics don't do so because they care about Christ or Christianity. Were that the case, they would defend clear, direct, attacks on the deity of Jesus Christ by people who regularly state that they believe Jesus Christ was a fraud and not the Son of God who died for our sins. Instead, they make allies of such folks and welcome their help in attacking Catholics and the Catholic Church.
Clearly, they don't feel Christ and Christianity need defended from those who call Jesus Christ a fraud.
Which means such folks only "defend" Jesus Christ and Christianity from those like the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Jesus Christ Himself founded who proclaim, and have for nearly two thousand years proclaimed, that Jesus Christ, God from God, is our only Savior and only hope of Salvation.
Catechism of The Catholic Church Paragraph #571
The Paschal mystery of Christ's cross and Resurrection stands at the center of the Good News that the apostles, and the Church following them, are to proclaim to the world. God's saving plan was accomplished "once for all" by the redemptive death of His Son Jesus Christ.
As a Catholic, I will pay attention but reserve judgment as to his opinions on matters that are not dogmatic but I can do without this Kumbaya stuff. He needs to avoid direct interaction with the lame stream media. As Clint Eastwood (Dirty Harry) once said: A man has to know his limitations.
“When someone who is literally and explicitly anti-Christ and anti-Christian makes a post that explains how Jesus Christ, God from God, our Lord and Savior, is a fraud, the Usual Suspects don’t comment on that article and defend Jesus Christ or Christianity.”
A shame that you know so little of the scripture that you have to rely on the “usual suspects” to sort those kinds of people out. I never noticed that thread before, but I just responded to him and will engage the battle. Have fun sitting on the sidelines, I guess. Keep the seat warm.
Maybe Pope Francis knows that the American embassies have been told to close come tomorrow and for the rest of August to be put on a high alert notice.
Also he could be WARNING the Muslims to “clean up their house”, otherwise in the future they could be subjected to an angry violent backlash against them coming from the non-Muslims.
Ummm, Pope St. Pius V led Europe's Catholics in a rosary crusade imploring God's assistance in what wold become the Battle of Lepanto (10/7/1571). The Catholic navy was slightly outnumbered but had superior artillery/cannons on board many of its ships. The Catholic naval forces (the Holy League) under the command of Don Juan of Austria, sank 210 ships of about 240 of the Turkish Muslims' fleet which went to the bottom of the Mediterranean along with any Muslim pretense of using naval forces to facilitate conquering Christian Europe. The Church established October 7 as the Feast of Our Lady of the Rosary and also began devotions to Our Lady of Victory.
You are apparently not Catholic. Ours is certainly, even now, a free country and you are free to disagree or to scoff as are Catholics to believe.
See also the 9/11-9/12/1683 lifting of the Muslim Siege of Vienna by mostly Polish forces under King Jan Sobieski in which the Muslims were routed. Their commander, Kara Mustafa, was executed thereafter (by formal strangulation) at Belgrade (12/25/1683) as a result of his loss. The Muslims were so shamed that they attack Western Civilization with some regularity on 9/11 of various years. Nonetheless, the Muslims have never made another significant military attempt against Europe by land.
It may well be that allowing Muslim immigration into Europe to replace the children that so many Europeans have been too self-centered or lazy to bear in their advancing apostasy from all forms of Christianity may accomplish for Islam what the Muslim military never could.
Christians need to unite in the face of such challenges rather than continuing the endless intramural food fight over religious differences among us. Instead, let's concentrate on the 95% on which there is agreement, concede that Jesus Christ's flock would not and probably will not be as one, but serve Him in all things according to our own insights and faiths. It is also, as always, a wise strategy to keep our powder dry and to be ready militarily to help ourselves with His help.
The power of intercessory prayer and God's assistance had much to do with these military successes. Perhaps you are not a believer at all. If so, thank the military commanders: Don Juan of Austria and King Jan Sobieski for your good fortune in not being up speaking Arabic or being oppressed by "Sharia Law."
He could be doing, Pope Francis what St. Francis of Assisi did, St. Francis preached to the Muslims if my memory served me correct.
On the Undead Thread, we don't say we have to respect other beliefs. We say we respect the people who hold other beliefs, and address differences in belief politely or not at all.
Look for Christians from the “global south” nations to go to the west, the same west that sent missionaries to the global south to bring the good news of the Gospel of Jesus back to the west.
I like many things about this pope: his simplicity, refusal to be attended by servants, self-reliance, emphasis on Gospel messages favoring service to the poor, re-emphasis of the truths of Catholic doctrine, ratification of the investigative report as to the rebellious American orders of aged nuns, etc. We Catholics owe him obedience in all things moral.
Pope Francis is nonetheless a man and a sinner and capable of prudential mistakes. Some self-discipline in dealing with the press/media should be his New Year's resolution and he should actually consider practicing it immediately. None of us, not even the pope, are perfect or lack opportunities for self-improvement.
Additionally, for those (not you) who imagine him to be an "idiot," I would like to see how they would do in competition with a Jesuit such as Francis (an old school Jesuit not the modern heretical or anarchist sort) who had to have not one, not two but THREE doctorates (theology, philosophy and another substantive subject to teach) and a thorough understanding of St. Thomas Aquinas and scholasticism before being ordained as a Jebbie priest. He probably has higher academic credentials than any modern pope and possibly more than any other pope. Credentials do not guarantee prudential wisdom but they ought not be scoffed at either.
Finally, I agree with you that Pope Francis is preaching as St. Francis of Assisi did to Muslims and the world at large, as commanded by Jesus Christ. As a Jesuit prep school alumnus of the era when Pope Francis was preparing for his ordination, I do always suspect that he is far more sophisticated in his understandings and strategies than we are tempted to believe.
My favorite popes have been John Paul I, Blessed John Paul II and Pius XII. They were very different men who agreed on doctrine but had different styles of leadership and public personalities. When a conclave is held to elect a pope, we pray for the sort of man that we individually hope to be elected. God, however, in His Wisdom, sends us the man we need. It took me a very long time to accept Paul VI and John XXIII, imagining that somehow it was my business to sit in judgment on popes. I almost left the Church over them (for Eastern Orthodoxy which retains solemn liturgy and generally sound doctrine without the cultural revolution and horrors of the Kumbaya era of 1963 to 1978) but I stayed and was sooooo glad that I was Catholic when JP I and JP II were popes and thereafter. As to the Kumbaya era, what does not kill me, makes me strong!
God bless you and yours and the Archdiocese of Hartford in which I lived most of my life and the Diocese of Rockford which is now my home!
Holy Father, you are not dealing with a real religion in mohammedism.
That made absolutely no sense, but thanks for playing.
The Orthodox Christian communities in the old Ottoman empire always considered Russia to be their protector. It is still true today and Putin has not shunned this historic role.
“Pope Francis is nonetheless a man and a sinner and capable of prudential mistakes. Some self-discipline in dealing with the press/media should be his New Year’s resolution and he should actually consider practicing it immediately. None of us, not even the pope, are perfect or lack opportunities for self-improvement.”
That part of your commentary was the best one. ALL OF US, I included, is a sinner and NEEDS all the time to REPENT of our sins. That also includes Pope Francis as well. Our Lord demands no less.
Having said that; it is VERY IMPORTANT of Pope Francis to know and to be prepared for what I call “tricky questions” that could cause him to stumble. Sensing that what happened this week took place while he was in flight back from Brazil and from a very tiring trip to that country for both WYD and to see a major Marian shrine Pope Francis should have just rested and not do any interviews until back in Rome.
My all time favorite Pope is Blessed John Paul II. Glad he is going to be declared a saint.
Overall Pope Francis needs to use tact in his interviews.
Muslims and Christians must raise young people "to think and speak respectfully of other religions and their followers, and to avoid ridiculing or denigrating their convictions and practices", Pope Francis has said.No, Islam has to be destroyed, period.
And yet this Pope is saying we should respect the religions too.
I’m sure certain posters will come in here and show me just how he didn’t really say that.
It’s probably the media’s fault again.
Should I judge all baptists by the actions of the Westboro Baptist church? How about all calvinists by his treatment of Michael Servectus? Etc......
Note the words teachings and values!
He was speaking TO the muslims, them them that THEY must accept.......
Over the time I have been here, I have arrived that the majority of protestants lack the theological acumen, or intellectual depth to fully understand Catholic teaching.
Many of them want to be their own popes and maintain the most superficial of relationships with the Godhead.
Turning to mutual respect in inter-religious relations, especially between Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other, its teachings, its symbols, its values.
He was speaking to both Christians and Muslims.
Did the Lord tell Israel to respect the followers of Baal?
It was addressed to the muslims.
Doesn’t matter. He is saying that we are to respect the religion of the other.
Try reading with comprehension: he said “respect the religion of the other” implying reciprocity. Do you respect the teachings and values of Islam? Yes or No?
The Pope should read the first chapter of Lawrence Wright’s “The Looming Tower”, then get back to us.
I do not that’s for sure. It is a false religion.
Is this really a matter of prudential judgment or just another reflection of the false ecumenism (aka Kumbaya-ism) of Vatican II?
Blaspheme! There will be Fatwas calling for the infidel Pope's beheading at next Friday's sermons.
In a personal message to the worlds Muslims to mark the end of Ramadan, the Pope said: Turning to mutual respect in inter-religious relations, especially between Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other, its teachings, its symbols, its values.
As a fellow Catholic, I get your desire to defend the Pope, I do. I used to do it all of the time. I just can’t defend this. This is more false ecumenical crap.
I noticed you didnt defend Jesus Christ and Christianity on that thread either. I never even saw the thread till you posted it here, but you certainly did to have commented on it here. Hypocrisy much?
And what do you personally do to “mark the end of Ramadan”?
Muslims and Christians must raise young people to think and speak respectfully of other religions and their followers, and to avoid ridiculing or denigrating their convictions and practices, Pope Francis has said.
What part of and Christians do you not understand?
It is a matter of mistaken prudential judgment as was "ecumenism" generally and the Kumbaya nonsense for mental defectives and Bishops Trautman of Erie and Imesch of Joliet and the unlamented Bernardin and Law and McPhony.
Truly Magisterial statements are relatively rare. Embarrassing faulty prudential judgments happen frequently.
True "ecumenism" occurs when Russell Kirk became a Catholic late in life and Friedrich von Hayek and many Anglican clergy eager to swim the Tiber to flee some of the shenanigans in that denomination. It might also occur if Ted Kennedy had become a formal devil worshiper or other analogous developments.
In it she explains how she had her nuns read Vatican II thoroughly -- and what they found changed EWTN.
They found that Vatican II endorsed the Latin Mass -- so Mother changed her programming.
I do think that the US Bishops did not interpret it correctly, but went their own wayward way.
Thank you! Likewise, the image of prissy and hideously self-centered Euroweenies finding "motherhood viscerally distasteful and fatherhood just too difficult." Poor things! Imagine how much they will enjoy being ruled by the tender mercies of "Sharia Law" because they just could not be bothered with what they think of as being mere breeders when they sooooo prefer munching brie, guzzling chablis and ever striving for celebrity status like regular Kardashians without breaking a visible sweat!
Verga lives not far from you (somewhat rural Virginia, I believe) and if any of your many wonderful kids ever wishes to learn drafting, I believe he is the one to teach them.
As ever, may God bless you and Verga and all of yours respectively!
The last 50 years have often been unkind to the Church because of that "progressive" false flag operation blessed by their "father" below.
Mother Angelica is a magnificent servant of God.
May God bless you and yours and all the good work you do here and elsewhere!
Said Pope just failed what Jesus Christ told us to do, Take the Gospel to all the world!!! If he doing this, then he is not obeying the LORD!!!
Uh, wrong. Religion is man’s attempt to get to God. Christianity is a personal relationship with the LORD. Thus, anything else is a religion, whether they worship a rock, tree, false moo-ham-hoks, fat budda, or whatever else.
whose side are you are on
In 2000, the Hartford Archdiocese, despite having a full college campus of a seminary just west of the University of Hartford in Bloomfield had three seminarians total and probably none ready for ordination. JP II put a high premium on the recruitment of seminarians and promoted those bishops who were good at it. Just as our families need more children, our bishops need to recruit many more high quality candidates for the priesthood. I do pray that the next archbishop of Hartford will be a star in that respect and others.
To summarize: "Did not! Did too! Did not! Did too! Did not! Did too!..." (Rinse and repeat until those who refuse to bash fellow conservatives and Christians wander off in bored disgust). Accept the fact that His flock shall not be as one, that there is much good in Christian you and in those other Christians whom you see fit to bash and who may bash you back.
Concentrate on the 95% on which all Christians agree rather than that other 5%. Join together when we can do so with integrity. Depart from one another with integrity and mutual respect and a little sadness when we cannot so join. Pick no unnecessary fights. Serve Him in all things!
“Christians need to unite in the face of such challenges rather than continuing the endless intramural food fight over religious differences among us.”
Such a “unity” founded upon nothing at all except a name certainly cannot stand. The difference between those of us who believe in the sufficiency of God’s grace to save, and those of you who deny it, is a huge gap that cannot coexist. I would say that it is creates such a different effect on the heart of man, and is such a different world view, that it divides us into two separate religions entirely.
Gospel purity, and the true worship of Christ, is of higher importance than a farcical unity against a common enemy. When it comes down to it, it is God who is actually in charge, who raises up some nations and brings down others. There is nothing man can do that can resist the will of God, and nothing we can do to get anything of ourselves. “... what hast thou that thou didst not receive?” (1 Co 4:7). To say that we must unite in order to defeat Islam, instead of asserting that it is God who controls our fates and can defeat Islam with just an army of 300, like in Gideon’s day, is to deny the providence and almighty power of God.
As for me, I will prefer to keep what I know to be true, and not be unequally yoked with those who deny the essential truths of Christianity. Compromise is a terrible sin.
Remember that Jesus prayed for the unity of all who believe in HIM.